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Post by Deleted on Oct 9, 2011 17:36:02 GMT -5
Fair enough, but they should have called an audible or something. As it was, it just stopped the match dead in its tracks and pissed off the crowd - they could have easily had Shelton rush up and grab the title, then drop it back to Christian on Tuesday. Or at the Rumble, which would have spared us a bit of that never-ending Christian / Regal & Friends feud. so you're recommending a dramatic storyline change for little bit of blood. Plus it sets a bad precendent. What if John Cena got busted open in a match against say Tyler Reks? In that case, if it was something bad Cena could awkwardly finish him off. My point in suggesting Benjamin win for this one is, y'know, with an eye issue Christian climbing a ladder isn't exactly safe.
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Post by agent817 on Oct 13, 2011 23:23:37 GMT -5
Question regarding blood, did they ever edit Brodus Clay's bleeding from the Extreme Rules DVD/Blu-Ray? I read that looked like a crime scene.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Oct 13, 2011 23:28:52 GMT -5
Question regarding blood, did they ever edit Brodus Clay's bleeding from the Extreme Rules DVD/Blu-Ray? I read that looked like a crime scene. IDK if they edited it out but while it did look bad, you can only see it for a few seconds. When I was watching the show I was like "wtf? Is that blood?" and didn't find out that it actually was blood until I visited the forum later.
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Post by Sumbody Gon' Get Dey Kneelift on Oct 14, 2011 0:49:15 GMT -5
I miss blood. Not ashamed to say it.
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Post by agent817 on Oct 22, 2011 17:45:06 GMT -5
Well, blood does add intensity to a match. However, with other things, I can see how WWE can go a little too far with their PG scenario. Look at last year in the summertime when the divas wrestled in a match in one piece swimsuits, when the year before, they wore bikinis (Especially seeing Mickie James in that ever so sexy Native American style bikini).
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Post by Lancers on Oct 22, 2011 18:03:29 GMT -5
So if I'm getting this right, the YWC stands for Youtube Wrestling Community or is it the Yemeni Waffle Consortium because I used to be a member of both groups. Apparently the krumkake is frowned upon in certain Middle Eastern countries. But they're still a more reasonable group to deal with than a bunch of cynical asshole teenagers.
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 22, 2011 22:56:57 GMT -5
I think for YouTube, it's like others have said: anything older is automatically better, no matter what. It's a silly mindset in a lot of cases, but it's YouTube, what can ya do?
However, in terms of what's wrong with the product today: I make no bones about it that I not only grew up with the "Hulkamania Era", that era also happens to be my favorite time for wrestling (mid 80's through early 90's). There's no doubt about it that all mainstream pro wrestling in that time was decidedly aimed at a younger crowd, but even watching it now there's so much I appreciate about the booking approach and methodology that we just don't see anymore of today.
To me, what's wrong today is that they want to appeal to a younger audience, but they don't want to go all the way with it, in a sense. The Hulkamania Era shows were skewed young, but they were consistent in their content. That way, when somebody showed up and rocked the boat, such as when Jake Roberts smacked Miss Elizabeth, it's a show-stopper, and the crowd reacts big time.
I think they try to walk a fine line these days between "kiddy" and "grown up", and instead just do a pale imitation of both. "Kiddy" suddenly no longer means bright, exciting gimmicks, fun heroes, or dastardly villains, it means incredibly immature and, frankly, lame comedy. "Grown Up" doesn't mean logical, well constructed angles and character development, it means insider references/jokes and occasional swearing.
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Post by Krazee on Oct 22, 2011 22:58:05 GMT -5
no blood, no boobies, no cursing
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Post by queenbee on Oct 23, 2011 1:19:38 GMT -5
YWC makes me shake my head.
I grew up with the attitude era, I was just 10 when my boy classmates started the crotch chops and I started tuning into WWF. My father did not want me watching it, so every late night I stay up on weekdays when Raw is War was on and sneak onto the living room to watch when all are asleep. Do I miss the attitude era? Hell yes! All the blood, gore, sex and violence I was exposed to at a young age. TLC matches, buried alive matches, bra & panties match, hardcore matches, DX playing strip poker, et al. All the sexual innuendo's one can learn, I learned by watching WWF. But then when I started watching WWF early 90s I could see that little kids were at fron row shows, WCW had kids booing on Jean Paul Levesque. When WWF started getting raunchy and sleazy, they alienated their kiddie fans, and had the oldies started getting disgusted by the product. That's what I think is happening right now, some people who grew up thru attitude era had been turned off by the PG Era and the internetz whine about Cena and the kiddie fans. So for me, I say even as a fan who had been thru watching A.E, we can all let it go, this is something new and WWE iz bizness, they need more sponsors, back in A.E all the major sponsors they lost, FCC are warning them and all. And so, wrasslin is becoming quality again, just look at the matches since Summerslam, so it's still about the wrasslin, the era comes and goes
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Post by clashofchampains on Oct 23, 2011 5:57:02 GMT -5
Young men don't like to be told that what they are going to watch will be "safer". Look at the uproar caused by the knowing that a movie will be censored.
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Post by clashofchampains on Oct 23, 2011 6:05:14 GMT -5
I think for YouTube, it's like others have said: anything older is automatically better, no matter what. It's a silly mindset in a lot of cases, but it's YouTube, what can ya do? However, in terms of what's wrong with the product today: I make no bones about it that I not only grew up with the "Hulkamania Era", that era also happens to be my favorite time for wrestling (mid 80's through early 90's). There's no doubt about it that all mainstream pro wrestling in that time was decidedly aimed at a younger crowd, but even watching it now there's so much I appreciate about the booking approach and methodology that we just don't see anymore of today. To me, what's wrong today is that they want to appeal to a younger audience, but they don't want to go all the way with it, in a sense. The Hulkamania Era shows were skewed young, but they were consistent in their content. That way, when somebody showed up and rocked the boat, such as when Jake Roberts smacked Miss Elizabeth, it's a show-stopper, and the crowd reacts big time. I think they try to walk a fine line these days between "kiddy" and "grown up", and instead just do a pale imitation of both. "Kiddy" suddenly no longer means bright, exciting gimmicks, fun heroes, or dastardly villains, it means incredibly immature and, frankly, lame comedy. "Grown Up" doesn't mean logical, well constructed angles and character development, it means insider references/jokes and occasional swearing. I just feel like mainstream entertainment these days wants to go back to what people were doing in the 80s but even more sanitized. The WWF in the 80s had cartoonish characters but grown up loved it too. And the feuds were more intense than what they were now. Same thing with music. The pop scene now has Justing Beaber and stuff like that to attract kids but the pop scene was stronger in the 80s but it was Michael Jackson, Cindy Lauper, Culture Club and Madonna. It was relatively safe but there was an edge to it(Madonna singing was singing "Like a Virgin" and kids liked it!). These guys were great, original creators. Everything is too safe too, like everything was made from a cheese factory.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Oct 23, 2011 6:39:21 GMT -5
It's YouTube. 95% of the people who post comments on there are trolls or flame artists. I recently ran afoul of a guy who trolls Andre the Giant videos saying Khali and Giant Gonzalez were far superior wrestlers than Andre ever was.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 12:05:33 GMT -5
Lack of blood and lack of intense rivalries, two things that were a part of the "kiddie" era of the '80s.
Blood was used to sell an intense rivalry. Cage matches rarely went blood-free, because the chain-link fence was presented to us as something that could tear your face up. (Hence why you rarely saw those on TV.) Plus, they didn't just present a cage match until the feud got to such a fever pitch that nothing else can settle the issue. Either the heel kept running off so the face couldn't get the upper hand, or the heel had guys running in on his behalf to save him from a loss. You were stuck in a cage because it kept both guys in and the heel would actually have to face his good guy enemy without the luxury of running away to keep his opponent from exacting his revenge.
Outlaw Ron Bass "ripping Brutus Beefcake's forehead to shreds" with his cowboy spurs was a huge deal. They would "block it out" with a huge red X on the screen, but you could still see a shot of Brutus's bloody forehead here and there. You felt for Brutus, you wanted him to come back and get revenge.
The rivalries with wanting to take a guy out of the picture, they're just starting to come back with that with the Mark Henry push. Know why he's so over right now? He's putting guys on the shelf with moves that are believable, crushing ankles and squashing guys with his brutality. You're thinking, "Who can stop this guy?" I'm sure you all remember Randy Savage trying to not only end Ricky Steamboat's career but end his life with the ring bell. That turned Savage from "guy who wants George Steele to stay away from his woman" to "psychopathic lunatic" in one segment. Lack of really "crazy guys" these days just make WWE seem like a neutered company. There are no guys out there trying to end John Cena's career and make a name for themselves. Mark Henry is just the start of what I hope is another guy awaiting to go nuts on Raw.
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Post by SAJ Forth on Oct 23, 2011 13:01:48 GMT -5
Every generation sees things in a more positive light that occurred during their youth. They also tend to ignored the negatives. Each era in wrestling had good and bad. Those who grew up with the Hulkamania are more likely to have fonder memories of that time than some who grew up during the Attitude Era. Plus many people see children as the reason why wrestling is suffering now. Nevermind the fact that the same argument happened during the 80's and early 90's. And there were complainants of the Attitude Era being too racy and raunchy from adult fans. This is something I agree with.
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Post by arrogantmodel on Oct 23, 2011 14:37:33 GMT -5
Question regarding blood, did they ever edit Brodus Clay's bleeding from the Extreme Rules DVD/Blu-Ray? I read that looked like a crime scene. IDK if they edited it out but while it did look bad, you can only see it for a few seconds. When I was watching the show I was like "wtf? Is that blood?" and didn't find out that it actually was blood until I visited the forum later. The match is on the Ladder Match 2 DVD, and it is unedited. You see Clay laying on the outside with blood all over the mats. It's not Joey Mercury bad, but it is obvious.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2011 14:42:32 GMT -5
WWE doesn't understand balance too well.
Women can be sexy without being sex objects.
You can have violent matches without them being bloodbaths.
People can swear without it being The Wire.
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