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Post by joebob27 on Jul 31, 2012 8:24:43 GMT -5
This is one of these things, that likely a year from now, most of the people will say "what the hell were we thinking?"
But obviously Vickie was worse than awful and found a niche. So it's possible. Still she is in absolutely no way a talented "actor". Yes, I understand wrestlers suck at that. But they also wrestle and cut promos, which eliminates the need for acting most of the time.
GM characters don't get this benefit.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 31, 2012 8:26:18 GMT -5
I cant stand AJ but i guess she looks good so theres that,still all she does is steal Bryans catchphrase and skip, but now can make matches,and wear suit,and to many that makes her the best in the company. I wont knock her fans at all,just i cant see the fascination with AJ at all, apart from her cuteness which is always the thing i hear most when hearing about her. Because she does more than steal Bryan's catchphrases and skip. The central reason that I can see for anyone saying "she's the worst actor in WWE" (which is ridiculous) is that they simply want her off the screen but can't find a legitimate reason why. So instead of attacking the character; they instead now attack the actual person which in my book, is a step too far. No, she hasn't done much more. This is actually an astronomical leap in character development. Her gimmick basically evolved from "prop" to "skip, steal DB's catchphrase, rip off Kane's tilted head "I'm nuts, really" facial." This is another evolution which will require more than that.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jul 31, 2012 9:05:44 GMT -5
And she has more physical charisma than anyone else in the Divas division minus Vickie. Her body language, facial expressions, and so on go a LONG way and people are understating their importance in presenting a character. Totally agree, there's no point in a subtle look behind the eyes in WWE because people in row Z can't see it and as it's live the cameraman might miss it anyway. Broad two-dimensional body language is far more important for conveying emotions and it's something AJ does pretty well, you wouldn't see it in an oscar winner but they in turn wouldn't be performing live in front of 20,000 people and would have multiple takes. Even stage actors usually only have the audience in front of them rather than being surrounded on all sides, plus they have more time to rehearse and do the same thing night after night (which admittedly could be said about many wrestlers). If you think of pretty much any successful wrestler from The Rock to the Bushwhackers you can instantly recall their mannerisms, that's why I'm not so keen on people breaking it down to "just skipping" as that's like saying Hogan "just pointed". You can make most things sound stupid by breaking it down to the core components (works particularly well with sports and videogames).
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Post by Snaptastic on Jul 31, 2012 9:07:34 GMT -5
Because she does more than steal Bryan's catchphrases and skip. The central reason that I can see for anyone saying "she's the worst actor in WWE" (which is ridiculous) is that they simply want her off the screen but can't find a legitimate reason why. So instead of attacking the character; they instead now attack the actual person which in my book, is a step too far. No, she hasn't done much more. This is actually an astronomical leap in character development. Her gimmick basically evolved from "prop" to "skip, steal DB's catchphrase, rip off Kane's tilted head "I'm nuts, really" facial." This is another evolution which will require more than that. Well I don't agree that she's ripping off other characters in that fashion. Her stealing DB's catchphrase is simply used in a manner in which to get inside him mind, hence why he was telling everyone to stop using it. Also I've never seen Kane tilt his head quite like that, but each to their own if you think she's ripping that off also. Hell she once got up on the turnbuckle and when she had her two arms in the air chanting "Yes" at D-Bry & Punk...I could swear she was ripping off Austin for a second or two each time she raised her arms (or maybe even Orton). Oh wait she's wearing a suit and walks out onto the stage. She's completely ripping off Big Johnny, Vince, Linda, Eve, Steph....the list goes on. Yes that is the level of silly we're getting to at this stage.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 31, 2012 9:14:13 GMT -5
No, she hasn't done much more. This is actually an astronomical leap in character development. Her gimmick basically evolved from "prop" to "skip, steal DB's catchphrase, rip off Kane's tilted head "I'm nuts, really" facial." This is another evolution which will require more than that. Well I don't agree that she's ripping off other characters in that fashion. Her stealing DB's catchphrase is simply used in a manner in which to get inside him mind, hence why he was telling everyone to stop using it. Also I've never seen Kane tilt his head quite like that, but each to their own if you think she's ripping that off also. Hell she once got up on the turnbuckle and when she had her two arms in the air chanting "Yes" at D-Bry & Punk...I could swear she was ripping off Austin for a second or two each time she raised her arms (or maybe even Orton). Oh wait she's wearing a suit and walks out onto the stage. She's completely ripping off Big Johnny, Vince, Linda, Eve, Steph....the list goes on. Yes that is the level of silly we're getting to at this stage. Like I said, give it a year. She's not particularly good at anything at this point and the characters they give her rely on her cheesy stilted acting. She's not a wrestler and she's not going to cut promos that are over 20 seconds long. Thankfully, because a 2 minute promo would take 8 minutes. She doesn't have the outs the other guys (and even gals to a point) do. And my description of her literally is what she was as her prior two characters, a prop and walking cheap-heat. Walking cheap-heat gets over, but can it stay over? She could find her niche, if anyone told me Vickie would STILL be on TV now years ago, I may have died of laughter.
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Post by Snaptastic on Jul 31, 2012 9:17:14 GMT -5
Well I don't agree that she's ripping off other characters in that fashion. Her stealing DB's catchphrase is simply used in a manner in which to get inside him mind, hence why he was telling everyone to stop using it. Also I've never seen Kane tilt his head quite like that, but each to their own if you think she's ripping that off also. Hell she once got up on the turnbuckle and when she had her two arms in the air chanting "Yes" at D-Bry & Punk...I could swear she was ripping off Austin for a second or two each time she raised her arms (or maybe even Orton). Oh wait she's wearing a suit and walks out onto the stage. She's completely ripping off Big Johnny, Vince, Linda, Eve, Steph....the list goes on. Yes that is the level of silly we're getting to at this stage. Like I said, give it a year. She's not particularly good at anything at this point and the characters they give her rely on her cheesy stilted acting. She's not a wrestler and she's not going to cut promos that are over 20 seconds long. Thankfully, because a 2 minute promo would take 8 minutes. She doesn't have the outs the other guys (and even gals to a point) do. And my description of her literally is what she was as her prior two characters, a prop and walking cheap-heat. Walking cheap-heat gets over, but can it stay over? She could find her niche, if anyone told me Vickie would STILL be on TV now years ago, I may have died of laughter. I don't know, AJ can go in the ring when she's been given the chance to. But you're right we will see indeed, but I do think some people are being entirely unfair in their assessment. It does to me just smack of utter sour grapes but we'll see as you rightly said. Also I just realised the majority of the board will no understand the reference I made in the thread title. General Lee was a character on a show called Takeshi's Castle which was based on the Japanese game shown "Showdown! Takeshi's Castle". The show I believe was "re-edited" for US audiences and named Most Extreme Challenge or something.
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Post by joebob27 on Jul 31, 2012 9:25:20 GMT -5
Like I said, give it a year. She's not particularly good at anything at this point and the characters they give her rely on her cheesy stilted acting. She's not a wrestler and she's not going to cut promos that are over 20 seconds long. Thankfully, because a 2 minute promo would take 8 minutes. She doesn't have the outs the other guys (and even gals to a point) do. And my description of her literally is what she was as her prior two characters, a prop and walking cheap-heat. Walking cheap-heat gets over, but can it stay over? She could find her niche, if anyone told me Vickie would STILL be on TV now years ago, I may have died of laughter. I don't know, AJ can go in the ring when she's been given the chance to. But you're right we will see indeed, but I do think some people are being entirely unfair in their assessment. It does to me just smack of utter sour grapes but we'll see as you rightly said. Also I just realised the majority of the board will no understand the reference I made in the thread title. General Lee was a character on a show called Takeshi's Castle which was based on the Japanese game shown "Showdown! Takeshi's Castle". The show I believe was "re-edited" for US audiences and named Most Extreme Challenge or something. When I say she's "not a wrestler" I mean they're not having her wrestle. What kept Cheesy Face CM Punk, doing promos he probably didn't like much and lacked any real "intensity" by him, from getting heel heat was... wrestling. Guy also has really good matches. Keeps face heat. She has to go out there and do her act without being able to wrestle and her big feud can only go on so long.
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Post by hassanchop on Jul 31, 2012 9:35:06 GMT -5
General Lee Outrageous?
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Post by CMWaters on Jul 31, 2012 9:50:57 GMT -5
Semi related to the topic at hand:
Celeste Boninþ@KaitlynWWE
I'm thinking of getting @wweajlee a welcoming gift as new GM. Something for her new office.... A pamphlet on fire safety perhaps??
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Post by sunnytaker on Jul 31, 2012 11:00:43 GMT -5
clealry Kane was upset that AJ was made GM or he wouldn;t have tried to burn the place down before the show started.
for now it seems ok- she's mostly serious but still shows hints of crazy if someone gets in her face. i did like the switch to a suit- i was half expecting to see her come skipping out to make decisions. as long as she can stay calling it around the middle (yeah she fed DB to Sheamus but left the actual match type to the poll results so it's not as harsh as some GMs have been- though i think DB will always be on her "screw over" list as GM due to their history) she should be ok.
plus i kinda laughed at Punk screaming at her at the end while she just smiled and made big eyes at him.
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Post by MichaelMartini on Jul 31, 2012 12:19:05 GMT -5
I don't care how she does in the role. Crazy women in their early twenties with no experience do not get put in charge of a global entertainment empire. It was the conclusion of a rushed wedding angle when on Smackdown, Vince is just going to announce the gm, so apparently a new gm angle is a storyline that doesn't need any build. So why did they do it on Raw? It makes no sense and I could care less how adequately she delivers creative's asinine dialogue.
If they want to give her a huge push, then let her be the face of the Diva's division. She can wrestle better than Layla.
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Post by Hit Girl on Jul 31, 2012 12:31:29 GMT -5
I don't care how she does in the role. Crazy women in their early twenties with no experience do not get put in charge of a global entertainment empire. It was the conclusion of a rushed wedding angle when on Smackdown, Vince is just going to announce the gm, so apparently a new gm angle is a storyline that doesn't need any build. So why did they do it on Raw? It makes no sense and I could care less how adequately she delivers creative's asinine dialogue. If they want to give her a huge push, then let her be the face of the Diva's division. She can wrestle better than Layla. The Divas's division is dead. No point wasting AJ on it when they can make better use of her elsewhere. As for logic being applied to the choice of GM, it's never been the criteria.
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Post by Milk Toast Face on Jul 31, 2012 12:34:26 GMT -5
I think she is excellent, she's really believable in the role she plays...
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Post by The Punisher on Jul 31, 2012 14:36:12 GMT -5
The question I have been asking myself over the past few months still stands - what on earth entitles her to be pushed to this extent? I don't like the fact she seems to have had the break that others have worked hard for in the past few years through their hard work (Beth, Natalya etc), when she's only been with the company (on the main roster) for less than a year.
I don't like her character, and I don't like this ridiculous superiority complex she has now. Sorry, I watched a couple of segments and just found her unbearable, so I fast forwarded them.
Contrast her with the character played by Stephanie McMahon, and you will see a huge difference.
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Post by Metalheadbanger Man on Jul 31, 2012 14:43:52 GMT -5
She was okay. I felt bad for Bryan as opposed to feeling good that AJ got one over on him, but otherwise she didn't really do anything wrong.
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Post by BigWill on Jul 31, 2012 14:55:40 GMT -5
The question I have been asking myself over the past few months still stands - what on earth entitles her to be pushed to this extent? I don't like the fact she seems to have had the break that others have worked hard for in the past few years through their hard work (Beth, Natalya etc), when she's only been with the company (on the main roster) for less than a year. I don't like her character, and I don't like this ridiculous superiority complex she has now. Sorry, I watched a couple of segments and just found her unbearable, so I fast forwarded them. Contrast her with the character played by Stephanie McMahon, and you will see a huge difference. While Beth and Natalya are great wrestlers, they are both awful on the mic, even by divas standards. They would completely bomb in the roll. And on why AJ deserves the roll: because she got over. When has seniority had anything to do with getting a push? If you manage to connect with the fans and management like you, you get pushed, regardless of how long you've been in the company. If you can't do that, it doesn't matter if you've been in the WWE for 15 years. You'd be lucky just to get a thank you title reign. And what superiority complex does AJ have? If anything she's the complete opposite, to the point of being humble about all of this. And I don't see what Stephanie McMahon's character has anything to do with this. Completely different characters doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other.
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Post by Massive G on Jul 31, 2012 15:11:57 GMT -5
Contrast her with the character played by Stephanie McMahon, and you will see a huge difference. yeah, she's actually good. Stephanie McMahon is one of the worst wrestling characters ever.
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Post by The Punisher on Jul 31, 2012 15:12:10 GMT -5
The question I have been asking myself over the past few months still stands - what on earth entitles her to be pushed to this extent? I don't like the fact she seems to have had the break that others have worked hard for in the past few years through their hard work (Beth, Natalya etc), when she's only been with the company (on the main roster) for less than a year. I don't like her character, and I don't like this ridiculous superiority complex she has now. Sorry, I watched a couple of segments and just found her unbearable, so I fast forwarded them. Contrast her with the character played by Stephanie McMahon, and you will see a huge difference. While Beth and Natalya are great wrestlers, they are both awful on the mic, even by divas standards. They would completely bomb in the roll. And on why AJ deserves the roll: because she got over. When has seniority had anything to do with getting a push? If you manage to connect with the fans and management like you, you get pushed, regardless of how long you've been in the company. If you can't do that, it doesn't matter if you've been in the WWE for 15 years. You'd be lucky just to get a thank you title reign. And what superiority complex does AJ have? If anything she's the complete opposite, to the point of being humble about all of this. And I don't see what Stephanie McMahon's character has anything to do with this. Completely different characters doesn't necessarily mean one is better than the other. I'm just a believer that hard work should be more valued over popularity. Yes, I know this is the entertainment business, and maybe I don't like AJ because I just don't like her character, but she is being pushed very, very heavily, and I've yet to see anything to to suggest that this push is based on anything other than the skipping, gimmick stealing and silly facial expressions that she produces each week. Are there AJ merch sales to support the push, have viewing figures gone up since she was inserted into the main event storyline? What exactly has she done to get over? I don't connect with her, because of the way she's been portrayed as being smarter, more cunning and now more powerful than the world champion, a veteran, and a former world heavyweight champion, when a few months ago, she wouldn't say boo to a goose and was Big Show roadkill. It's just too much of a change in character. I wouldn't mind if she was pulling it off, but I watched the last section of Raw again, and he smug, supercilious exchange with Punk was just awful. Vickie made me hate her, AJ just makes me want to fast forward because she's taken over the show and I don't want to have her forced down my throat. I mention Stephanie McMahon because that's what a heel female authority figure should be. She was smart, sexy, and got what she wanted by using her father and husband to enforce her rules, or by duping other men to do her work by acting seductively. AJ wore a suit, smiled vacantly and just made the rules while all the competitors fumed that they couldn't do anything about it because "she's the boss". That type of thing I just don't like. Yes it's more the booking than her, but I just don't like the character.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Jul 31, 2012 15:16:33 GMT -5
The question I have been asking myself over the past few months still stands - what on earth entitles her to be pushed to this extent? I don't like the fact she seems to have had the break that others have worked hard for in the past few years through their hard work (Beth, Natalya etc), when she's only been with the company (on the main roster) for less than a year. I don't like her character, and I don't like this ridiculous superiority complex she has now. Sorry, I watched a couple of segments and just found her unbearable, so I fast forwarded them. Contrast her with the character played by Stephanie McMahon, and you will see a huge difference. Well she worked hard enough to get the attention of Cena and Punk who chose to work with her off camera (and on in Punk's case) which it seems none of the other diva have done and if your two biggest stars want to work with her she might be worth investing in.
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Post by Richard on Jul 31, 2012 15:23:23 GMT -5
AJ just makes me want to fast forward because she's taken over the show and I don't want to have her forced down my throat. I don't get this one, she was on a 3 hour and 5 minute show for not even 5 minutes in 4 segments, and for comparison, Bryan was on for 25 minutes in 8 segments. Also, breaking news: Vince, Triple H, and Stephanie push the people they like, doesn't really matter to them if they "deserve" it in other people's eyes or not.
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