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Post by Tim on Oct 7, 2011 20:41:26 GMT -5
I hate kids and anything that panders to them. Exactly my thoughts on this subject.
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Oct 7, 2011 20:45:58 GMT -5
My big dislike of PG is that the current creative team seemed to be under the impression that PG= lame "comedy" skits of the sort you get on low budget children's shows when shows like Fresh Prince, Futurama and more recently, FiM have proved that you can be a PG (or below) show and still remain funny without resorting to the sort of lame crap that WWE creative thrust upon us. PG wasn't the problem. Crappy writing was the problem. Co-signed. Someone needs to show unCreative a little something called New Generation WWF. It wasn't raunchy; hell, wrestling was still black and white around that time. But it wasn't sterilized beyond reason. You don't want smut? That's fine. But rather than replacing it with a midget pretending to be a leprechaun in "comedy" skits, why not replace it with wrestling and storylines? It doesn't have to be either G or X. There is a midpoint.
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Post by avenger on Oct 7, 2011 21:02:18 GMT -5
My big dislike of PG is that the current creative team seemed to be under the impression that PG= lame "comedy" skits of the sort you get on low budget children's shows when shows like Fresh Prince, Futurama and more recently, FiM have proved that you can be a PG (or below) show and still remain funny without resorting to the sort of lame crap that WWE creative thrust upon us. PG wasn't the problem. Crappy writing was the problem. Co-signed. Someone needs to show unCreative a little something called New Generation WWF. It wasn't raunchy; hell, wrestling was still black and white around that time. But it wasn't sterilized beyond reason. You don't want smut? That's fine. But rather than replacing it with a midget pretending to be a leprechaun in "comedy" skits, why not replace it with wrestling and storylines? It doesn't have to be either G or X. There is a midpoint. Of all the eras to get Creative to watch, New Generation WWF is probably the one you want them to skip. I can't recall the last time Hornswoggle appeared on Raw or Smackdown, let alone in a comedy skit. He's certainly on TV a lot less frequently than Dink was. We had SuperLuger instead of SuperCena (and at least Cena is over), and there is no-one as edgy as Punk or even Orton in the New Generation era.
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Post by El Hijo del Havoc on Oct 7, 2011 23:09:47 GMT -5
"God, give us TV-14 back and we'll give you Justin Bieber in return!!11!"
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Post by nm on Oct 8, 2011 0:12:00 GMT -5
The thing about YouTube and the internet in general (with wrestling and anything else) is ANYTHING in the past is better than it is now. If you watch videos from 1995 and 2007 WWE, two of the worst years in their history, there will be comments "ZOMGZZzZz THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT JOHN CENA PG CRAP LOL!"
In 5 years watch a video of Hornswoggle beating Chavo Guerrero "I MISS THIS SO MUCH THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN THE CRAP THEY'RE PUTTING OUT NOW"
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Post by agent817 on Oct 8, 2011 1:02:52 GMT -5
The thing about YouTube and the internet in general (with wrestling and anything else) is ANYTHING in the past is better than it is now. If you watch videos from 1995 and 2007 WWE, two of the worst years in their history, there will be comments "ZOMGZZzZz THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT JOHN CENA PG CRAP LOL!" In 5 years watch a video of Hornswoggle beating Chavo Guerrero "I MISS THIS SO MUCH THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN THE CRAP THEY'RE PUTTING OUT NOW" That's how I look at it. GUARANTEED, and I didn't capitalize the word for nothing, guaran-DAMN-teed that when said time was current, they were trashing it like they're trashing the current stuff. For example, Raw in 2003 was not good, but seeing the comments on the videos from that year say otherwise. Actually, both 2003 and 2004 were far from the best years, yet they act like it was that good, when in reality, I bet they were trashing the product that was going on during those days.
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Post by wcw on Oct 8, 2011 1:24:23 GMT -5
I actually don't have a problem at all with PG. Kids like wrestling its a natural audience. The time for wrestling to be the "In" thing with the 18-34 crowd has come and gone and trying to recapture that is a failed effort.
BUT what I hate about PG is that on top of making the product more family friendly (Less cursing, less skin from the Divas, and little to no over the top violence) they have also dumb down the product somewhat.
The story-lines are very predictable and they just don't take a lot of chances. IF my 9 year old cousin can predict 80% of story-line reveals and main event outcomes you have a problem in my opinion. Its something for a smark fan who gets a lot of info and has seen a lot of wrestling out comes to know or have a good idea of what's happening but clearly a 9 year old isn't doing that and hasn't seen that much of the product to know the gist of things.
You don't really need the blood, boobs, and language hell look at Nitro it was TV PG for its entire run (I don't think it went TV 14 but maybe in 2000 it might have but I don't think so) and that product is something a lot of people look back on as the good ole days.
I just wish the WWE or TNA would have longer title reigns so that belts actually mean something, more serious woman's wrestling, less sillyness, and put an emphasis on it being an athletic endeavor.
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Post by 06vwgti on Oct 8, 2011 1:28:49 GMT -5
PG doesnt bother me, the lack of midcard and lower card fueds with no feeling that they matter sucks more. And even with PG you could still have a solid mid and lower card with great matches, something WWE has really forgotten the last few years or so.
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Post by avenger on Oct 8, 2011 1:49:33 GMT -5
The thing about YouTube and the internet in general (with wrestling and anything else) is ANYTHING in the past is better than it is now. If you watch videos from 1995 and 2007 WWE, two of the worst years in their history, there will be comments "ZOMGZZzZz THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN THAT JOHN CENA PG CRAP LOL!" In 5 years watch a video of Hornswoggle beating Chavo Guerrero "I MISS THIS SO MUCH THIS IS WAY BETTER THAN THE CRAP THEY'RE PUTTING OUT NOW" It goes beyond YouTube and the internet - people make "things ain't what they used to be" style quotes about everything. The oldest one I've found (about how you can't leave your house without fear of being attacked) dates back to 1770. The most memorable things about the past are the very best and the very worst, and the worst things only stick in the memory of they're life changing and important (not unimportant crap like wrestling). All the average and below average stuff is filtered out by the memory. We remember the advent of Austin 3:16 (PG), the first Boiler Room Brawl (PG), the Montreal Screwjob (PG) and Mike Tyson decking Shawn Michaels (PG) but the Honky Tonk Man managing Billy Gunn as Rockabilly, Too Cool being called Too Much and taking on Al Snow & Head in a tag team match, and Planet Stasiak, and Ivory feuding with (and losing the feud to) the Fabulous Moolah only rises to the surface if someone else triggers it.
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Post by agent817 on Oct 8, 2011 11:08:07 GMT -5
What cracks me up is how someone posted a video of a Raw from 1994, yes, that year, and some user went so far as to say "This stuff was better than the PG crap we have now" until someone else replied to him saying that the stuff from that era was PG.
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Post by The Ichi on Oct 8, 2011 11:20:30 GMT -5
They're Youtube comments, why are we trying to apply logic to them? I'm pretty sure that can cause brain cancer.
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Post by perpetualn00b on Oct 8, 2011 17:30:02 GMT -5
It goes beyond YouTube and the internet - people make "things ain't what they used to be" style quotes about everything. The oldest one I've found (about how you can't leave your house without fear of being attacked) dates back to 1770. Oh, that's nothing. People have literally found clay tablets from ancienct Mesopotamia doing this. It's part of the human condition.
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Post by nate5054 on Oct 8, 2011 22:33:57 GMT -5
One problem is that most people associate TV PG with Movie PG (makes sense, since the movie version came first) and Movie PG is far more restrictive than TV PG. WWE "creative" seems to make the same association as well. With that it seems irritating that a wrestler can't let loose the occassional swear or the story lines can't be more adult, even though PG TV guildelines allow some of it. And crap like Hornswaggle doesn't help.
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Post by El Hijo del Havoc on Oct 8, 2011 22:56:55 GMT -5
I was looking through comments of the 'Triple H screwing Katie Vick' video and I was shocked at some of them I saw. Mainly that the WWE needs to return to that kind of product and that kind of humor cause it was the funniest shit they ever saw
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Post by Mac on Oct 8, 2011 23:04:35 GMT -5
It sounds insignificant but when I hear someone say..
"Im gonna kick your ass!!!!!"
it sounds a lot better than
"Im gonna kick your butt!"
Im glads they've started using the word ass more.
I dont have as much an issue with PG as I do the milquetoast strategy of having wrestlers (save for one or two) who are basically interchangable parts and dont stand out from one another with the exception of who is being pushed at a particular point. I mean seriously we have so many former world champions and former multiple time world champions that the whole build of anyone towards anything seems completely meaningless
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Post by agent817 on Oct 9, 2011 1:04:03 GMT -5
You know, I was watching a Shawn Michaels Coliseum Video from 1996 a while back and when he says "I do whatever the HECK I want," that clearly shows how PG rated they were during those days.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 6:49:25 GMT -5
You think stopping the Christian/Benjamin match was stupid? I'll tell you what would have been stupid - not stopping the match. Christian didn't give himself a little nick on the top of his forehead to provide a nice visual effect. He cut his eyelid. Now, think about that, A guy cuts his eyelid, and if no-one runs in to stop it, it could swell up, it could restrict his vision. And you want him to then take part in a 15-20 minute ladder match? That wouldn't be stupid, that would be reckless. A similar cut in boxing would see the match stopped if they couldn't stem the flow of blood - because the boxer concerned wouldn't be able to defend himself adequately because of restricted vision. They've stopped very few matches for blood, but everytime they have, it's made sense. When Punk/Mysterio was stopped, Punk subsequently needed sixteen stitches in the wound. When Cena/Orton was stopped fifteen minutes into a hour long iron match (and let's remember, they waited until after the next fall), it was because losing blood for 45 minutes isn't healthy. JBL said that Eddie was still suffering the effects of his blade job in their match at Judgment Day a month later. When you give blood, they advise you against strenuous activity for 24 hours, and they give you that advice for a reason. You'll notice that when guys had a little blood coming from their nose or their mouth, they didn't stop the match. They only did it when it could be problematic for the wrestler concerned. That's not stupid, that's finally taking an interest in their wrestler's well being. (And the reason that Shelton didn't just rush up the ladder while the match was stopped was because, get this - the match was stopped) Fair enough, but they should have called an audible or something. As it was, it just stopped the match dead in its tracks and pissed off the crowd - they could have easily had Shelton rush up and grab the title, then drop it back to Christian on Tuesday. Or at the Rumble, which would have spared us a bit of that never-ending Christian / Regal & Friends feud.
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Post by mrjl on Oct 9, 2011 7:31:14 GMT -5
You think stopping the Christian/Benjamin match was stupid? I'll tell you what would have been stupid - not stopping the match. Christian didn't give himself a little nick on the top of his forehead to provide a nice visual effect. He cut his eyelid. Now, think about that, A guy cuts his eyelid, and if no-one runs in to stop it, it could swell up, it could restrict his vision. And you want him to then take part in a 15-20 minute ladder match? That wouldn't be stupid, that would be reckless. A similar cut in boxing would see the match stopped if they couldn't stem the flow of blood - because the boxer concerned wouldn't be able to defend himself adequately because of restricted vision. They've stopped very few matches for blood, but everytime they have, it's made sense. When Punk/Mysterio was stopped, Punk subsequently needed sixteen stitches in the wound. When Cena/Orton was stopped fifteen minutes into a hour long iron match (and let's remember, they waited until after the next fall), it was because losing blood for 45 minutes isn't healthy. JBL said that Eddie was still suffering the effects of his blade job in their match at Judgment Day a month later. When you give blood, they advise you against strenuous activity for 24 hours, and they give you that advice for a reason. You'll notice that when guys had a little blood coming from their nose or their mouth, they didn't stop the match. They only did it when it could be problematic for the wrestler concerned. That's not stupid, that's finally taking an interest in their wrestler's well being. (And the reason that Shelton didn't just rush up the ladder while the match was stopped was because, get this - the match was stopped) Fair enough, but they should have called an audible or something. As it was, it just stopped the match dead in its tracks and pissed off the crowd - they could have easily had Shelton rush up and grab the title, then drop it back to Christian on Tuesday. Or at the Rumble, which would have spared us a bit of that never-ending Christian / Regal & Friends feud. so you're recommending a dramatic storyline change for little bit of blood. Plus it sets a bad precendent. What if John Cena got busted open in a match against say Tyler Reks?
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Post by eJm on Oct 9, 2011 11:14:28 GMT -5
Fair enough, but they should have called an audible or something. As it was, it just stopped the match dead in its tracks and pissed off the crowd - they could have easily had Shelton rush up and grab the title, then drop it back to Christian on Tuesday. Or at the Rumble, which would have spared us a bit of that never-ending Christian / Regal & Friends feud. so you're recommending a dramatic storyline change for little bit of blood. Plus it sets a bad precendent. What if John Cena got busted open in a match against say Tyler Reks? 'Suck it up and take it, you whiner!' [/HHH]
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Post by crimsonwolf on Oct 9, 2011 11:56:58 GMT -5
The YouTube comment section is full of intolerance, conspiracy theories, take thats at Bieber...and bitching about how the good ole' days were better. And "Like this post if...."
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