Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on Feb 1, 2006 12:53:25 GMT -5
Vince McMahon, Dusty Rhodes, Billy Graham, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Karl Gotch (inspired puroresu), El Santo, Gory Guerrero, Dynamite Kid, Antonio Inoki, Rikidouzan, Giant Baba, The Sheik, Freddie Blassie, Eric Bischoff and Paul Heyman
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2006 12:56:51 GMT -5
How the hell is Gene Okerlund influential?! Probably because, being the best interviewer ever, he made people want to watch because of the chemistry he shared with say... Hulk Hogan, amongst others? He was influential on the televisual aspect of things... and we all know that the fans are the business. You know something Mean Gene...? is easily one of the top 100 wrestling phrases. And all the Warrior's influence on the business seems to be negative. LOL Weren't you just defending him in comparison to the negative actions of the WWE on 'The Self Destruction...' a week or so ago? Anyway, Warrior is pretty damn influential in retrospect. I hate the guy, but I don't deny the impact of his career up to WM VI. Chyna played a pretty big role in WWE 1997-2000. I can't stand her either, but to say she didn't have an impact on the business is ludicrous. I don't mind Chyna at all. Though, how she manages to beat the people I'd mentioned is beyond me.
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Post by revelations on Feb 1, 2006 12:58:14 GMT -5
Vince McMahon, Dusty Rhodes, Billy Graham, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Karl Gotch (inspired puroresu), El Santo, Gory Guerrero, Dynamite Kid, Antonio Inoki, Rikidouzan, Giant Baba, The Sheik, Freddie Blassie, Eric Bischoff and Paul Heyman You're supposed to be contributing to the list, not making your own. Most of those guys have already been included.
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Post by revelations on Feb 1, 2006 13:01:43 GMT -5
No. I was pointing out the holes in WWE's weak and hypocritical case against him. Conversely, that may be seen as a defense for Warrior, but it wasn't my intention - I was simply listing the reasons why their arguements were so weak.
Warrior's influence to me would be that he spawned Goldbergs and Kanes (although Kane has much more talent)...hosses who got by more on intensity, gimmicks, entrances and props...rather than actually learning how to wrestle. Anyway, you're probably right...he does belong in there.
Has Andre been mentioned yet? He definitely belongs on that list. Also the nWo and Jim Cornette.
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Post by Slammywinner on Feb 1, 2006 13:04:25 GMT -5
Why no respect for the call to list David Arquette. He certainly left a big influence. It was notorious, bad, and we would have been better left without it, but hey, bad influence is influence.
On a lighter note, I nomitae The Crusher. Stone Cold stole this man's attitude and he was an AWA staple.
I'll also offer up the Road Warriors and the Dudley's for obvious tag team impacts.
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Post by revelations on Feb 1, 2006 13:05:31 GMT -5
I think the Arquette thing was more of a Russo concoction. He generally takes credit for that mess, whereas Arquette was just a pawn.
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Post by Hollywood Cthulhu on Feb 1, 2006 13:06:24 GMT -5
Can someone repost the entire list so far?
I'm not sure if he's been mentioned yet, but Verne Gagne was very influential. He had an amazing eye for talent, and his focus on wrestling fundamentals and conditioning at his training camps produced some of the greatest workers of all time. You can also say that his stubborn refusal to change with the times resulted in the first WWF talent influx in the mid eighties. Hulk Hogan, Mr. Perfect, Shawn Michaels, Road Warriors, Ric Flair, Ricky Steamboat, and Bobby Heenan all came up in the AWA and were trained in Verne's camp.
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Post by Chris Decker-The Wild Rover on Feb 1, 2006 13:06:40 GMT -5
Bruno Sammartino, longest reigning champ off all time, how can he be so overlooked.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2006 13:08:00 GMT -5
No. I was pointing out the holes in WWE's weak and hypocritical case against him. Conversely, that may be seen as a defense for Warrior, but it wasn't my intention - I was simply listing the reasons why their arguements were so weak. Warrior's influence to me would be that he spawned Goldbergs and Kanes (although Kane has much more talent)...hosses who got by more on intensity, gimmicks, entrances and props...rather than actually learning how to wrestle. Anyway, you're probably right...he does belong in there. Has Andre been mentioned yet? He definitely belongs on that list. Also the nWo and Jim Cornette. Yeah, but - and I can't believe I'm making a positive check list about Warrior - he's actually the one guy that took over Hulk Hogan in terms of popularity when Hogan was at his peak. The guy actually made you choose between him and Hogan, and it was the first real Face Vs Face battle at anywhere near that level. I mean, that is quite something. Edit: I was about to mention Sammartino before getting involved in the above discussion.
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Post by revelations on Feb 1, 2006 13:10:49 GMT -5
You're right. I agree. Plus, all the stuff involving the court case with McMahon, gaining the rights to his charcter, etc, his numerous returns, huge selling Legends action figure, etc proves he does have a big influence in the business.
Hell, he was in wrestling for a total of about five years, retired eight years ago, and is still talked about today. I can't believe we are sharing reasons why Warrior should be on this list either...but it has happened.
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Post by Tom on Feb 1, 2006 13:12:57 GMT -5
Tell the truth, he wasn't the only guy... there was of course, our good pal, Mr Roberts. Muahahaha.
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Post by BrianZane on Feb 1, 2006 13:32:37 GMT -5
Some guy on pwinsider.com already put up a list like this a year or so ago. If I remember correctly, he put Paul Heyman at 100, Hogan at 2, and Vince McMahon at 1. There are plenty of people in-between who I either have never heard of, or people who influenced the business long ago and who don't get talked about much these days.
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Joekishi
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Post by Joekishi on Feb 1, 2006 13:34:35 GMT -5
Vince McMahon, Dusty Rhodes, Billy Graham, Hulk Hogan, Ric Flair, Karl Gotch (inspired puroresu), El Santo, Gory Guerrero, Dynamite Kid, Antonio Inoki, Rikidouzan, Giant Baba, The Sheik, Freddie Blassie, Eric Bischoff and Paul Heyman You're supposed to be contributing to the list, not making your own. Most of those guys have already been included. I know, just listing them off of the list. seems like a decent enough list
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Post by thepast85 on Feb 1, 2006 13:41:48 GMT -5
Gorilla Monsoon
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Post by Whoa. on Feb 1, 2006 14:07:08 GMT -5
Ron Simmons - First black world champion of any promotion. Also, the Nation of Domination was inventive for it's time and helped The Rock get over.
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Post by chavitoheat on Feb 1, 2006 14:08:13 GMT -5
Maria- very bangable
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 14:32:23 GMT -5
Oh yeah and her impact on the business has been so great, I mean the sheer amount of imitators show that she has pushed the industry to whole new limits...
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2006 14:41:01 GMT -5
Back on topic, probably should include the three musketeers of new japan:
Keiji Mutoh Shin'ya Hashimoto Masahiro Chono Akira Maeda
First three speak for themselves. Maeda for pioneering the shoot-style of pro wrestling giving wrestling a more realistic style. His UWFi was hugely influencial on New Japan's success in the mid to late 90s.
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Post by poweraxe on Feb 1, 2006 17:56:54 GMT -5
since no-ones updating the list il do it for you.
1. Hulk Hogan 2. Vince Russo 3. Jake Roberts 4. Billy Graham 5. Jimmy Snuka 6. Mick Foley 7. Vince McMahon Jr. 8. Bret Hart 9. Eddie Guerrero 10. Steve Austin 11. Paul Heyman 12. George Hackenschmidt 13. Roddy Piper 14. The Shiek 15. Exotic Adrian Street 16. Pat Patterson 17. Ted DiBiase 18. The Road Warriors 19. Gold Dust Trio (Ed Lewis, Toots Mondt, Billy Sandow) 20. Georgeous George 21. Edge and Christian 22. Cyndi Lauper 23. Andre the Giant 24. Rikidozan 25. Antonio Inoki 26. Giant Baba 27. Randy Savage 28. Chris Jericho 29. Sting 30. Shawn Michaels 31. Martin "Farmer" Burns 32. Ric Flair 33. Bobby Heenan 34. Rey Mysterio 35. Psycosis 36. Ted Turner 37. Saturo Sayama (original Tiger Mask) 38. Jushin Liger 39. Dynamite Kid 40. Jeff Hardy 41. El Santo 42. The Rock 43. Chyna 44. DX 45. Bruiser Brody 46. Terry Funk 47. Sabu 48. Jim Johnston 49. Tammy Sytch 50. Andy Kauffman 51. Buddy Rogers 52. The Undertaker 53. Eric Bischoff 54. Dusty Rhodes 55. Antonio Rocca 56. Blue Demon 57. Stu Hart 58. The Von Erichs 59. Lou Thesz 60. The 4 Horseman 61. Miss Elizabeth 62. Riki Choshu 63. Genichiro Tenryu 64. Mitsuharu Misawa 65. Stan Hansen 66. Jumbo Tsuruta 67. Jim Ross 68. Bobo Brazil 69. Mil Mascaras 70. Konnan 71. Vampiro 72. Dr Wagner 73. Brain Pillman 74. The Great Sasuke 75. Atsushi Onita 76. Gordon Solie 77. The Grand Wizard Ernie Roth 78. Michael Hayes 79. Kurt Angle 80. Triple H 81. The Freebirds 82. Verne Gagne 83. Jerry Lawler 84. Fred Blassie 85. Trish Stratus 86. Jesse Ventura 87. Gorilla Monsoon 88. Nikolai Volkoff and Nikita Koloff and Ivan Koloff 89. The Rock & Roll Express 90. Harley Race 91. Vince McMahon Sr. 92. Bill Watts 93. Gene Okerlund 94. Bob Backlund 95. The Ultimate Warrior 96. Gory Guerrero 97. Ricky Steamboat 98. The Briscoe Brothers 99. Chris Benoit 100. Ed "The Strangler" Lewis 101. Karl Gotch 102. The nWo 103. Jim Cornette 104. The Crusher 105. The Dudley's 106. Bruno Sammartino 107. Ron Simmons 108. Keiji Mutoh 109. Shin'ya Hashimoto 110. Masahiro Chono 111. Akira Maeda 112. Hayabusa
Well it looks like the list has gone somewhat over, maybe its time to take out some of the lesser names off this list.
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Post by revelations on Feb 1, 2006 17:59:20 GMT -5
Well Jeff Hardy and Cyndi Lauper can go for starters.
Ditto most of those Japanese guys.
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