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Post by Chronos on Aug 28, 2011 5:59:15 GMT -5
I don't wish it, but they deserve to die. Also my feelings exactly. I would love so much to see TNA succeed and soar, but a company this mismanaged is a black mark on the entire industry. I think given time TNA will improve., the only problem is that it has taken 9 years to get where they currently are and they still haven't had a high moment just a succession of low moments. TNA from 2004-2006 was very good. Joe/Styles/Daniels, Raven's NWA title reign, AMW's wonderful heel run, Christian Cage's debut and heel turn later in the year, a bunch of great PPVs, the company had a lot going for it then.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 28, 2011 6:53:54 GMT -5
To answer the question though, nah, I'm sometimes entertained by 'em, you have a place for lots of guys and gals to work, the positives outweigh the negatives.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 28, 2011 6:55:00 GMT -5
I don't wish it, but they deserve to die. Mikey: Do you think companies who hire Gunner should last 10 years? Herr Hund: No sir. Mikey: Do you think a company who job out The Pope should last 10 years? Herr Hund: No, sir. Mikey: Do you think a company who hire Jeff Hardy should last 10 years? Herr Hund: No. Mikey: Well what do you think should happen? What would be a fair length? Jackrabbit $lim: Objection! Mikey: Do you think they should deserve to die? Jackrabbit $lim: Don't answer that Herr Hund! Mikey: Do you think they should DESERVE TO DIE?! Herr Hund:YES, THEY DESERVE TO DIE AND I HOPE THEY BURN IN HELL! I'm Mcconaughey; alright, alright, alright.
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Post by I hate TNA on Aug 28, 2011 6:58:17 GMT -5
To answer the question though, nah, I'm sometimes entertained by 'em, you have a place for lots of guys and gals to work, the positives outweigh the negatives. Yeah, where they can make 500$ at best if they're not coming from WWE. What a great place this is.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 7:43:18 GMT -5
I don't know why TNA gets so much heat. Yes it is Russo's pet and has a ton of flaws, but put the talent in better hands and it could go places. Hell even with Russo they are pushing newer/fresher guys (Morgan, Beer Money, Crimson, Gunner, Aries, a reiinvented Bully Ray, etc) and generally have storylines/characters for most of the talent (only problem is Russo can start feuds but doesn't have enough depth in creativity to make them compelling over long periods).
Would I like them to push Pope and Joe more? Absolutely. But not everyone is going to be pushed, certainly not with Russo's ADD booking. It doesn't deserve to die. It got nearly 1.7 viewers a few days ago up against Jersey Shore, which should eat away at their demo.
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Post by I hate TNA on Aug 28, 2011 8:06:53 GMT -5
The thing is, TNA does not just get heat because their booking. Creative is just one problem among others.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2011 8:39:39 GMT -5
I don't want it to die. I want them to improve and them to be a great company.
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Post by Bram wants to 'urt you on Aug 28, 2011 10:57:59 GMT -5
I don't want it to die. I want them to improve and them to be a great company. This. I want the Carters to get fed up of their pet project, and someone who a) has the money, b) is a wrestling fan and c) has a clear and definite idea of what they want the company to do/be to take over.
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Post by 8.2.11/SAVIOR_NEZ on Aug 28, 2011 11:05:49 GMT -5
The only way I would want TNA to "die" is if another, more competent wrestling company (not necessarily WWE) had TV time and all the extremely talented wrestlers employed. I don't want wrestlers, referees, ring crew, production team, etc. to be out of work, but I wouldn't mind if some in the administration would get the boot. From the inept booking you see on TV, to the rumored backstage happenings, it would be best if a better company had the privilege of booking that talent.
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Post by BxB on Aug 28, 2011 11:16:18 GMT -5
Wouldn't want TNA to close shop. As bad as it can get, I can just not watch it. If they folded, a lot of people would be out of jobs. Also, say what you will about TNA, but they seem to have a loyal fanbase to an extent. No matter how bad the product can get, they still manage to get those same people to tune in every week.
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Post by clashofchampains on Aug 28, 2011 11:29:36 GMT -5
First WWE are awful at managing libraries, all their "History of" sets sucks
Second TNA is the only wrestling I watch
Third, strange with all the "no bashing" threads created by the Mods we get a WWE fan coming in saying TNA should die.
In a ideal World All know promotions would self-destruct and five top quality promotions would emerge from the ashes. But it will never happen so why bother?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 28, 2011 11:30:51 GMT -5
To answer the question though, nah, I'm sometimes entertained by 'em, you have a place for lots of guys and gals to work, the positives outweigh the negatives. Yeah, where they can make 500$ at best if they're not coming from WWE. What a great place this is. Still a place to ply their trade; if it wasn't around they'd be making zero dollars.
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Post by I hate TNA on Aug 28, 2011 11:34:51 GMT -5
Wouldn't want TNA to close shop. As bad as it can get, I can just not watch it. If they folded, a lot of people would be out of jobs. Who cares. Either they have enough money to live like nothing had happened, either they make so little money they would be better working elsewhere. The only person I see this being a problem for is Ric Flair, sadly (hell, I'm almost sure Vince would still be willing to pay him as Ambassador). Also, say what you will about TNA, but they seem to have a loyal fanbase to an extent. No matter how bad the product can get, they still manage to get those same people to tune in every week. Loyal? Not really. TNA fans are either: - bored WWE fans desesperately hoping for an alternative who follow TNA because they need to have some type of wrestling to watch - Die hard wrestling fans that are going to watch every single wrestling show that's on TV There was a time where, replay wise, TNA was doing the same number of Pay-Per-View buys WWE is doing live. Nowadays this is no longer the case and their Pay-Per-Views buys live are always around 8,000. TNA as 8,000 fans who cares about them and their product. What a successful company this is.
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Post by Sektor on Aug 28, 2011 11:35:36 GMT -5
No, because I don't think there'd be anything to replace it. The TNA experiment isn't exactly going to cause investors to line up and get involved with pro wrestling. They're established, they have some kind of core fan base, I don't think improvement is as impossible as some. Pretty much, TNA tanking will show just how much of a moneypit a wrestling company is. They had big money backing from a big company, they had very little competition for talent from similar sized feds, they had a national US TV station that loves their output and international exposure. If a company with all those things going for it can't make it work then wrestling just won't be seen as a worthwhile investment. No, it'll show how much of a moneypit IW was. They're so poorly managed that it's not even funny at this point, I just wish it would either change or they'd go the hell away and let RoH have their TV spot. I know some people don't agree with it, but the fact is that if they didn't have a major money backer they would've died a long time ago. They're spending a ton of money that isn't theirs and are making very little back.
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Post by I hate TNA on Aug 28, 2011 11:36:22 GMT -5
Yeah, where they can make 500$ at best if they're not coming from WWE. What a great place this is. Still a place to ply their trade; if it wasn't around they'd be making zero dollars. Well, actually you can make more money by doing indies if you manage to do a certain amout of dates during the month.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Aug 28, 2011 11:37:12 GMT -5
No, no, no and NO. For all of the stupid crap and poor business decisions TNA has done over the years (and trust me, there's been a lot of both), there has yet to be any point where I throw my hands in the air and say "put this company out of its misery". I love WWE, but I'd rather not have them (and ROH eventually) be my only widely televised wrestling options.
Even at their worst, TNA can still make me laugh. Hell, I even found the infamous 10-14-10 Impact entertaining in a moronic trainwreck sort of way- especially with Dixie hamming it up ("Serge! Serge!")
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Post by comahan on Aug 28, 2011 11:44:01 GMT -5
Still a place to ply their trade; if it wasn't around they'd be making zero dollars. Well, actually you can make more money by doing indies if you manage to do a certain amout of dates during the month. Or you could work far less dates in TNA and make the same or more money. The lowest paid guys in TNA still make a lot more than they do for a typical indy show. If youre getting booked in TNA, its a fantastic place to be for Indy guys and girls. The problem is when theyre not being booked, as was the case with the Young Bucks. In that case, the indies are better.
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Post by clashofchampains on Aug 28, 2011 11:45:50 GMT -5
Honest answer: Sometimes, due to many of the same reasons the op mentioned. However, most of the time I wish they would just get their act together. They have an amazing roster, match types WWE doesn't have, a ppv concept WWE doesn't have, and a lot of money. There is no reason why it shouldn't be a quality show most of the time. A big problem I think, is not listening to the fans. The people want AJ and Joe as their guys, but instead we get Crimson and Gunner. Fans are sick of dominant heel stables, so then the form Immortal. Fans complain that people turn face/heel too much that they can't get behind anyone and root for them, yet they continue to do this. When people praise the shows during certain periods like 2006 or late 2009, they change gears instead of sticking to a formula that has people talking to their friends and other fans about how great the shows are. Just recently people were praising Destination X, and were excited about the X Division again. But now, just under two months later, they are back to one segment per show. Listen to what your fanbase wants, and give it to them, or at least give them enough to keep them happy and wanting more. If they did this they would probably start to grow as a company, and people wouldn't be wishing that they would go out of business so that they could see their favorite wrestlers booked in a better fashion elsewhere. That's always been the problem with TNA is that they keep giving the finger to their fanbase but there always be people to check out their shows because there'S no other wrestling other than the WWE. When Paul Heyman came up with the hardcore wrestling formula, he saw that the fans loved it and so he kept doing that formula, it's what they wanted. Yet being a genius he gave a lot more on the side(great wrestling matchs, great characters, etc..). At the opposite end of the spectrum, TNA came up with the X Division concept and it gave the company its identity in 2002. Yet by the end of the year, they already switched gear and decided to put their focus on a typical big storyline with S.E.X. invasion. Then they stopped doing that and you had the Raven's Destiny and they killed that right when JJ won the title. You can't grow fanbase when you stop doing what they want to see all the time. They just leave. If anything it kills that fanbase so another takes over. I love the X Divison to death, if you stop doing it, i'm gonna leave. It's the most ridiculous business plan that can be thought of and that's why TNA will never grow. It will always be watched by a bunch of people that watch it because they like wrestling and casuals and that's it. WWE is successful because people know what it's about and it's always the same thing, it's like Ronald McDonald. They picked a formula and they're sticking to it. (the genius of Heyman in ECW like I said was that like Vince he found a formula but contrary to the big bloated company he always gave fans something more that was not expected. Hopefully with CM Punk the WWE can find that).
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Post by I hate TNA on Aug 28, 2011 11:54:45 GMT -5
Well, actually you can make more money by doing indies if you manage to do a certain amout of dates during the month. Or you could work far less dates in TNA and make the same or more money. The lowest paid guys in TNA still make a lot more than they do for a typical indy show. If youre getting booked in TNA, its a fantastic place to be for Indy guys and girls. The problem is when theyre not being booked, as was the case with the Young Bucks. In that case, the indies are better. Problem is, in TNA if your pay is low it means you're a mid-carder and you're usually not even being booked to do two tapings in a row. Add this to the fact that you have to pay transportation, food and hotel for/in Orlando (at one point they were paying your room at The Double Tree, unfortunatly it's no longer the case and God knows life is expensive in Florida) and at the end of the month there's no money left.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Aug 28, 2011 12:08:51 GMT -5
I don't wish for TNA to die but I'm hating seeing them commit suicide.
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