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Post by chazraps on Aug 11, 2012 20:06:32 GMT -5
But didn't Val Venis do a lot of political commentary on his website when he was an active WWE Superstar? And Kane writes some political columns too from time to time. I wouldn't call what Styles was doing Political Commentary. It was more like ranting about the President and calling him out of his name. Well, (and I'm typing all of this for those who are curious and may not have been following at the time) Styles did call out Obama and the Universities that had him speak, but he did so by specifically tweeting about the abortion issue by name. Styles also brought religion into it, so (while the rumor is that Vince personally liked it, hence a fairly easy punishment) he did get quietly pulled away from everything for a while. So, in reference to your post, I personally it that it was a mixture of political commentary as well as, yes, taking shots at the president and his supporters.
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Post by chazraps on Aug 11, 2012 20:07:20 GMT -5
By the way, props to Burngun for the thread title. I legit laugh every time I read it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 20:58:10 GMT -5
I hate that I agree with Wade Keller
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Aug 11, 2012 21:00:02 GMT -5
ah i made all the newsites! on lordsofpain and 411mania where they r showing all the tweets washington put, the one where it says " so aj can try to f*** 3 guys, a guy steals a car and not to mention to tensai thing, and u get fired for a joke #bs" thats actually what i sent to him, on my official_head twitter.. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) i feel famous
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 21:02:12 GMT -5
Ok can someone can give a summary of this thread. I need to know why an Abraham Washington released thread is 27 pages. I don't think I've seen a release thread this big since Daniel Bryan so I got's to know.
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Post by CH Punk on Aug 11, 2012 21:14:15 GMT -5
Ok can someone can give a summary of this thread. I need to know why an Abraham Washington released thread is 27 pages. I don't think I've seen a release thread this big since Daniel Bryan so I got's to know. A lot of back and forth on whether or not WWE was right in releasing him (with evidence and arguments from both sides). The pro-AW side was claiming a double standard/an over-PC reaction from WWE and WWE cutting a performer who wasn't supposed to get over but did while the pro-WWE side was saying that he refused to listen to orders (to stop tweeting "controversial" statements) and that his Twitter tirade is justifying his release.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 21:18:10 GMT -5
Ok can someone can give a summary of this thread. I need to know why an Abraham Washington released thread is 27 pages. I don't think I've seen a release thread this big since Daniel Bryan so I got's to know. D-Bry had like 4 30 page threads, I think that may be an insurmountable record.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 21:21:55 GMT -5
Ok can someone can give a summary of this thread. I need to know why an Abraham Washington released thread is 27 pages. I don't think I've seen a release thread this big since Daniel Bryan so I got's to know. A lot of back and forth on whether or not WWE was right in releasing him (with evidence and arguments from both sides). So in other words, a release thread? I dunno, I think it could honestly be the timekeeper and we'd still find a way to get it into the double digits, arguing all the while. "But he always kept the time so......accurately." Then some hardcore with the inside dope would jump in about how he was three seconds off at Summerslam and then a fistfull of people would immediately jump on the fire him for that bandwagon. The WWE would be downright electric if they fought like we did. ![:P](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/tongue.png)
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Post by Talent Name on Aug 11, 2012 21:30:19 GMT -5
So I watched Foreign Exchange this week and there are a few examples of racism there yet Santino still has a job, maybe if AW wasn't an assbutt about things he may have been brought back but he had to Shane Douglas the whole situation
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 11, 2012 21:39:58 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become.
That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere?
WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Aug 11, 2012 21:42:27 GMT -5
So I watched Foreign Exchange this week and there are a few examples of racism there yet Santino still has a job, maybe if AW wasn't an assbutt about things he may have been brought back but he had to Shane Douglas the whole situation There's no consent issue. Yoshi Tatsu and The Usos know it's all in good fun and probably agreed to it beforehand.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2012 21:52:47 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become. That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere? WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons. I'm pretty sure you're writing in hyperbole (it's 03:45 over here so excuse me if I misread) but if you make: a) an outdated rape joke b) jibes at a kayfabe opponents that are based on race c) jibes at a kayfabe manager possibly about being beaten up at home d) posting a political tweet when superstars are told to steer away from that And do it all over a period of a few weeks after being told to cool it then, well, frankly if The Rock did it when he was the Blue Chipper he'd be cut too. If Austin did it when he was the Ringmaster he'd be gone too. It's no insane surprise decision and it IS based on politics/the core audience of the WWE/sponsors, but it doesn't aleviate AW of responsibility for his own stupidity. One mistake? Fine. Two mistakes? Erm, okay. Three mistakes? You need a talking to. Four mistakes? Your time is up. That's not even referencing the idiocy he's displayed on Twitter post firing. I feel sorry for him losing his source of income, but I don't feel sorry for him losing his job as he shot himself in the foot several times.
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Post by Spec_Sun on Aug 11, 2012 22:15:08 GMT -5
AW is awesome. The more he rants, the more I like him.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Aug 11, 2012 22:20:05 GMT -5
And absolutly nothing of value was lost.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 11, 2012 22:29:54 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become. That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere? WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons. I'm pretty sure you're writing in hyperbole (it's 03:45 over here so excuse me if I misread) but if you make: a) an outdated rape joke b) jibes at a kayfabe opponents that are based on race c) jibes at a kayfabe manager possibly about being beaten up at home d) posting a political tweet when superstars are told to steer away from that And do it all over a period of a few weeks after being told to cool it then, well, frankly if The Rock did it when he was the Blue Chipper he'd be cut too. If Austin did it when he was the Ringmaster he'd be gone too. It's no insane surprise decision and it IS based on politics/the core audience of the WWE/sponsors, but it doesn't aleviate AW of responsibility for his own stupidity. One mistake? Fine. Two mistakes? Erm, okay. Three mistakes? You need a talking to. Four mistakes? Your time is up. That's not even referencing the idiocy he's displayed on Twitter post firing. I feel sorry for him losing his source of income, but I don't feel sorry for him losing his job as he shot himself in the foot several times. I was speaking in broad terms, yes. But, that said: The jokes don't bother me. Wrestling has been filled with them for years. Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura said tons of jokes that touched on racism. Gorilla Monsoon made subtle rape jokes about Terry Garvin all the time in his commentary. And this was in a PG era. I think it's up to the individual if he or she finds it in poor taste and chooses not to watch. But jokes by a guy you're not supposed to like have been part of the business forever. I miss the days where heels were so unlikeable and often offensive that you wanted to see them finally get theirs. But these days, you can't really create that environment. And while I know why, I think it stinks and is detrimental to the enjoyment of the product. Movie character's can present villains with politically incorrect views and actions -- but wrestling can't? It’s scripted entertainment. What's the difference? (Speaking of the comments on the show itself). And as for his Linda comment. That in itself is stupid. Why pretend? If she's a great candidate, surely some nobody wrestler on Twitter's opinion means zilch. Its knee-jerk, micro-managing bullshit. I hate censorship. He's supposed to be an independent contractor. WWE skirts that line too much. If they want to own everything and control everything they should hire them as employees. As an independent contractor, a wrestler cannot and should not be owned or controlled outside of his'her work environment. But yet, here we are. WWE makes up their own rules on the fly, and hires and fires people at random based on pecking order, seniority and where their fancy floats that month. There's no consistency. And that's just a few of the reasons it pisses me off.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 4:09:13 GMT -5
A W @awpromotions @linda_McMahon : Creates jobs my ass!! I'm fired thanks to you and your campaign. OMG I seriously cannot stop laughing...Wow I cant believe he said that directly to them...This is hilarious
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Post by illniñofan on Aug 12, 2012 6:42:39 GMT -5
I wasn't paying much attention to this, but the more he talks, the more interesting it gets: ![](http://brentfavre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/popcorn.jpg) I brought enough for everyone. Funny how this drama is more interesting than anything WWE's put on recently.
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Post by jimmyjames on Aug 12, 2012 7:02:20 GMT -5
If Brian Jossie (AW) was naming names and now flat out criticizing Linda, I would honestly think this was a work. Heck, with all the coverage WWE is receiving, a really small part of me still kind of thinks it might be.
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Post by theryno665 on Aug 12, 2012 8:05:09 GMT -5
I wasn't paying much attention to this, but the more he talks, the more interesting it gets: ![](http://brentfavre.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/popcorn.jpg) I brought enough for everyone. Funny how this drama is more interesting than anything WWE's put on recently. AW really needs to hire Tony Atlas just to laugh at everything he says. As good as this it, it would make it 1000x better.
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Post by Legion on Aug 12, 2012 9:00:56 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure you're writing in hyperbole (it's 03:45 over here so excuse me if I misread) but if you make: a) an outdated rape joke b) jibes at a kayfabe opponents that are based on race c) jibes at a kayfabe manager possibly about being beaten up at home d) posting a political tweet when superstars are told to steer away from that And do it all over a period of a few weeks after being told to cool it then, well, frankly if The Rock did it when he was the Blue Chipper he'd be cut too. If Austin did it when he was the Ringmaster he'd be gone too. It's no insane surprise decision and it IS based on politics/the core audience of the WWE/sponsors, but it doesn't aleviate AW of responsibility for his own stupidity. One mistake? Fine. Two mistakes? Erm, okay. Three mistakes? You need a talking to. Four mistakes? Your time is up. That's not even referencing the idiocy he's displayed on Twitter post firing. I feel sorry for him losing his source of income, but I don't feel sorry for him losing his job as he shot himself in the foot several times. I was speaking in broad terms, yes. But, that said: The jokes don't bother me. Wrestling has been filled with them for years. Bobby Heenan and Jesse Ventura said tons of jokes that touched on racism. Gorilla Monsoon made subtle rape jokes about Terry Garvin all the time in his commentary. And this was in a PG era. I think it's up to the individual if he or she finds it in poor taste and chooses not to watch. But jokes by a guy you're not supposed to like have been part of the business forever. I miss the days where heels were so unlikeable and often offensive that you wanted to see them finally get theirs. But these days, you can't really create that environment. And while I know why, I think it stinks and is detrimental to the enjoyment of the product. Movie character's can present villains with politically incorrect views and actions -- but wrestling can't? It’s scripted entertainment. What's the difference? (Speaking of the comments on the show itself). And as for his Linda comment. That in itself is stupid. Why pretend? If she's a great candidate, surely some nobody wrestler on Twitter's opinion means zilch. Its knee-jerk, micro-managing bulls***. I hate censorship. He's supposed to be an independent contractor. WWE skirts that line too much. If they want to own everything and control everything they should hire them as employees. As an independent contractor, a wrestler cannot and should not be owned or controlled outside of his'her work environment. But yet, here we are. WWE makes up their own rules on the fly, and hires and fires people at random based on pecking order, seniority and where their fancy floats that month. There's no consistency. And that's just a few of the reasons it pisses me off. The difference is the crowd and the age range a product is aimed at. At a movie, the film is given a rating and if you are below that, you dont get to go in and watch the show, nor purchase it later on home video. With WWE, they have a PG product, they have kids in the crowd, they have kids watching, they have kids buying their toys and videos and shirts and whatever. You may disagree, that's fine, but that is the difference. The audience. Not to mention the live audience, who will flip and cheer or boo at the drop of a hat. WWE has to be very careful with what people say on their show, so as not to provide a clip of a crowd for their show cheering a guy saying something that could be used to cast them in a negative light. In terms of the politics, and indeed the contractual status, they are, even as independent contractors, expected to abide by a certain set of rules. One of those appears to be no specific references to Linda, and similarly, that they conduct themselves in a manner fitting the company that contracts them. He broke that, so he got his contract terminated, seemingly after several warnings. This really isnt a censorship issue, or really even a matter for debate. The simple fact is that an employee broke rules, was warned, and continued to break those rules; he triggered a staple clause in pretty much all employment conducts that allows someone to be terminated for gross misconduct. He now continues to make a spectacle of himself, proving frankly, that WWE was right to terminate him because he simply seems unable to understand where common sense should take over from being controversial.
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