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Post by Cela on Mar 29, 2012 0:04:02 GMT -5
Continuity, is the big deal. I could give a s*** less if he was black, indian, chinese, whatever. But Peter Parker's white. Always has been. It's not a big deal to the story, but that's just what Peter Parker is, white. How is it a manner of continuity if it's a reboot? Peter Parker is a character of fiction with no racial implications to his origin or story. Splitting hairs about his race makes as much sense to me as being upset the Green Goblin is on his Glider instead of his rocket-broomstick the first time we see him. Should no black actors ever play Romeo? Your reasoning for getting upset about a movie where Peter Parker is black seems comparable for being upset his origin story doesn't take place in 1962. That's when he was bit by the spider, right? Or creative people could come up with new characters. Replacing the race of a character just speaks of stunt casting. You could make Superman a woman, and some groups would cheer and thank the comic industry for finally writing a strong female role. But a larger group would collectively facepalm.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 29, 2012 0:36:53 GMT -5
How is it a manner of continuity if it's a reboot? Peter Parker is a character of fiction with no racial implications to his origin or story. Splitting hairs about his race makes as much sense to me as being upset the Green Goblin is on his Glider instead of his rocket-broomstick the first time we see him. Should no black actors ever play Romeo? Your reasoning for getting upset about a movie where Peter Parker is black seems comparable for being upset his origin story doesn't take place in 1962. That's when he was bit by the spider, right? Or creative people could come up with new characters. Replacing the race of a character just speaks of stunt casting. You could make Superman a woman, and some groups would cheer and thank the comic industry for finally writing a strong female role. But a larger group would collectively facepalm. So, black Nick Fury is stunt casting?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Mar 29, 2012 0:38:34 GMT -5
At this point..............does it really matter as long as he can do the role well.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 29, 2012 0:39:01 GMT -5
Or creative people could come up with new characters. Replacing the race of a character just speaks of stunt casting. You could make Superman a woman, and some groups would cheer and thank the comic industry for finally writing a strong female role. But a larger group would collectively facepalm. So, black Nick Fury is stunt casting? That one gets a pass because Marvel had already modeled their Ultimate Nick Fury after Sam Jackson years before casting him as Fury in the films.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 29, 2012 0:42:17 GMT -5
Or creative people could come up with new characters. Replacing the race of a character just speaks of stunt casting. You could make Superman a woman, and some groups would cheer and thank the comic industry for finally writing a strong female role. But a larger group would collectively facepalm. So, black Nick Fury is stunt casting? He already existed in the Ultimate line of comic books, modeled after Jackson himself, that is called Nick Fury. However, pretty sure there isn't any Ian Fleming books with Bond as a black guy, or an Asian guy, or a Latino guy, or as a lesbian, or whatever variation of the James Bond story.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 29, 2012 2:04:15 GMT -5
So, black Nick Fury is stunt casting? That one gets a pass because Marvel had already modeled their Ultimate Nick Fury after Sam Jackson years before casting him as Fury in the films. But had they cast Nick Fury in a movie as a black guy before modeling their Ultimates character, that would have been wrong?
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 29, 2012 2:06:25 GMT -5
That one gets a pass because Marvel had already modeled their Ultimate Nick Fury after Sam Jackson years before casting him as Fury in the films. But had they cast Nick Fury in a movie as a black guy before modeling their Ultimates character, that would have been wrong? Woulda been dumb, certainly, yeah, to change up an established character just for the sake of "Oh, awesome, Sam Jackson!".
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Mar 29, 2012 2:11:03 GMT -5
There are only two black actors that I think should even be considered for playing Bond, Idris Elba is one of them. The other is Chiwetel moherf***ing Ejiofor.
Now not saying either one should actually BE Bond, but if they wanted to contemplate a black Bond, those are the only two acceptable options, imo.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Mar 29, 2012 2:34:40 GMT -5
But had they cast Nick Fury in a movie as a black guy before modeling their Ultimates character, that would have been wrong? Woulda been dumb, certainly, yeah, to change up an established character just for the sake of "Oh, awesome, Sam Jackson!". Exactly. The issue has nothing to do with race, and I hate when these kinds of arguments come up. People want to see characters look like themselves, be it their costumes, their hair, or their skin color. The same people who would be mad over a black James Bond or Nick Fury would be just as pissed about a white Luke Cage or Blade.
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Post by Cela on Mar 29, 2012 2:44:10 GMT -5
Woulda been dumb, certainly, yeah, to change up an established character just for the sake of "Oh, awesome, Sam Jackson!". Exactly. The issue has nothing to do with race, and I hate when these kinds of arguments come up. People want to see characters look like themselves, be it their costumes, their hair, or their skin color. The same people who would be mad over a black James Bond or Nick Fury would be just as pissed about a white Luke Cage or Blade. Great, now I have an image of a white Luke Cage saying Sweet Christmas... like Bing Crosby.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 29, 2012 2:46:18 GMT -5
Woulda been dumb, certainly, yeah, to change up an established character just for the sake of "Oh, awesome, Sam Jackson!". Exactly. The issue has nothing to do with race, and I hate when these kinds of arguments come up. People want to see characters look like themselves, be it their costumes, their hair, or their skin color. The same people who would be mad over a black James Bond or Nick Fury would be just as pissed about a white Luke Cage or Blade. Yup. If a Luke Cage movie got announced tomorrow and he was cast as.....Jason Statham, for the sake of the argument, I'd think it would be just as dumb as Donald Glover as Spider-Man. Luke Cage is black. Period.
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Post by Cela on Mar 29, 2012 2:51:20 GMT -5
Exactly. The issue has nothing to do with race, and I hate when these kinds of arguments come up. People want to see characters look like themselves, be it their costumes, their hair, or their skin color. The same people who would be mad over a black James Bond or Nick Fury would be just as pissed about a white Luke Cage or Blade. Yup. If a Luke Cage movie got announced tomorrow and he was cast as.....Jason Statham, for the sake of the argument, I'd think it would be just as dumb as Donald Glover as Spider-Man. Luke Cage is black. Period. Nah, Jason Statham is more a Black Panther. Channing Tatum is more a Luke Cage.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 29, 2012 2:53:40 GMT -5
Yup. If a Luke Cage movie got announced tomorrow and he was cast as.....Jason Statham, for the sake of the argument, I'd think it would be just as dumb as Donald Glover as Spider-Man. Luke Cage is black. Period. Nah, Jason Statham is more a Black Panther. Channing Tatum is more a Luke Cage. Good call. I was just struggling for a white "action guy", and Statham's the first name that popped into my head. That said, yeah, Jason Statham as Black Panther would have been the better simile.
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Post by FinalGwen on Mar 29, 2012 3:55:16 GMT -5
I still wish Paul McGann could have been Bond at the time that Brosnan got it. Awesome actor. And, on a related note, I don't believe the argument that James Bond is a codename to explain the appearance changes. The answer's far simpler. James Bond is a Time Lord, currently in his 7th incarnation. 1, Sean Connery 2. George Lazenby 3. Roger Moore 4. Timothy Dalton 5. Pierce Brosnan 6. Daniel Craig Are we counting Barry Nelson or David Niven to make it 7? Silly me, looked at Wikipedia and got confused by Connery appearing after Lazenby as well.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 29, 2012 4:29:32 GMT -5
Woulda been dumb, certainly, yeah, to change up an established character just for the sake of "Oh, awesome, Sam Jackson!". Exactly. The issue has nothing to do with race, and I hate when these kinds of arguments come up. People want to see characters look like themselves, be it their costumes, their hair, or their skin color. The same people who would be mad over a black James Bond or Nick Fury would be just as pissed about a white Luke Cage or Blade. See, I just don't see skin color as part of a character's "look." Just as I don't need an Electro with a giant lightning bolt mask or my X-Men covered in brightly colored spandex, I don't think race HAS to be a factor in terms of a truthful portrayal of a fictional character. Even a white Luke Cage makes sense (as long as it isn't a period piece). He's an inner-city youth send to prison for a crime he didn't commit and through being powerless becomes literally empowered. From what I've read, the whole character's about overcoming societal oppression. As for Spider-Man, retelling the origin story from the perspective of a black Peter Parker is one of the few interesting ways that would warrant the reboot of a decade-old franchise. If they aren't going to make Spider-Man 4 (and if you've seen the script you know what a blessing that is) I just don't see the merit in making such a similar looking movie to the first so soon unless you take it down an interesting avenue.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 29, 2012 6:22:03 GMT -5
At this point..............does it really matter as long as he can do the role well. Apparently, to a lot of people, it does.
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Post by Hit Girl on Mar 29, 2012 7:08:19 GMT -5
A black 007 would be fine.
The only requirement I have of an actor playing James Bond is that his nationality be restricted to actors from the British Isles.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Mar 29, 2012 10:30:08 GMT -5
Nah, Jason Statham is more a Black Panther. Channing Tatum is more a Luke Cage. Good call. I was just struggling for a white "action guy", and Statham's the first name that popped into my head. That said, yeah, Jason Statham as Black Panther would have been the better simile. Black Panther wouldn't work though as his race/nationality is a fairly important part of the character; as with him it's not just skin tone, but he's king of Wakanda. Cage you could kinda finagle with for the reasons mentioned in that really he could be an inner city dude of any race and it wouldn't be that affecting. That said, to be honest, even though I'd be ok with Idris as Bond provided they did do some explaining of the race change, I'm not a big fan changing characters like a Peter Parker or a Luke Cage from what they've been just because that's what they've been. For me, it doesn't really have to do with whether or not there's a needed racial component of the character or not, I'm just not a big fan of change for the sake of change. It's like yeah, a white Spidey or a black Luke Cage aren't really necessary to tell stories about their character, that's totally true, but then changing it either way isn't a necessary thing either. Peter Parker with mutton chops and a handlebar mustache wouldn't affect the core of the character either, but it'd also be a fairly unnecessary change.
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Post by Next Level was WRONG on Mar 29, 2012 10:40:06 GMT -5
The only thing I care about is that Bond has a Scottish accent again.
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Post by Michael Coello on Mar 29, 2012 11:02:14 GMT -5
Woulda been dumb, certainly, yeah, to change up an established character just for the sake of "Oh, awesome, Sam Jackson!". Exactly. The issue has nothing to do with race, and I hate when these kinds of arguments come up. People want to see characters look like themselves, be it their costumes, their hair, or their skin color. The same people who would be mad over a black James Bond or Nick Fury would be just as pissed about a white Luke Cage or Blade. Funny enough, Blade was white during the 90's Spider-man cartoon.
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