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Post by bathory on Aug 29, 2011 11:29:06 GMT -5
Wouldn't wish it to die. TNA maybe be the most horrible mainstream wrestling company in history, but at least they have some upsides to them. For starters, the roster. If TNA fired Russo and got some new talented writer aswell as a rational booker, chances are TNA would be pretty awesome. Based on that very simple fact alone there is no need to ever wish dead to TNA from a creative standpoint. Let's face it, if guys like AJ, Joe, Morgan, Roode and Magnus among others would get booked and pushed well TNA would have a totally different standing towards the IWC, including me.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 29, 2011 11:32:16 GMT -5
Wouldn't wish it to die. TNA maybe be the most horrible mainstream wrestling company in history, but at least they have some upsides to them. For starters, the roster. If TNA fired Russo and got some new talented writer aswell as a rational booker, chances are TNA would be pretty awesome. Based on that very simple fact alone there is no need to ever wish dead to TNA from a creative standpoint. Let's face it, if guys like AJ, Joe, Morgan, Roode and Magnus among others would get booked and pushed well TNA would have a totally different standing towards the IWC, including me. All of the things you've said, people have been hoping and waiting for TNA to do since 2007 and it hasn't happen. It's not going to happen. And that is why people would say yes to this. Dixie Carter has said that she won't fire Vince Russo. When a company is not just bad, but defiantly bad and unwilling to change, is wishing them out of existence any less logical than continuing to watch bad product time after time?
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 29, 2011 11:37:51 GMT -5
Wouldn't wish it to die. TNA maybe be the most horrible mainstream wrestling company in history, but at least they have some upsides to them. For starters, the roster. If TNA fired Russo and got some new talented writer aswell as a rational booker, chances are TNA would be pretty awesome. Based on that very simple fact alone there is no need to ever wish dead to TNA from a creative standpoint. Let's face it, if guys like AJ, Joe, Morgan, Roode and Magnus among others would get booked and pushed well TNA would have a totally different standing towards the IWC, including me. All of the things you've said, people have been hoping and waiting for TNA to do since 2007 and it hasn't happen. It's not going to happen. And that is why people would say yes to this. Dixie Carter has said that she won't fire Vince Russo. When a company is not just bad, but defiantly bad and unwilling to change, is wishing them out of existence any less logical than continuing to watch bad product time after time? Except it's not bad. Really, the same thing happens each time they tape. Spoilers come out, everyone looks and posts cornette faces, bitches how is the worst thing they read, then the actually episodes air, with the usual motley crew doing riffing on everything, but the general consensus seems to always be "Yeah, It was ok/pretty good...." Plus, the problem isn't resistant to change, but too much change.
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Aug 29, 2011 12:09:15 GMT -5
Except it's not bad. Really, the same thing happens each time they tape. Spoilers come out, everyone looks and posts cornette faces, bitches how is the worst thing they read, then the actually episodes air, with the usual motley crew doing riffing on everything, but the general consensus seems to always be "Yeah, It was ok/pretty good...." Plus, the problem isn't resistant to change, but too much change. Than I'm in the hyper-small minority that actually took the "don't like it,don't watch it" to heart. Earlier last year I stopped watching TNA. It was some time in January, because I got to the point where I'd rather they not be around anymore than to keep watching because I did think nearly everything was bad. So, enough is enough. At least for me.
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Post by Urfarkendarf on Aug 29, 2011 12:12:09 GMT -5
I don't think its death is something I can legitimately say I want to see happen. It does suck, but it is the genre represented on TV on a national scale that isn't WWE. It also gives a lot of guys some exposure they wouldnt get in the WWE, even if they dont get paid diddley.
TNA can get better, but IMO they will never until the WCW-style old star hiring practices and Dixie Carter are excised from the company.
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Post by Protest the Chris Hero on Aug 29, 2011 12:18:07 GMT -5
They way it's run and produced each week tells me it's better off being cancelled. TNAIMPACT is just taking money are flushing it away anyways, so why waste people's time, most of who make fun of it (I know NO ONE who watches IMPACT and doesn't trash on it)....Sure it's like watching a trainwreck but I'm ready for something that actually wants to be on tv and deliver a must see product
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Post by alabastergrim on Aug 29, 2011 13:08:47 GMT -5
But you're acting like TNA being on TV is keeping a "better" wrestling company off TV. It's not. If TNA is gone, do you really think Spike is going to take another chance on wrestling? Of course not.
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Post by Sektor on Aug 29, 2011 13:36:46 GMT -5
But you're acting like TNA being on TV is keeping a "better" wrestling company off TV. It's not. If TNA is gone, do you really think Spike is going to take another chance on wrestling? Of course not. Why does everyone say that? It doesn't take someone with an eye for wrestling to see whats wrong with IW. There's no structural leadership, you got freaking cliques going in upper management and no one communicates with each other. Its a perfect example of how NOT to manage a company. WWE is too big of an example that wrestling draws money for Spike to just say "Well, the poorly managed promotion failed, wrestling must not be worth it!". And I believe that if Spike were to actually look hard and realize that these problems aren't going away, and drop IW, then they would be willing to pick up another company. RoH would fit in perfectly there: it's man oriented, but not because of blatant sexism or any of the crap on Manswers. *Maximum Rant Disengaged*
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 29, 2011 15:07:16 GMT -5
Why does everyone say that? It doesn't take someone with an eye for wrestling to see whats wrong with IW. There's no structural leadership, you got freaking cliques going in upper management and no one communicates with each other. Its a perfect example of how NOT to manage a company. WWE is too big of an example that wrestling draws money for Spike to just say "Well, the poorly managed promotion failed, wrestling must not be worth it!". And I believe that if Spike were to actually look hard and realize that these problems aren't going away, and drop IW, then they would be willing to pick up another company. RoH would fit in perfectly there: it's man oriented, but not because of blatant sexism or any of the crap on Manswers. *Maximum Rant Disengaged* ROH is owned by a rival TV company, that's not going to happen. To replace TNA, Spike would have to find a wrestling company who've proven they could reliably produce hours of TV a week on time, with decent production values, featuring big name workers to lure in the casual fans. How many companies out there are set up to do that or have the financial backing to get there? Spike would have to invest heavily to get another fed to that level and it would take months to do so, to get talent signed and so on and so forth. I can't see Spike helping to build another company yo that level when they can fill the air with reruns or reality TV without the hassle.
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on Aug 29, 2011 17:14:12 GMT -5
All of the things you've said, people have been hoping and waiting for TNA to do since 2007 and it hasn't happen. It's not going to happen. And that is why people would say yes to this. Dixie Carter has said that she won't fire Vince Russo. When a company is not just bad, but defiantly bad and unwilling to change, is wishing them out of existence any less logical than continuing to watch bad product time after time? Except it's not bad. Really, the same thing happens each time they tape. Spoilers come out, everyone looks and posts cornette faces, bitches how is the worst thing they read, then the actually episodes air, with the usual motley crew doing riffing on everything, but the general consensus seems to always be "Yeah, It was ok/pretty good...." Plus, the problem isn't resistant to change, but too much change. I actually avoid the spoilers (unless I know I won't be able to watch), and I think Impact is pretty doggone atrocious. You might get one or two decent matches, but with that comes a bunch of horrible matches and horrific angles. It's not just people that dismiss the spoilers, but people actually watch the show and *gasp* don't find it entertaining. I said earlier I would rather TNA die if another company would employ all the talented people that work there (and pay them fairly, if the rumors of payment/treatment from TNA management are to be believed), but if TNA showed any signs of wanting to be better, I wouldn't be as tough on the company. The fact of the matter is they have the best roster in the world today. A roster that is being wasted on stupid television. TNA would need a total upheaval of management and creative in order to truly grow their fanbase, and to further invigorate it's current one. It's not just Russo and it's not just Dixie, it's the whole thing. It would take a new wave of people who understand the wrestling business, see the potential in the incredible roster, and be able to effectively book these guys in situations and matches that don't have the live crowds in deep slumber, and their other fans complaining about how bad the show is every week.
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Post by Slingshot Suplay on Aug 29, 2011 18:15:32 GMT -5
Except it's not bad. Really, the same thing happens each time they tape. Spoilers come out, everyone looks and posts cornette faces, bitches how is the worst thing they read, then the actually episodes air, with the usual motley crew doing riffing on everything, but the general consensus seems to always be "Yeah, It was ok/pretty good...." Plus, the problem isn't resistant to change, but too much change. I actually avoid the spoilers (unless I know I won't be able to watch), and I think Impact is pretty doggone atrocious. You might get one or two decent matches, but with that comes a bunch of horrible matches and horrific angles. It's not just people that dismiss the spoilers, but people actually watch the show and *gasp* don't find it entertaining. I said earlier I would rather TNA die if another company would employ all the talented people that work there (and pay them fairly, if the rumors of payment/treatment from TNA management are to be believed), but if TNA showed any signs of wanting to be better, I wouldn't be as tough on the company. The fact of the matter is they have the best roster in the world today. A roster that is being wasted on stupid television. TNA would need a total upheaval of management and creative in order to truly grow their fanbase, and to further invigorate it's current one. It's not just Russo and it's not just Dixie, it's the whole thing. It would take a new wave of people who understand the wrestling business, see the potential in the incredible roster, and be able to effectively book these guys in situations and matches that don't have the live crowds in deep slumber, and their other fans complaining about how bad the show is every week. I disagree about a few points. TNa has had some really good matches since the BFG series has started, but alot of people complained because D'von was getting wins, Joe had none, and Gunner and Crimson were at the top. The X-Division has been given a shot in the arm, but there's complaints because Lethal and Gen Me are gone. The knockouts are more watchable as of late, but the complaint is usually about Velvet winning. I do think the world title scene needs repair (I hate that alot of title matches end with interference), and hopefully that will get better after the BFG series is over. So while yes, some people may not be entertained by the program in general, there are others who hate it because their favorites aren't in the spotlight. I also see TNA growing as a company and trying to improve the show by taking it on the road and advertising more than they have before. This is the same company who embraced technology in order to grow their brand through their youtube channel, twitter and facebook. Now they get commercials during RAW and some billboards. They also seem to be doing very well in the overseas market along with what they make in the states. All this shows that there has to be some competent leadership from a business standpoint.
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Post by Rican on Aug 29, 2011 19:36:11 GMT -5
Yes. I gave up around 06-07 and have just been waiting for it to go under since.
The WWE would get the tape libraries for guys like Angle, Sting, Christian, etc, plus anyone else they may pick up like AJ, Joe, Beer Money, etc.
Most of the older guys that have been around forever (Hogan, Sting, RVD) don't need the money and would be just fine without it. The guys WWE want would get snatched up. And anyone else the WWE didn't get would probably make about the same amount of money in the indies or internationally.
Please die.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 31, 2011 9:33:02 GMT -5
And anyone else the WWE didn't get would probably make about the same amount of money in the indies or internationally. Please die. Is there really that much money to be made in the indies though? If it were true, why do people like Joe keep signing contract extensions? Why do workers like Daniels and Aries come back to such a horribly run company that will lowball them and won't book them right? Maybe the knockouts and people like Jesse Neal would get more on the indie scene, but I doubt most of the older, more established TNA people would.
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Post by Branimal on Aug 31, 2011 9:58:36 GMT -5
I don't wish it would die. I honestly wish it would get better. As Jericho has said in the past, "competition is better for everyone".
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Post by Sponsored by Groose Wipes on Aug 31, 2011 10:07:58 GMT -5
I'll be honest, I'm shocked that it's not dead yet. I quit when they got rid of the 6 sided ring. That's what made TNA stand out. That's what made it unlike anything else.
What I don't like about it is it tries SO HARD to be a neoWCW. I think if it focused on its talent (and it's got the talent to do it) and being it's own thing, I think it could blossom. Will it ever be as good as WWE? I highly doubt it. I'd just wish it would stop trying to be WCW 2.0 and start being TNA.
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Post by percymania on Sept 1, 2011 19:05:02 GMT -5
Not yet. That's my answer.
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Post by clashofchampains on Sept 1, 2011 19:48:29 GMT -5
All of the things you've said, people have been hoping and waiting for TNA to do since 2007 and it hasn't happen. It's not going to happen. And that is why people would say yes to this. Dixie Carter has said that she won't fire Vince Russo. When a company is not just bad, but defiantly bad and unwilling to change, is wishing them out of existence any less logical than continuing to watch bad product time after time? Except it's not bad. Really, the same thing happens each time they tape. Spoilers come out, everyone looks and posts cornette faces, bitches how is the worst thing they read, then the actually episodes air, with the usual motley crew doing riffing on everything, but the general consensus seems to always be "Yeah, It was ok/pretty good...." Plus, the problem isn't resistant to change, but too much change. I'll say this TNA is not as bad as people say it is. I just avoid the spoilers and enjoy the show for the most part.
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Post by clashofchampains on Sept 1, 2011 19:50:30 GMT -5
I actually avoid the spoilers (unless I know I won't be able to watch), and I think Impact is pretty doggone atrocious. You might get one or two decent matches, but with that comes a bunch of horrible matches and horrific angles. It's not just people that dismiss the spoilers, but people actually watch the show and *gasp* don't find it entertaining. I said earlier I would rather TNA die if another company would employ all the talented people that work there (and pay them fairly, if the rumors of payment/treatment from TNA management are to be believed), but if TNA showed any signs of wanting to be better, I wouldn't be as tough on the company. The fact of the matter is they have the best roster in the world today. A roster that is being wasted on stupid television. TNA would need a total upheaval of management and creative in order to truly grow their fanbase, and to further invigorate it's current one. It's not just Russo and it's not just Dixie, it's the whole thing. It would take a new wave of people who understand the wrestling business, see the potential in the incredible roster, and be able to effectively book these guys in situations and matches that don't have the live crowds in deep slumber, and their other fans complaining about how bad the show is every week. I disagree about a few points. TNa has had some really good matches since the BFG series has started, but alot of people complained because D'von was getting wins, Joe had none, and Gunner and Crimson were at the top. The X-Division has been given a shot in the arm, but there's complaints because Lethal and Gen Me are gone. The knockouts are more watchable as of late, but the complaint is usually about Velvet winning. I do think the world title scene needs repair (I hate that alot of title matches end with interference), and hopefully that will get better after the BFG series is over. So while yes, some people may not be entertained by the program in general, there are others who hate it because their favorites aren't in the spotlight. I also see TNA growing as a company and trying to improve the show by taking it on the road and advertising more than they have before. This is the same company who embraced technology in order to grow their brand through their youtube channel, twitter and facebook. Now they get commercials during RAW and some billboards. They also seem to be doing very well in the overseas market along with what they make in the states. All this shows that there has to be some competent leadership from a business standpoint. For the most part people seem to enjoy Impact Wrestling it's just that they disagree with the guys that are pushed.
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Post by Fishbone is Marshall Law on Sept 1, 2011 20:57:02 GMT -5
I don't want TNA to die, I just want better bookers and writers, and pushing of the Originals and younger talent. I also want TNA to acknowledge that the KOs could draw and are booked properly as well.
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Post by Cela on Sept 1, 2011 22:11:59 GMT -5
Yes and no. I would love to see it go out of business and be picked up by new owners, because even inexperienced moguls would make a better product than what is currently presented.
But then again, the X-Division stuff would probably be even more done away with, so, oh well.
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