Ragnal
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Post by Ragnal on Aug 28, 2011 12:17:17 GMT -5
I'd feel better if the company was sold to a competent owner.
Payment issues with most the roster, Spike TV is paying for the bigger names, Russo's writing, god knows what Hogan and Bischoff are doing...
Really, despite my attitude towards them, it's not like I want them to go down, but at the current rate with the aformentioned in the positions they are...it's hard to not feel like it's going that way.
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Aug 28, 2011 12:22:46 GMT -5
I don't wish for TNA to die but I'm hating seeing them commit suicide. my feelings exactly. I really want TNA to succeed but they seem dead set against it.
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Post by clashofchampains on Aug 28, 2011 12:59:01 GMT -5
The difference is that yes, while AJ has been champ, he has never been the guy the company was built around. It's like saying Dolph Ziggler and Jack Swagger have been top guys already because they are former champs. And I'm not just speaking from my own personal desires, I'm talking about what I hear and read most fans say. Obviously, promotions are going to push people that you don't like. But when fans chant Joe's name during his matches (something they don't do for everyone) that should tell the promotion that this is a guy that the fans want to get behind, and would probably pay money to see in main events. However, I do agree with your points that people will always bitch and complain no matter what. I also agree that even if they did everything right, they would probably not suddenly be on WWE's level. Ziggler and Swagger had 1 world title run, and Dolph's shouldn't count, honestly. AJ has 17 championship wins in TNA. He's the first Triple Crown winner, the only Grand Slam champ. The man is ingrained into TNA viewers heads as "Mr. TNA". I think he's even work more matches in TNA than anyone else. At this point, he's more in the HBK role. I also go again how TNA hasn't had AJ built him, cause he built the X-Division, he was built up by TNA as the vanquisher of Jeff Jarrett during his reign of terror TWICE, was one of the main faces during the angle with the Mafia, then the leader of Fortune. If his ass isn't cemented at this point, anything short of putting a gold statue of AJ in the front of the Zone, Rocky III style won't do it. Come on, stop going around the bush to find positives just for the sake of it. "Build as the vanquisher of JJ's reign" is the most hilarous thing i've ever heard. And The faces facing the Maffia looked like a bunch of losers the whole time. AJ won championships but it never was at a time where it mattered. It's like when Benoit became champ, it was more a thank you think out of respect than the company really willing to build around the guy. Most of the time he has spend being the lackey of guys like Christian and Angle. Hell he was playing the lackey of Christian even though he had won the TNA title with the bookers trying their hardest to make us think that it never happened. Yet even during those times he always stole the show but no rewards. And Fourtune have been booked as a bunch of lowrent group of babyface that are not a threat to Immortal, they are not THE faction of TNA. And he's hardly the leader. Plus they hardly exist anymore. The only time TNA is ever tried to make AJ the top dog of this company, deciding yea he's our guy now was in early 2010 when he was paired with Flair as a heel. Every month they tried to find challengers for him that he vanquished. That didn't last long though as already around March they made RVD beat him clean and AJ returned to mid-card soon after. TNA doesn't want AJ to be their guy. I'm talking about making him champ for a whole year where they promote the Hell out of him, he becomes the face of the company, where they plaster his face everywhere. Not other wrestlers, just him! They don't see him that way and never will.
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Post by clashofchampains on Aug 28, 2011 13:03:15 GMT -5
AJ Styles was THE guy when TNA started and through a lot of the company's history. Nowadays he takes a backseat to (insert former WWE/WCW main eventer here), but even then he's usually involved with at least the upper card, if not the main event. He's nowhere near Ziggler/Swagger, who were in the main event for a cup of coffee. I'd put his status in the company among the same level as Shawn Michaels in the WWE for much of the 2000's. Except that Michaels was an old man that had veteran status. He was not even an active wrestler. AJ in TNA is what Angle was in the WWE an uber talented guy that companies should be build around but instead are taken for granted.
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Post by Paco on Aug 28, 2011 14:46:28 GMT -5
Shawn wasn't an active wrestler? I must've dreamt HBK wrestling every Monday Night and PPV I've always had the same POV as Mikey Cee regarding the complaining of A.J. Styles' usage. Joe, I get. Styles? The second he's not in the main event...he's "taken for granted". C.M. Punk is entering this category in WWE now ("Feuding with Nash? Career sabotage!") I don't see what's so bad about the use of Styles (especially taking his whole TNA career into consideration) and I say this as a huge fan of the guy who does want the best for his career. He can't always be on top...well he can but then I'd resent him as much as do Cena (or did Hogan and HHH). Still, the guy is always used well. Until it's the AJ Styles Show, it will never enough for some it seems. But AJ has always been highly regarded...even with Jeff Jarrett's reigns of doom...AJ was the face plastered all over to represent TNA. The World Title has seemingly never represented the face of the Company in TNA when I think about it (except AJ himself in 2009).
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Post by Big L on Aug 28, 2011 14:53:30 GMT -5
Ummmm no?
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Post by ANTLOL on Aug 28, 2011 15:24:40 GMT -5
I don't watch the show, so yeah I wouldn't mind seeing it die. Reasons: 1. The topics on this site. 2. The shoot videos from burned former employees. 3. The talent that would come from the company. 4. WWE SUX U FAGS morons on Youtube etc crying onto their keyboards. So yeah. Kill it! The talent that would come from the company would be unemployed or misused in WWE. The "TNA SUX U FAGS" morons are even worse. At least I have watched WWF, WCW, TNA and WWE and can judge what sucks and what not. Most of the TNA bashing retards haven't watched TNA or just very little of it and judge it by stupid things. Stupid things that happen in every wrestling company.
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Post by Hawk Hart on Aug 28, 2011 15:25:30 GMT -5
Shawn wasn't an active wrestler? I must've dreamt HBK wrestling every Monday Night and PPV I've always had the same POV as Mikey Cee regarding the complaining of A.J. Styles' usage. Joe, I get. Styles? The second he's not in the main event...he's "taken for granted". C.M. Punk is entering this category in WWE now ("Feuding with Nash? Career sabotage!") I don't see what's so bad about the use of Styles (especially taking his whole TNA career into consideration) and I say this as a huge fan of the guy who does want the best for his career. He can't always be on top...well he can but then I'd resent him as much as do Cena (or did Hogan and HHH). Still, the guy is always used well. Until it's the AJ Styles Show, it will never enough for some it seems. But AJ has always been highly regarded...even with Jeff Jarrett's reigns of doom...AJ was the face plastered all over to represent TNA. The World Title has seemingly never represented the face of the Company in TNA when I think about it (except AJ himself in 2009). Consider this is addition to that, TNA has been around nearly ten years, Styles has been around since day one, he's been around the main event at least 80% of that time and I say "around the main event" meaning he's either the Champion, getting shots, or in the biggest angle on the show (Immortal/Fortune used to be the big angle, remember that?).
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Post by ANTLOL on Aug 28, 2011 15:27:35 GMT -5
AJ in TNA is what Angle was in the WWE an uber talented guy that companies should be build around but instead are taken for granted. Benoit was another example.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 15:29:30 GMT -5
AJ in TNA is what Angle was in the WWE an uber talented guy that companies should be build around but instead are taken for granted. Benoit was another example. To be fair both AJ and Benoit have/had a sustained push to keep them in spotlight, sure they aren't always champion but they've never been at risk of being fired. Both were put over as winners and were never brought out of the company to find a new gimmick etc. One thing I'll defend TNA on is that they have worked well with AJ for the most part.
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Johnny D
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Post by Johnny D on Aug 28, 2011 15:44:21 GMT -5
Nope, I just don't want Dixie f'n Carter running it anymore. Get someone who knows wrestling to do that instead.
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Post by cabbageboy on Aug 28, 2011 23:08:45 GMT -5
No, I don't want TNA to go out of business. I really would just like them to put on some sort of consistent product. It seems like TNA is just chaotic....a few weeks the show will be really good and wrestling oriented, then that momentum crashes to a halt and the show becomes incoherent skits and stupid storylines. Vince Russo trying to do multiple TV tapings in a matter of days is a really bad recipe for a promotion. Right now note that WWE may have a wacky and angle driven Raw, but the next night they tape SD and it's usually a much more normal wrestling show.
What exactly would the story arc of a Rise and Fall of TNA DVD even be? I guess they could chronicle the promotion from the weekly PPV era to landing national TV and such, but the company has never really been any sort of major success (WCW) or made huge changes in the business (ECW).
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Post by Cam on Aug 28, 2011 23:53:57 GMT -5
Nah, I like TNA for it's nostalgia value.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on Aug 29, 2011 0:18:30 GMT -5
Yes, I think I do. But, I'm not telling. Have fun guessing why.
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Post by alabastergrim on Aug 29, 2011 0:56:02 GMT -5
Wishing for a company to die simply because you don't like their wrestling angles is incredibly ridiculous. Like them or not, they at least employ people and they give plenty of wrestlers exposure on television that would NEVER get it otherwise. You don't like the show? Fine, turn it off but to waste your energy actively wishing for TNA to close is just sad.
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Post by I hate TNA on Aug 29, 2011 3:20:55 GMT -5
Wishing for a company to die simply because you don't like their wrestling angles is incredibly ridiculous. Like them or not, they at least employ people and they give plenty of wrestlers exposure on television that would NEVER get it otherwise. You don't like the show? Fine, turn it off but to waste your energy actively wishing for TNA to close is just sad. Just to let you know, there's not single person here who wishes death to TNA only because of their television product. And what, what did you say ? At least they employ people ? Well obviously you have no idea of the working conditions in this company, because if you did you wouldn't say something like that while at the same time some of their employees are on food stamps, some of them (read: freelance productions guys and vendors) are still waiting to get paid for their work HEIGHT MONTHS ago and so on. But you know what, here's what I'm going to do: I'll put up some kind of business and I'll employ three people. I won't pay them enough money to make a living, I'll take six months to pay them (and if they ask why, I'll just say the guy who signs the checks as cancer!), they'll hurt themself because of me and the way I treat them but I won't pay any hospital bills. All of this while at the same time I'll employ my best friend and he'll get six figures. Hey, no problem right? At least I employ people!
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Post by dpg on Aug 29, 2011 5:17:44 GMT -5
Wishing for a company to die simply because you don't like their wrestling angles is incredibly ridiculous. Like them or not, they at least employ people and they give plenty of wrestlers exposure on television that would NEVER get it otherwise. You don't like the show? Fine, turn it off but to waste your energy actively wishing for TNA to close is just sad. Just to let you know, there's not single person here who wishes death to TNA only because of their television product. And what, what did you say ? At least they employ people ? Well obviously you have no idea of the working conditions in this company, because if you did you wouldn't say something like that while at the same time some of their employees are on food stamps, some of them (read: freelance productions guys and vendors) are still waiting to get paid for their work HEIGHT MONTHS ago and so on. But you know what, here's what I'm going to do: I'll put up some kind of business and I'll employ three people. I won't pay them enough money to make a living, I'll take six months to pay them (and if they ask why, I'll just say the guy who signs the checks as cancer!), they'll hurt themself because of me and the way I treat them but I won't pay any hospital bills. All of this while at the same time I'll employ my best friend and he'll get six figures. Hey, no problem right? At least I employ people! TNA do pay hospital bills, they've just not paid a few they should have. As for the rest, fine, don't employ them. Then the people your saying don't get much and live on food stamps will get even less and still get food stamps.
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Post by I hate TNA on Aug 29, 2011 5:24:41 GMT -5
Just to let you know, there's not single person here who wishes death to TNA only because of their television product. And what, what did you say ? At least they employ people ? Well obviously you have no idea of the working conditions in this company, because if you did you wouldn't say something like that while at the same time some of their employees are on food stamps, some of them (read: freelance productions guys and vendors) are still waiting to get paid for their work HEIGHT MONTHS ago and so on. But you know what, here's what I'm going to do: I'll put up some kind of business and I'll employ three people. I won't pay them enough money to make a living, I'll take six months to pay them (and if they ask why, I'll just say the guy who signs the checks as cancer!), they'll hurt themself because of me and the way I treat them but I won't pay any hospital bills. All of this while at the same time I'll employ my best friend and he'll get six figures. Hey, no problem right? At least I employ people! TNA do pay hospital bills, they've just not paid a few they should have. As for the rest, fine, don't employ them. Then the people your saying don't get much and live on food stamps will get even less and still get food stamps. No they don't. TNA does not pay any hospital bills. Never has, never will. Fact. And no, they won't be on food stamps anymore. They'll get to make more money by working elsewhere, that's it. Next.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Aug 29, 2011 7:39:37 GMT -5
No they don't. TNA does not pay any hospital bills. Never has, never will. Fact. And no, they won't be on food stamps anymore. They'll get to make more money by working elsewhere, that's it. Next. Where are all these Indy feds that pay better and more reliably than TNA? Someone ought to tell guys like Aries and Daniels all about them so they don't have to come back. Seriously, I thought the indie scene was filled with people who make those running TNA seem like complete pros. I know some guys can make more money working indies than TNA, but they're guys who've been at it for years, have had long ROH stints and appeared on TV under various names like Cabana, I don't believe for a moment guys like Jessie Neal could command anywhere near... But when he hopefully leaves TNA, he'll have a better shot at doing just that because he's been on TV, more fans will have heard of him. That's why TNA appeals to workers and why, as badly as it's run, it's continued existence is a good thing. They may lowball, but the exposure they give workers more than compensates for it, which was the attitude the Young Bucks had about their time there.
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Post by Chainsaw on Aug 29, 2011 7:45:20 GMT -5
There have been times where I wish it'd be put out of it's misery, but then I realize what happened to the landscape when WWE was the only game in town.
It just needs better management, for the sake of the fans and, as we've seen recently, for the health of the wrestlers.
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