Jimmy
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Post by Jimmy on Apr 1, 2012 22:34:15 GMT -5
Its amazing how much that one moment deflated me. I was SO pumped for the show, then bam, 1-2-3, and I went from a total high to being more angry at a wrestling show than ive been in AGES. I didnt get back into it until halfway through HHH/Taker. Same. I was really looking forward to Bryan vs. Sheamus in particular on the show, and then they hit me with that.
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Apr 1, 2012 22:34:26 GMT -5
Tonight Sheamus has officially taken the title of "Superman of the WWE" away from John Cena.
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Post by Shaun2k5 on Apr 1, 2012 22:35:54 GMT -5
You know when you spend weeks telling a story, only for the last page to have a picture of a middle finger extended to the reader. That's EXACTLY what this was.
You can say that Sheamus was destined for this but the fact is that Bryan didn't deserve to be shafted like this. His fans didn't need to pay $60 to see their champion get pushed over in a 16 second squash match. It's poor showing. Simple as. And fans can feel like it ruined Wrestlemania because it probably did for a number of people. It's not fair and put a huge cloud over the entire show.
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Ryanar
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Post by Ryanar on Apr 1, 2012 22:37:10 GMT -5
I dont see how this build didnt deserve a 10 minute match, It was a normal build to a match. They didn't need Sheamus to call Daniel Bryans dad a Carnivore, or his Sister a Milklover. It didn't need a Bagpipes band for Sheamus to perform Queen at the end of an episode of Smackdown. And its not like its Great Khali vs Mark Henry. You have Two Great performers, one of which is regarded as the True Best Wrestler in the World, and thats the match they deserve? No, its unacceptable, and undefendable.
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Post by Big Kahuna Burger on Apr 1, 2012 22:37:20 GMT -5
The problem was that Sheamus/Bryan as feud did nothing to earn that ending. If Bryan had a few more months as champ, becoming more and more of an outright asshole, with Sheamus being screwed over multiple times to the point where fans are begging for him finally get his shot, then such a quick and definitive match would have been cathartic. That felt like Batman defeating Joker at the end of the first act. It doesn't feel satisfying and the overall feeling is just "huh"? Wow, a gif of the entire match. You don't see that very often. I feel bad for D-Bry.
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Post by gonzo16 on Apr 1, 2012 22:37:50 GMT -5
All I know is I was hyped watching Bryan come down to the ring and a good part of the crowd shouting "YES" in unison for him during the introductions.....then 10 seconds later the guy is laying down in the ring for the 3 count.
It felt like a slap in the face, and is a shitty way to treat Bryan after all the fantastic work he's been putting in for them.
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Objection!
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Post by Objection! on Apr 1, 2012 22:38:27 GMT -5
The problem for your guy Sheamus is that nobody will ever even remember that it was him who squashed Bryan in 5 seconds. All people will remember is Bryan getting squashed. This match was detrimental for all parties involved. Nope, not true at all. I am sure he, I, others and millions of Irish people will remember that Sheamus squashed a litter weasel of a champion at WM. I'll definitely remember it. I loved the match, it produced a very memorable moment and I say that as a fan of both Sheamus and Bryan. People need to realise it fit the situation. Sure we'd all love a 5 star match from these two, but it wasn't their time. They're young guys on the way up. Their time in the spotlight will come.
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Bobeddy
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Post by Bobeddy on Apr 1, 2012 22:39:32 GMT -5
The problem for your guy Sheamus is that nobody will ever even remember that it was him who squashed Bryan in 5 seconds. All people will remember is Bryan getting squashed. This match was detrimental for all parties involved. Nope, not true at all. I am sure he, I, others and millions of Irish people will remember that Sheamus squashed a litter weasel of a champion at WM. Yeah, I think you'd be hard pushed to find half a million wrestling fans in Ireland. I fully expected Sheamus to win but the way that match went down I felt absolutely insulted and it really put a damper on the entire show for me. Things didn't pick up until the Cell match. Despite there being 3 engaging, high quality matches this is probably the Mania I enjoyed the least in quite some time. This is how starting off on a bad foot can taint the later parts of the show.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 1, 2012 22:39:34 GMT -5
The problem was that Sheamus/Bryan as feud did nothing to earn that ending. If Bryan had a few more months as champ, becoming more and more of an outright asshole, with Sheamus being screwed over multiple times to the point where fans are begging for him finally get his shot, then such a quick and definitive match would have been cathartic. That felt like Batman defeating Joker at the end of the first act. It doesn't feel satisfying and the overall feeling is just "huh"? You can fit the ENTIRE MATCH into an animated GIF. That should tell you what's wrong with it right there.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Apr 1, 2012 22:41:17 GMT -5
"huh"? Tremendous. DB: "Yeah, I'm so getting some later tonight. *Turns around* Alright, let's do this fe..." BAM! Bitch move Sheamus. Bitch move.
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sarun
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Post by sarun on Apr 1, 2012 22:41:40 GMT -5
Nope, not true at all. I am sure he, I, others and millions of Irish people will remember that Sheamus squashed a litter weasel of a champion at WM. I'll definitely remember it. I loved the match, it produced a very memorable moment and I say that as a fan of both Sheamus and Bryan. People need to realise it fit the situation. Sure we'd all love a 5 star match from these two, but it wasn't their time. They're young guys on the way up. Their time in the spotlight will come. Still feel WM is not a place for matches like these to happen.
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nate5054
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Post by nate5054 on Apr 1, 2012 22:41:51 GMT -5
Bryan losing didn't bother me. Heck, even a "great" match didn't bother me. What bothered me was the total disrespect in having lose in less than a half minute.
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Krimzon
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Post by Krimzon on Apr 1, 2012 22:41:58 GMT -5
I hope they realized how badly they f***ed up when the crowd was chanting for Bryan long after he went to the back and during 2 other matches he wasn't even involved in. It's never a good thing when your fans rebel like that.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Apr 1, 2012 22:42:26 GMT -5
I'll definitely remember it. I loved the match, it produced a very memorable moment and I say that as a fan of both Sheamus and Bryan. People need to realise it fit the situation. Sure we'd all love a 5 star match from these two, but it wasn't their time. They're young guys on the way up. Their time in the spotlight will come. Still feel WM is not a place for matches like these to happen. Yep. WM is for paying off angles, not bullshit squash matches.
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stealthamo
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Post by stealthamo on Apr 1, 2012 23:03:00 GMT -5
Nope, not true at all. I am sure he, I, others and millions of Irish people will remember that Sheamus squashed a litter weasel of a champion at WM. I'll definitely remember it. I loved the match, it produced a very memorable moment and I say that as a fan of both Sheamus and Bryan. People need to realise it fit the situation. Sure we'd all love a 5 star match from these two, but it wasn't their time. They're young guys on the way up. Their time in the spotlight will come. Again, I can understand the match being carried out the way it was. But you don't do it to start off the show. It brought the crowd down significantly. There have been squash matches for titles before at WM, but (a) they weren't for any major titles (no, the ECW title is not major), and (b) they didn't start off the show. That's where they went wrong with this, IMO.
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r.
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Post by r. on Apr 1, 2012 23:03:25 GMT -5
My issue was I knew going in Bryan was losing due to the terrible booking leading up to the event, That in mind I was OK with that finish, I would at least get a 15 minute or so solid match, But 15 seconds? And he deserved it? It's polarizing fans like the OP that make me hate this sport/entertainment.
That isn't a slight against you BTW, It's a commentary on your general ideals, That because Bryan is who he is, That because he is a solid wrestler he deserves what he got simply because it's against someone you like? No.
Wrestlemania is our yearly awaited mega event, We have come to expect excellence at this point, The best performances by the best in the business, That's why we shell out the cash, That's why through all the bitching, trolling and complaining we still love this stuff...
Wrestlemania is what makes it all the agony and enjoyment worth it and to see not just the WHC treated that way, A title which was the catalyst for many a great feud but a wrestler, A guy like all the others hoping to have that mania moment get squashed in hat manner is unforgivable in my eyes.
I ask you this, Tomorrow night on raw, Sheamus jobs to Daniel in 12 seconds to the lebell lock, Should I start a thread saying I was mad because sheamus didn't job out quicker and he deserves it?
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The Sam
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Post by The Sam on Apr 1, 2012 23:06:07 GMT -5
Just an awful match. It made Bryan look bad. It made Sheamus look bad. It devalued the title. It killed the crowd. No one and nothing looked good coming out of it.
And the argument that "well, at least he got a big cheque" isn't a valid point. If Sheamus and Bryan were given the time and had a great match, then they would of made more money over a longer period of time. Hulk Hogan and Steve Austin and The Rock didn't make millions of dollars in 1 night, they made millions over the years. It's short sighted to think otherwise. Who would want to watch Sheamus or Bryan now? Are you willing to pay another $60+ to see them possibly do that again? I know I'm not.
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Post by juvijuiceisloose on Apr 1, 2012 23:07:25 GMT -5
The jacked up part about Daniel Bryan losing in 18 seconds is they let a lot of bullshit go on for WAY too long!
What was the point of that Fishing segment?
The Diva's match went too long and should've been cut in half.
The 6 on 6 match probably could've been cut short by a few minutes.
The Funkasaurus segment could've been cut in half.
And that GOD AWFUL concert from Flo Rida and MGK should've been cut all together.
So, pretty much if you subtracted all the bullshit, that would probably leave about 10 minutes for DB and Sheamus to do their thing.
But, the WWE wound up f***ing themselves because the name that was getting chanted for an hour afterward was Daniel Bryan.
Not Randy Orton, Not Big Show, Not Kelly Kelly, or Maria Menounos... Daniel f***ing Bryan!
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BigWill
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Post by BigWill on Apr 1, 2012 23:08:31 GMT -5
Nope, not true at all. I am sure he, I, others and millions of Irish people will remember that Sheamus squashed a litter weasel of a champion at WM. I'll definitely remember it. I loved the match, it produced a very memorable moment and I say that as a fan of both Sheamus and Bryan. People need to realise it fit the situation. Sure we'd all love a 5 star match from these two, but it wasn't their time. They're young guys on the way up. Their time in the spotlight will come. People said the same thing last year when they got bumped off the card completely. How much longer are people suppose to wait for "their time"? And no, the match didn't fit the situation. Daniel Bryan losing after a hard fought battle would have been good enough. He has had competitive matches with Big Show, Mark Henry, CM Punk, and Randy Orton, but he gets squashed in 18 seconds by Sheamus? Come on. That wasn't the WWE trying to give people a memorable moment. It was just a way to stick it to Bryan fans.
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Bub (BLM)
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Apr 1, 2012 23:09:31 GMT -5
Another thing to me is that I'd think Sheamus fans would be upset, too. Yeah, he won, but he too was shortchanged out of having a WrestleMania match. Think about him having a grueling wrestling match and then picking up the win and the title. That means something. Tonight didn't do anything but possibly put him on the same path with the fans that Cena was on in 2005.
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