So what is it that makes PG so hated by the YWC?

[agent817]

I am sure that many topics of this subject have been done before, but I am still a little curious. After reading a Wrestlecrap induction about Shaniqua, I can agree with some aspects of that induction. Do the YWC (I won't say the IWC, because I am not sure if ALL of the internet wrestling fans are that much against PG) really feel that raunch equals better times? I can say this: Seeing the divas get stripped on TV at times is rather arousing to a point but it really doesn't mean that it makes for better TV.

Of course, looking at YouTube videos from the Attitude Era (And I mean from 1998-2000) can be done for nostalgic purposes, but when I looked at some clips with Val Venis from that era, I thought to myself "How did I not pick up on that then?" and I know I was only 12 and the subject of sex and its double entendres and implications really flew over my head then.

The YouTube community even says stuff when they watch a divas bikini contest "Things were better during this time." I don't understand. As if the divas' ring attires aren't skimpy enough. Hell, Kelly Kelly's ring attire can easily pass as underwear or swimwear.

Regarding blood in matches, well they do add some intensity to matches and I respect it if they tone it down in some areas, but in matches like the Hell in a Cell matches or Elimination Chamber matches, lack of blood doesn't really make sense to me if there is to be carnage, but even lack of blood doesn't make it a bad match.

What do you think it is?

[Cronant]

Boobs. Blood. Language.

[Deleted]

Isn't most of this the general consensus around here? The only thing that really bugs me, and it doesn't really happen these days, is when they stop a match for blood. That's just ridiculous, especially the Christian / Shelton Benjamin match where Benjamin didn't just immediately rush up the ladder afterward.

[Krimzon]

It represents the WWE's current way of thinking. The stigma the PG Era has is that the WWE has gone out of their way to remove what was deemed as "cool" just so they could play to the 12 & Under crowd, alienating their older fanbase.

[Cronant]

That really sounds stupid though, to be honest. That stuff wasn't "cool" anymore.

It was overused, and not near as effective.

[kneesurgery]

WWE was PG in my favourite era, so I have no problem with PG.

[Mighty Attack Tribble]

Oct 7, 2011 15:54:00 GMT -5 kneesurgery said:

WWE was PG in my favourite era, so I have no problem with PG.

Seconded. Only thing I miss are the insanely hot crowds.

[kneesurgery]

Oct 7, 2011 15:58:32 GMT -5 Mighty Attack Tribble said:

Oct 7, 2011 15:54:00 GMT -5 kneesurgery said:

WWE was PG in my favourite era, so I have no problem with PG.

Seconded. Only thing I miss are the insanely hot crowds.

Yeah I agree with that too. Added to the drama very much.

Oh, and the Hasbro wrestling figures : )

[Indiana Miz]

I think a lot of the people on Youtube that have a problem with PG are people that started watching wrestling in the Attitude Era and didn't watch afterwards, so that think wrestling should be all about language, blood, and nudity. Something I find funny is when people on youtube complain about the PG rating, and they don't even know what it was before. I've seen people say "WWE needs go back to being TV-MA/ Rated-R and get rid of the kiddy PG-13 crap." When they think of PG, they think of this:


Part of the blame should be on WWE, though, since they always bring up the fact that "this is a PG show". If not for them mentioning the rating so often, a lot of people wouldn't have noticed it. WWE had already cut back on Attitude Era type material prior to ratings change.

[rnrk supports BLM]

Because pro wrestling was very popular during the late '90s and is largely a niche product today, leading some fans to believe that everything that is different about modern-day WWE is detrimental to the show.

[agent817]

Let me say this, while I did first become a fan in the late 90s, I didn't realize that it was all edgy until months into watching it. To be honest, I watched a little more of WCW than WWF and then later on, I was more into WWF than WCW. It wasn't even the big boom period that drew me to it, either.

[Deleted]

I grew up in the eighties with the more kid friendly wrestling programs, compared to the Attitude era anyways. I have a kid now, and he's going to probably like wrestling in a few years. I wouldn't want to take him to a show or watch one with the things that were going on back in the Attitude era. I think with the influx of kids at the shows and the popularity of guys like Cena and Mysterio then they are doing a great job of obtaining new fans.

I have to admit from what I've watched, I do miss some of the more adult oriented storylines, but if they were geared that way now, I'd never let my son watch.

[Clash, Never a Meter Maid]

Oct 7, 2011 16:14:40 GMT -5 rnrk supports BLM said:

Because pro wrestling was very popular during the late '90s and is largely a niche product today, leading some fans to believe that everything that is different about modern-day WWE is detrimental to the show.

It's kinda always been a niche product at its core, though. During Rock'n Wrestling and Attitude, even though the mainstream press was more fascinated with it at the time, it was still a morbid fascination. They weren't ever going to take it 100% seriously, whether it was TV-PG or TV-14.

Really, all I ask for is a fun product (through intented or unintended means), maybe the odd bladejob when needed and I'm set. I can go elsewhere for my sex, gore and profanity needs.

[Deleted]

Raunch equals better times in a pre-internet time when you're 12 and salacious material is only available through magazines or a very slow modem connection.

Now they can't compare to the internet for pure raunch so they have to give people what the internet can't.... in a way.

Why do a certain sect of people hate it so much? Because its not what they grew up with. Its like when a comic book character is dramatically changed - the character could be a good still but because its so different people are turned off by it.

[Savage Gambino]

Oct 7, 2011 16:14:12 GMT -5 Indiana Miz said:

I think a lot of the people on Youtube that have a problem with PG are people that started watching wrestling in the Attitude Era and didn't watch afterwards, so that think wrestling should be all about language, blood, and nudity. Something I find funny is when people on youtube complain about the PG rating, and they don't even know what it was before. I've seen people say "WWE needs go back to being TV-MA/ Rated-R and get rid of the kiddy PG-13 crap." When they think of PG, they think of this:

Yeah, well any era can look bad if you just look at the worst parts. Most of the talk about the Attitude Era is about the maybe handful of stuff that worked. There was a lot of stuff that happened in that era that at best just didn't work, and at worst is best forgotten. Stuff that Mae Young giving birth to a hand even pales in comparison to.

Hell, one thing this era has given us is a chance for more pure wrestlers to get over. I have a pretty good feeling that someone like Daniel Bryan would have been labeled as "boring" (or a "vanilla midget" by the old WCW brain trust) in comparison to the loudmouths and brawlers that got over in that era.

[Confused Mark Wahlberg]

I hate kids and anything that panders to them.

[Ryback on a Pole!]

My big dislike of PG is that the current creative team seemed to be under the impression that PG= lame "comedy" skits of the sort you get on low budget children's shows when shows like Fresh Prince, Futurama and more recently, FiM have proved that you can be a PG (or below) show and still remain funny without resorting to the sort of lame crap that WWE creative thrust upon us.

PG wasn't the problem. Crappy writing was the problem.

[Unocal 76]

Agree with what Krimson said.

The WWE was PG at times in the Hulkamania/Rock n Wrestling era, but didn't go too kiddie friendly.

[Celgress]

Oct 7, 2011 15:48:36 GMT -5 Krimzon said:

It represents the WWE's current way of thinking. The stigma the PG Era has is that the WWE has gone out of their way to remove what was deemed as "cool" just so they could play to the 12 & Under crowd, alienating their older fanbase.

[SEAN CARLESS]

Oct 7, 2011 16:50:53 GMT -5 Confused Mark Wahlberg said:

I hate kids and anything that panders to them.

You know what's funny? It's not the kids. It's their parents. Kids are really versatile, and not these fragile beings my moronic generation paints them out to be. Things are catered to these types of silly overprotective parents --to appease THEM, and make THEM feel good. WWE actually had a higher percentage of kids watching during the smuttier era in the 90's, apparently. Like significantly larger.

The biggest misconception right now is that kids are their entire (or even bulk) audience. They're not. Not even close. It still skews in the late 30's (and male) apparently. Kids are just the target; to hook them. But they're not there yet.