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Post by The Ichi on Aug 27, 2011 17:01:23 GMT -5
Yes. I´m sorry but it absolutely deserves to.
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Post by alliedbiscuit on Aug 27, 2011 17:02:55 GMT -5
Only if it dies because ROH kills it. Then yes. Otherwise they can stick around.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 17:13:03 GMT -5
Only if it dies because ROH kills it. Then yes. Otherwise they can stick around. If a miracle occured and ROH somehow found secure funding and became as famous as TNA in the next year then this. I would love to see some talent utilised better in WWE/ROH or even in Japan and Mexico, as much as I try to enjoy Impact and PPVs the wrestlers just don't seem to matter no matter how great they are technically (AJ Styles) or their former name value (Jeff Hardy) meant. Above all I'd love to see TNA/Impact get their act together in forming a great program which didn't keep flip flopping around direction wise with the wrestlers and cut down on the damned gimmick match usage.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Aug 27, 2011 17:17:17 GMT -5
I think wanting it to die and go away is bad, but I'm trying to consider the rammifications if it were to. Recently I haven't really been watching much of it, sometimes on youtube, I fast forward through most of it, and checked out spoilers recently.
A lot of talent wouldn't really be out of work in general, because TNA is an indy promotion, with the bigger stars paid by Spike it seems. So if TNA goes belly up, then it's just simply a place where some talent don't have to go.
WWE would pick up guys like Angle, AJ Styles, Beer Money, Matt Morgan, Samoa Joe and maybe Bully Ray and Devon. Hogan, Flair and Sting will do the convention circuit and everyone else would either get picked up by ROH or go across different indy promotions, Japan, Mexico, or whatever.
As much as they are bad with pay, it's still a place to go and get paid to be a pro wrestler, so that's one reason I wouldn't want it to die off. It's basically a boat stranded in the ocean. It's not a very good place, but it's still a local indy.
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Post by r. on Aug 27, 2011 17:21:06 GMT -5
No, There are elements that are better,equal and worse then WWE, Isn't there a huge do not bash TNA sticky in this forum, right at the top?
I'd think wishing the entire company die would qualify for that.
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Post by dlg3000 on Aug 27, 2011 17:31:50 GMT -5
I always wish TNA would "improve" but since the Hogan era, it is bad! I don't want it to die per se, but I agree that it needs a lot of improvement. It is still entertaining, but I have seen better, much better from them.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 17:34:53 GMT -5
Honest answer: Sometimes, due to many of the same reasons the op mentioned.
However, most of the time I wish they would just get their act together. They have an amazing roster, match types WWE doesn't have, a ppv concept WWE doesn't have, and a lot of money. There is no reason why it shouldn't be a quality show most of the time.
A big problem I think, is not listening to the fans. The people want AJ and Joe as their guys, but instead we get Crimson and Gunner. Fans are sick of dominant heel stables, so then the form Immortal. Fans complain that people turn face/heel too much that they can't get behind anyone and root for them, yet they continue to do this. When people praise the shows during certain periods like 2006 or late 2009, they change gears instead of sticking to a formula that has people talking to their friends and other fans about how great the shows are. Just recently people were praising Destination X, and were excited about the X Division again. But now, just under two months later, they are back to one segment per show.
Listen to what your fanbase wants, and give it to them, or at least give them enough to keep them happy and wanting more. If they did this they would probably start to grow as a company, and people wouldn't be wishing that they would go out of business so that they could see their favorite wrestlers booked in a better fashion elsewhere.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 27, 2011 17:59:57 GMT -5
Honest answer: Sometimes, due to many of the same reasons the op mentioned. However, most of the time I wish they would just get their act together. They have an amazing roster, match types WWE doesn't have, a ppv concept WWE doesn't have, and a lot of money. There is no reason why it shouldn't be a quality show most of the time. A big problem I think, is not listening to the fans. The people want AJ and Joe as their guys, but instead we get Crimson and Gunner. Fans are sick of dominant heel stables, so then the form Immortal. Fans complain that people turn face/heel too much that they can't get behind anyone and root for them, yet they continue to do this. When people praise the shows during certain periods like 2006 or late 2009, they change gears instead of sticking to a formula that has people talking to their friends and other fans about how great the shows are. Just recently people were praising Destination X, and were excited about the X Division again. But now, just under two months later, they are back to one segment per show. Listen to what your fanbase wants, and give it to them, or at least give them enough to keep them happy and wanting more. If they did this they would probably start to grow as a company, and people wouldn't be wishing that they would go out of business so that they could see their favorite wrestlers booked in a better fashion elsewhere. Which fanbase? The bigger group that watches, or the smaller pool that don't? Yes, I understand the idea that the idea to grow is to change that, but the level some people want TNA would never be possible, and especially not worth it, cause it will never stick. you can't stop people from bitching, you just can't. Plus, asking for Joe and AJ is not new, it's just another attempt at something they did that you wanted to see again. That is not new. Besides, while Joe is understood, AJ's had every single belt at least twice, and others more than 4 times. What the hell else can he do that would be any damn different? Put him in a skirt, jam two melons under his shirt and go for the Knockouts, cause that's all I can think of here. Also, really seems dumb that, other promotions push some people over others, it's just something you don't like, but deal with. TNA does the same thing, and they deserve to DIIIIIEEEEE!!!!
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Post by Mozenrath on Aug 27, 2011 18:01:32 GMT -5
I don't want TNA/IW to die, exactly, but I want them to experience a rebirth and root out the cavities in the mouth of the promotion. As is, it just could be capable of a lot more.
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Post by wcw on Aug 27, 2011 18:06:14 GMT -5
The most common defense I hear of TNA is that if it died, the evil Vince McMahon would have complete dominance of professional wrestling and we have to fight the power. Looking at the incompetence in the front office as well as the blatant allowance of drug abuse until it's far too late to do anything about it (the Hardys), not to mention the utter disregard for their talent (Konnan, Daffney), the wrestling world would be a lot better off if it did die. Then whatever promotion emerged from the ashes would HOPEFULLY have learned from the mistakes. The thing is that there are a lot of fans like myself that feel like while if TNA were to only exist in its current state of crap then yeah it should just die. However things change and TNA always stands the chance to improve its self. I always hold out hope that Dixie Carter will either get a clue OR that Spike TV or someone else would come out and buy TNA and do the right things. IF TNA disappeared I don't think we would see ROH elevate that much unless they got a big finical backer. I also don't think we would see a new wrestling company pop up to replace TNA either. Unless Ted Turner decided to get back into the business I doubt we would see a promotion on the level of TNA anytime soon (National Television exposure and things of the like).
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Post by Cyno on Aug 27, 2011 18:06:17 GMT -5
Absolutely not. As much as a lot of TNA's product confuses me, they need to exist. In fact I want them to have an even larger presence than they currently do. Competition is good for everyone involved, even if it isn't particularly strong competition. WWE having a wrestling monopoly again would be terrible. It also forces the federations themselves to provide better incentives to join their company. I think if TNAIW was a much more financially successful company (enough that a WWE higher level guy would willingly join without viewing it as a major downgrade) and started offering their workers, say, health insurance, it would put WWE into a situation to do the same for their guys.
If anything I want ROH to get to Impact Wrestling's level so there's three strong federations that can give wrestlers even more options for widespread national exposure.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 18:06:32 GMT -5
Oddly I don't think it's even listening to the general fanbase of TNA (whoever that is, I'm not sure we're representative of the majority TNA fanbase) it's the fact that the guys running the company don't seem sure with who to push continually aside from Sting/Anlge/some others on the main event level, and on other levels guys are flip flopping from face to heel on a bi-monhtly basis.
The bookers need to form an aim for a years time and construct a booking plan instead of (seemingly) panicking whenever they think an idea isn't working out. You need to take the good with the bad, but you need an aim. Impact as a company doesn't possess that from my view. Just my opinion as I do want them to succeed on a higher level desperately.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 18:17:27 GMT -5
Honest answer: Sometimes, due to many of the same reasons the op mentioned. However, most of the time I wish they would just get their act together. They have an amazing roster, match types WWE doesn't have, a ppv concept WWE doesn't have, and a lot of money. There is no reason why it shouldn't be a quality show most of the time. A big problem I think, is not listening to the fans. The people want AJ and Joe as their guys, but instead we get Crimson and Gunner. Fans are sick of dominant heel stables, so then the form Immortal. Fans complain that people turn face/heel too much that they can't get behind anyone and root for them, yet they continue to do this. When people praise the shows during certain periods like 2006 or late 2009, they change gears instead of sticking to a formula that has people talking to their friends and other fans about how great the shows are. Just recently people were praising Destination X, and were excited about the X Division again. But now, just under two months later, they are back to one segment per show. Listen to what your fanbase wants, and give it to them, or at least give them enough to keep them happy and wanting more. If they did this they would probably start to grow as a company, and people wouldn't be wishing that they would go out of business so that they could see their favorite wrestlers booked in a better fashion elsewhere. Which fanbase? The bigger group that watches, or the smaller pool that don't? Yes, I understand the idea that the idea to grow is to change that, but the level some people want TNA would never be possible, and especially not worth it, cause it will never stick. you can't stop people from bitching, you just can't. Plus, asking for Joe and AJ is not new, it's just another attempt at something they did that you wanted to see again. That is not new. Besides, while Joe is understood, AJ's had every single belt at least twice, and others more than 4 times. What the hell else can he do that would be any damn different? Put him in a skirt, jam two melons under his shirt and go for the Knockouts, cause that's all I can think of here. Also, really seems dumb that, other promotions push some people over others, it's just something you don't like, but deal with. TNA does the same thing, and they deserve to DIIIIIEEEEE!!!! The difference is that yes, while AJ has been champ, he has never been the guy the company was built around. It's like saying Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger have been top guys already because they are former champs. And I'm not just speaking from my own personal desires, I'm talking about what I hear and read most fans say. Obviously, promotions are going to push people that you don't like. But when fans chant Joe's name during his matches (something they don't do for everyone) that should tell the promotion that this is a guy that the fans want to get behind, and would probably pay money to see in main events. However, I do agree with your points that people will always bitch and complain no matter what. I also agree that even if they did everything right, they would probably not suddenly be on WWE's level.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 27, 2011 18:31:37 GMT -5
Which fanbase? The bigger group that watches, or the smaller pool that don't? Yes, I understand the idea that the idea to grow is to change that, but the level some people want TNA would never be possible, and especially not worth it, cause it will never stick. you can't stop people from bitching, you just can't. Plus, asking for Joe and AJ is not new, it's just another attempt at something they did that you wanted to see again. That is not new. Besides, while Joe is understood, AJ's had every single belt at least twice, and others more than 4 times. What the hell else can he do that would be any damn different? Put him in a skirt, jam two melons under his shirt and go for the Knockouts, cause that's all I can think of here. Also, really seems dumb that, other promotions push some people over others, it's just something you don't like, but deal with. TNA does the same thing, and they deserve to DIIIIIEEEEE!!!! The difference is that yes, while AJ has been champ, he has never been the guy the company was built around. It's like saying Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger have been top guys already because they are former champs. And I'm not just speaking from my own personal desires, I'm talking about what I hear and read most fans say. Obviously, promotions are going to push people that you don't like. But when fans chant Joe's name during his matches (something they don't do for everyone) that should tell the promotion that this is a guy that the fans want to get behind, and would probably pay money to see in main events. However, I do agree with your points that people will always bitch and complain no matter what. I also agree that even if they did everything right, they would probably not suddenly be on WWE's level. Ziggler and Swagger had 1 world title run, and Dolph's shouldn't count, honestly. AJ has 17 championship wins in TNA. He's the first Triple Crown winner, the only Grand Slam champ. The man is ingrained into TNA viewers heads as "Mr. TNA". I think he's even work more matches in TNA than anyone else. At this point, he's more in the HBK role. I also go again how TNA hasn't had AJ built him, cause he built the X-Division, he was built up by TNA as the vanquisher of Jeff Jarrett during his reign of terror TWICE, was one of the main faces during the angle with the Mafia, then the leader of Fortune. If his ass isn't cemented at this point, anything short of putting a gold statue of AJ in the front of the Zone, Rocky III style won't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 27, 2011 18:40:57 GMT -5
The difference is that yes, while AJ has been champ, he has never been the guy the company was built around. It's like saying Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger have been top guys already because they are former champs. And I'm not just speaking from my own personal desires, I'm talking about what I hear and read most fans say. Obviously, promotions are going to push people that you don't like. But when fans chant Joe's name during his matches (something they don't do for everyone) that should tell the promotion that this is a guy that the fans want to get behind, and would probably pay money to see in main events. However, I do agree with your points that people will always bitch and complain no matter what. I also agree that even if they did everything right, they would probably not suddenly be on WWE's level. Ziggler and Swagger had 1 world title run, and Dolph's shouldn't count, honestly. AJ has 17 championship wins in TNA. He's the first Triple Crown winner, the only Grand Slam champ. The man is ingrained into TNA viewers heads as "Mr. TNA". I think he's even work more matches in TNA than anyone else. At this point, he's more in the HBK role. I also go again how TNA hasn't had AJ built him, cause he built the X-Division, he was built up by TNA as the vanquisher of Jeff Jarrett during his reign of terror TWICE, was one of the main faces during the angle with the Mafia, then the leader of Fortune. If his ass isn't cemented at this point, anything short of putting a gold statue of AJ in the front of the Zone, Rocky III style won't do it. Not arguing your point, but figured I should point out Abyss has been a Grand Slam champion as well.
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Post by Krimzon on Aug 27, 2011 18:43:58 GMT -5
I don't want TNA to die. I remember what they used to be and I badly want them to go back to why we loved it in the first place.
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Post by kyromax on Aug 27, 2011 18:47:17 GMT -5
No, TNA is an alternative, the last time the wrestling business went with just ONE big company, it sucked.
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Post by Dean-o on Aug 27, 2011 18:53:07 GMT -5
No.
Think about all the lost jobs. The TNA tape library is 100% WORTHLESS. The WWE couldn't do jack with it.
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Post by Krimzon on Aug 27, 2011 19:02:24 GMT -5
No. Think about all the lost jobs. The TNA tape library is 100% WORTHLESS. The WWE couldn't do jack with it. Except get Christian's matches, Kurt Angle's matches, Sting's matches, R-Truth's matches, the Hardys' matches (& "Self-Destruction" fuel), Steiner's matches (and reunion with Rick), Booker T & Nash's matches...Hogan's involvement, Bischoff's involvement, the nWo redux redux, more Jarrett & Russo shenanigans, Muta's cameo, Heenan's appearance, the "celebrity" involvement, the matches of guy's they'd be looking to bring over like Beer Money, AJ Styles, Samoa Joe, Matt Morgan, etc., and possibly the matches featuring their new Ultimate X match type. The TNA tape library has a lot of value to the WWE, especially considering most of it features former WWE stars.
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Post by Celgress on Aug 27, 2011 19:03:34 GMT -5
No, I remember how bad wrestling was with only one true national promotion between 2001 and 2005.
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