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Post by Cyno on Jan 5, 2012 16:36:13 GMT -5
Even if the House passes it (and it may, but it's even losing support THERE), Senate wants nothing to do with it and vow to fail it. Even if it reaches Obama's desk (and it won't), he'll veto it. This is one huge overreaction. I really hope that's the case. Haven't really heard anything about the Senate one way or another outside of Ron Wyden's threat to fillibuster by reading the names of every single American citizen who signed a petition to have their name read for said fillibuster. Right now that petition has at least 75,000 names. Though the Senate has its own version of the bill being circulated called the Protect IP Act, or PIPA. It's nowhere near as bad or catastrophic to the internet as SOPA is, but it's still really bad. I'd say it's at least as bad as the DMCA that's currently law. Obama also hasn't said outright if he's going to veto or not. Though his stances and record in support of net neutrality measures would suggest he would. And I can't see him supporting very unpopular legislation during an election year. But crazier things have happened. Still, it's important to demonstrate how bad a SOPA Internet would be. The American public needs to be informed about the effects this bill would have if it, or anything similar in the future, became law.
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Post by Kash Flagg on Jan 5, 2012 16:40:34 GMT -5
Hate to be Billy Buzzkill, but saying "I know this is politics but" doesn't make it ok to discuss politics. I know this is a big deal and could affect us, but we have to stay in the rules here. As hard as it may be, cut out the politics please.
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Post by Mozenrath on Jan 5, 2012 16:42:02 GMT -5
Hate to be Billy Buzzkill, but saying "I know this is politics but" doesn't make it ok to discuss politics. I know this is a big deal and could affect us, but we have to stay in the rules here. As hard as it may be, cut out the politics please. These shirts are too tight, Billy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2012 17:14:44 GMT -5
Hate to be Billy Buzzkill, but saying "I know this is politics but" doesn't make it ok to discuss politics. I know this is a big deal and could affect us, but we have to stay in the rules here. As hard as it may be, cut out the politics please. Trust me, the last thing I want to do is discuss politics. I even hate having to talk about this.
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Post by wildojinx on Jan 5, 2012 18:39:24 GMT -5
The celebs who are against this should also go on strike. Of course, the only high profile one is ashton kutcher (and it wouldt make much of an impact as im sure the current season of two and a half men has finished shooting) but it would still get attention.
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 5, 2012 18:56:09 GMT -5
Honestly at this point it seems more a public issue than a political one. I know it's still political but if passed, it'll affect all of us forever potentially. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by jagilki on Jan 5, 2012 19:04:08 GMT -5
Has anybody seen the Pro-SOPA ad?
It makes it sound so good.
Pirates are downloading American Jobs and stealing their ideas! Tell Congress to Stop Online Piracy Now!
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Post by BoilerRoomBrawler on Jan 5, 2012 21:52:59 GMT -5
Even if the House passes it (and it may, but it's even losing support THERE), Senate wants nothing to do with it and vow to fail it. Even if it reaches Obama's desk (and it won't), he'll veto it. This is one huge overreaction. Seriously? I didn't know the Senate opposed it, that's awesome news! Someone DNRTA (Did Not Read The Article).
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Jan 5, 2012 21:52:59 GMT -5
How exactly would SOPA DO anything right now? I mean I understand it's aims are to stop Piracy by shutting down sites that link to copyrighted material. That said, some of the biggest offenders of the CURRENT copyright laws are not bound by American Laws.
All SOPA seems to do is simply cast a wider net than existing legislation, by disallowing a greater number of possible sites, they MAY actually stop some of the legitimate piracy sites, but currently YouTube is doing EXACTLY as the current law states.
(Ok, i'm not sure if this is considered politics, as it's simply an examination of the current Protocol for DMCA claims)
The Current law states that the medium (In this case YouTube) would not be held accountable if copyrighted material was posted......however as a counterpoint to that they must also pursue any claims made that copyrighted material has been posted by a purported copyright holder. What this means is this.....it's up to the HOLDER of the Copyrights to make the claim that copyrighted material has been posted and thier rights as holders of that copyright have been infringed upon. The Service DOES pursue these, because if they do NOT then they could be considered to be complicit in the infringement of the copyright, and then subject to litigation.
The SOPA Bill would criminalize further the use of copyrighted footage and images AND hold sites liable for hosting or allowing access to said footage.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on Jan 5, 2012 23:44:30 GMT -5
As far as I can tell, SOPA will fast-track the whole process to the point that the courts actually don't get involved.
To give an example, I enjoyed the web series of Street Fighter: The Later Years that CollegeHumor aired. By all standards of law, they can produce, promote, and distribute this series as it clearly is a parody. As things currently stand, even if Capcom seriously disliked that the series was made they can do nothing about it as it is perfectly legal material. Once SOPA is passed, it will still be perfectly legal material but Capcom could (though I and not saying that they would) shut down the entire CollegeHumor website over it anyways. Sure, CollegeHumor can sue them over it, but I don't know for sure that the owners of the website can afford it and I can guarantee that many people couldn't afford to contend with <insert company name here>'s lawyers.
What I think will happen if the law is passed is that many large internet companies will move all of their services off of US servers. Quite honestly, if I owned an internet company that users can post things on I would seriously consider closing my business as I would now be held liable for user activities. For a website like Facebook or Google that means that they would need to hire enough so many workers to police their users' activities that they could populate an entire metropolitan area. They cannot possibly afford to do that.
Lastly, it appears as though SOPA will extend the number of crimes that they can pursue foreign nationals for. Supposedly they have already tried to extradite for prosecution foreigners for breaking US laws over the internet from the safety of their own computer located in nations in which their activities do not break any laws.
In the end, it will cause a massive collapse of the existing infrastructure of the internet that those who are pushing for this seem to intend to use SOPA to allow them to kill competition that they will likely try to replace with their own websites and servers.
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