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Post by norsisclouds on Jul 26, 2012 11:00:25 GMT -5
Is he trying to get fired? This is how to pull a Matt Hardy 101.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 11:52:49 GMT -5
This guy comes off as the ultimate whiner. It's really off-putting.
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 26, 2012 12:01:25 GMT -5
Is he trying to get fired? This is how to pull a Matt Hardy 101. At least Matt's always been nice to his followers, unlike Ryder who's apparently distant a lot of the time.
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Post by KobashiChop on Jul 26, 2012 12:22:38 GMT -5
He is absolutely right and he has my sympathy for this. He was made to look like a complete bitch in that storyline. Completely crushed him after he had one of the great midcard title wins of the modern era.
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Post by xCompackx on Jul 26, 2012 12:34:55 GMT -5
He is absolutely right and he has my sympathy for this. He was made to look like a complete bitch in that storyline. Completely crushed him after he had one of the great midcard title wins of the modern era. Yeah, but almost every main eventer in the WWE has had to look like a complete bitch in a storyline at some point in their career. I agree that Ryder hasn't had a ton of chances lately to get over, but his gimmick only can go so long before people move on.
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Post by Jonathan Michaels on Jul 26, 2012 12:40:22 GMT -5
Killing his career is a bit too far, he can still recover and he's still over with the crowd. However, that storyline undoubtedly killed his momentum and made him look like a fool. The fact that he stuck around with Eve even AFTER she had specifically told everyone that he'd used Cena and Zack to further her career was completely idiotic. As for the US title, I'm fine with anyone on the roster, even another babyface like Zack, taking the title off of Santino. I just wish everyone would stop blaming Santino, it's not his fault how they booked his title run. They seem to think letting him hold the belt a while builds up his character, but they forget the part where he defends it well. Remember that match against Swagger and Ziggler the Raw after Mania? If they kept booking him that way, this wouldn't be a problem.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Jul 26, 2012 13:09:29 GMT -5
He is absolutely right and he has my sympathy for this. He was made to look like a complete bitch in that storyline. Completely crushed him after he had one of the great midcard title wins of the modern era. Yeah, but almost every main eventer in the WWE has had to look like a complete bitch in a storyline at some point in their career. I agree that Ryder hasn't had a ton of chances lately to get over, but his gimmick only can go so long before people move on. His push was still too fresh to do that to him, though. The guy had just been put over by Hugh Jackman, a Hollywood A-Lister and easily the biggest star ever in the guest star era of WWE. To just waste all of that is absurd.
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Post by ________ has left the building on Jul 26, 2012 13:12:24 GMT -5
Zack is taking the Internet thing a little too far.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 26, 2012 13:14:35 GMT -5
He's not wrong, really, the Kane/Eve thing was a big roadblock for him, but I don't know how smart it is to talk about it so bluntly.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jul 26, 2012 13:15:35 GMT -5
He's got a point. That whole thing massively derailed his momentum.
I can see where he'd be frustrated, after working so hard to get to a somewhat prominent position within the company, to seemingly being punished for doing so.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 26, 2012 13:17:20 GMT -5
He's got a point. That whole thing massively derailed his momentum. I can see where he'd be frustrated, after working so hard to get to a somewhat prominent position within the company, to seemingly being punished for doing so. The thing is, the reason I think this is dumb, looking at Ryder. Is he talented? Yes. Is he over? Against all odds, yeah. But, above all else, what else is Ryder? Replaceable. There's a dozen guys in the undercard and developmental that would kill for his spot. Maybe he's adopting a "squeaky wheel gets the grease" plan, but it might bite him on the ass.
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Post by Brother Nero....Wolfe on Jul 26, 2012 13:32:26 GMT -5
He's got a point. That whole thing massively derailed his momentum. I can see where he'd be frustrated, after working so hard to get to a somewhat prominent position within the company, to seemingly being punished for doing so. The thing is, the reason I think this is dumb, looking at Ryder. Is he talented? Yes. Is he over? Against all odds, yeah. But, above all else, what else is Ryder? Replaceable. There's a dozen guys in the undercard and developmental that would kill for his spot. Maybe he's adopting a "squeaky wheel gets the grease" plan, but it might bite him on the ass. I don't think Ryder is replaceable in that he's great for the WWE in a social media way, and they are investing heavily on that for now. But character wise? Yeah, you are right. I agree that Ryder hasn't had a ton of chances lately to get over, but his gimmick only can go so long before people move on. To be fair, in that very same interview he mentions how he wants to tune his gimmick a bit to make it work longterm. So even he agrees that his gimmick has a short lifespan.
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Post by mikey_editor on Jul 26, 2012 13:45:53 GMT -5
I have been watchiong this stuff since the '80s. Basically, the Fed is smart ebough to know (which is why they dominate) if someone is over with the whole universe or just a local attraction. Routinely, you get destroyed (remember Show vs. Chocolate Thunder) and then you get rewarded with a run. But, if the fans do not support the comeback you are mid-card and there you stay. Ryder was lucky to get the promotions (mentions and TV time) from Cole and to be in a sequence with an established monster. He doesn't have it with the fans. So, he is what he is. A sixth man (the one to be pinned) in a six-man tag. An early exit in a Battle Royale. Get over your self. Go down to the minors (TNA) and you'll beg for a return.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Jul 26, 2012 13:54:37 GMT -5
The thing is, the reason I think this is dumb, looking at Ryder. Is he talented? Yes. Is he over? Against all odds, yeah. But, above all else, what else is Ryder? Replaceable. There's a dozen guys in the undercard and developmental that would kill for his spot. Maybe he's adopting a "squeaky wheel gets the grease" plan, but it might bite him on the ass. I don't think Ryder is replaceable in that he's great for the WWE in a social media way, and they are investing heavily on that for now. But character wise? Yeah, you are right. I agree that Ryder hasn't had a ton of chances lately to get over, but his gimmick only can go so long before people move on. To be fair, in that very same interview he mentions how he wants to tune his gimmick a bit to make it work longterm. So even he agrees that his gimmick has a short lifespan. On the social media thing, yeah, he kind of opened that door, and made them more aware of it, but I think, past that, he doesn't really do much more than any other guy does.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 26, 2012 14:03:41 GMT -5
The old "shoot comments that aren't supposed to be shoot comments".
Not that he's wrong, his push was basically a rib on the fans. Yeah his acting sucked but that goes for 3 out of the 4 people in the angle. Let us not forget rapeface Cena.
And his acting isn't any worse than AJ's and everyone loves AJ's. Shit, Punk's was pretty bad.
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Post by OGBoardPoster2005 on Jul 26, 2012 15:45:38 GMT -5
The storyline sucked plain and simple. I'll never understand the feud for the life of me.
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Post by DSR on Jul 26, 2012 15:56:02 GMT -5
I'm probably the only person who thought of Zack just calling his cable company with some problem, and then winding up transitioning the conversation to the Kane/Eve feud for no real reason.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Jul 26, 2012 16:23:01 GMT -5
I just thought up the perfect comparison to this entire storyline. It's like JWOWW doing Macbeth. Ryder shouldn't have to be expected to do a dramatic storyline well. He should be their go to guy to get the crowd hyped up and get them to chant stupid things. Instead, they put him in a soap opera story that SHOULD have made some character progression for John Cena, and wound up regressing Ryder's and progressing Eve's instead. Santino was in a dramatic storyline too, at the beginning of his career. That tanked. So now they have him handing out dolls and dressing up like Holmes backstage and wearing a sock on his hand. He's sure as hell over now. That's the kind of thing Ryder should be doing; playing to the crowd and trying to make them laugh, not playing a foil to a storyline with an awful payoff. It's true that he shouldn't be expected to do serious stuff, but it seems like A LOT of people wanted him to be more serious. It just goes to show you that hard work does not equal deserved success. Hard work means you should get a chance, not get a push. He didn't get a chance though. He got "United States Champion" on his resume, but all that was for him was a feel-good moment, not an actual "chance". Why not give Dolph Ziggler a rematch for the belt at the Royal Rumble (instead of Dolph's annual filler World Title match that he was obviously going to lose) so that Zack could prove that he wasn't a fluke? Ryder & Ziggler never even got the chance to have a proper feud, because they booked Ziggler to barely acknowledge Ryder and he would always be doing something else, like multiman tag main events, jobber fodder for Orton, or taking part in the Conspiracy angle. He could still drop the belt to Swagger, the match could've still been a glorified squash, but at least Ryder would've shined for a little bit before he bombed. He's better off than Alex Riley is now, but at least Riley's failed push was given some effort. Ryder was given none.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2012 16:26:59 GMT -5
Ryder is a one note wrestler that wasn't going anywhere anyways.
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Post by Magician under the moonlight on Jul 26, 2012 16:27:59 GMT -5
I am still surprised that he did not have an interaction with EVE when he was GM.
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