The Ichi
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 12, 2012 9:15:45 GMT -5
Is this the most someone has freaked out after being released (at least someone such a small name as this)?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 9:20:42 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become. That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere? WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons. The problem in wrestling right now is that there are two fields at opposite ends of the spectrum: the corporate world of cutthroat politics and posturing, and the carny world of danger and backstabbing. The former stresses finesse in the ring and safety in the style. Medical bills are paid for, laws are followed closely and the company sets numerous rules to restrict people. A byproduct of the corporate environment is that everyone at the top is a stuffed-shirt if they're not based in wrestling, and anyone at the top of the company who was a wrestler is a holdover from the carny era. People in this realm are motivated by ego and by money; they don't want to change anything because if they're in power, there's nothing that a change in scenaery would do for them. The latter is all about doing whatever you want to, no matter how dangerous or despicable. You can be whatever you and your abilities can back up, and no matter how awful you are as a wrestler, you'll find work somewhere. The best and the worst will prosper. There are plenty of good wrestlers and people in the indies and good promotions, but they're stained by the worst of the worst who pull all kinds of underhanded crap and can do so carte-blanche due to the lack of rules and restrictions there. There are new guys coming into the indies with bright minds and points of view, but old carny holdovers who all think that ECW was the end-all beat-all are still in power here. The bad people here are dominated by ego and money too, but more in a scavenging sense. I think that in about 20 years, when all the old carny types have retired for good or died (and I don't relish saying that), the new wave of wrestlers who enjoy wrestling for wrestling's sake are going to be taking over. You can already see this happening right now. It's partially due to things like the wellness policy, but if you notice, it's mostly "older" wrestlers from previous eras who still get in trouble for this stuff. Most young guys don't have substance or health issues like older guys do because they've seen what it does and fear falling into that kind of trap. But this wave is hitting a barrier in WWE for example, where their new ideas ("Who's the most over and who works the hardest? Push them to the top on merit instead of who you arbitrarily like") are still having trouble getting through because of the outdated hacks at the top. And of course, a lot of them got into wrestling because Attitude captured their minds. It's not just guys like AW. Attitude inspired a whole generation of wrestlers who just love wrestling and everything about it, people like Zack Ryder and AJ and Brutus Magnus, and that group is definitely going to be the future of the business, because when the older guys who hold them back are gone from the business, people from that group--not those specific people so much, but just anybody--can shine through and finally make something of themselves.
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mrjl
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Post by mrjl on Aug 12, 2012 9:28:10 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become. That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere? WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons. if you want to be a wrestler it's more than a pittance compared to the other places you can work. And the fact is in every sport there's people willing to be bench warmers, in every performance are there's people willing to be understudies or extras
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 9:42:50 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become. That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere? WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons. The problem in wrestling right now is that there are two fields at opposite ends of the spectrum: the corporate world of cutthroat politics and posturing, and the carny world of danger and backstabbing. The former stresses finesse in the ring and safety in the style. Medical bills are paid for, laws are followed closely and the company sets numerous rules to restrict people. A byproduct of the corporate environment is that everyone at the top is a stuffed-shirt if they're not based in wrestling, and anyone at the top of the company who was a wrestler is a holdover from the carny era. People in this realm are motivated by ego and by money; they don't want to change anything because if they're in power, there's nothing that a change in scenaery would do for them. The latter is all about doing whatever you want to, no matter how dangerous or despicable. You can be whatever you and your abilities can back up, and no matter how awful you are as a wrestler, you'll find work somewhere. The best and the worst will prosper. There are plenty of good wrestlers and people in the indies and good promotions, but they're stained by the worst of the worst who pull all kinds of underhanded crap and can do so carte-blanche due to the lack of rules and restrictions there. There are new guys coming into the indies with bright minds and points of view, but old carny holdovers who all think that ECW was the end-all beat-all are still in power here. The bad people here are dominated by ego and money too, but more in a scavenging sense. I think that in about 20 years, when all the old carny types have retired for good or died (and I don't relish saying that), the new wave of wrestlers who enjoy wrestling for wrestling's sake are going to be taking over. You can already see this happening right now. It's partially due to things like the wellness policy, but if you notice, it's mostly "older" wrestlers from previous eras who still get in trouble for this stuff. Most young guys don't have substance or health issues like older guys do because they've seen what it does and fear falling into that kind of trap. But this wave is hitting a barrier in WWE for example, where their new ideas ("Who's the most over and who works the hardest? Push them to the top on merit instead of who you arbitrarily like") are still having trouble getting through because of the outdated hacks at the top. And of course, a lot of them got into wrestling because Attitude captured their minds. It's not just guys like AW. Attitude inspired a whole generation of wrestlers who just love wrestling and everything about it, people like Zack Ryder and AJ and Brutus Magnus, and that group is definitely going to be the future of the business, because when the older guys who hold them back are gone from the business, people from that group--not those specific people so much, but just anybody--can shine through and finally make something of themselves. Where's that Batista clapping gif when you need it?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 9:44:41 GMT -5
From AW's very first Tout video a few weeks back. ![](http://i.imgur.com/G054S.gif)
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ronin705
Dennis Stamp
All Might
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Post by ronin705 on Aug 12, 2012 10:35:33 GMT -5
A shame since he's got alot of charisma, but really stupid way to handle your frustrations. Seven year olds go off on swearing rampages on Twitter, and adults who act like such. Meh. Kurt Angle?? Punk telling people to go die?? AW certainly isn't the first to be caught up like this. As for his message, more power to him, and I do hope it A) completely screws over Linda's campaign? (B) Makes people start to stand up for themselves. Im gonna link him the HHH promo on Booker that was the most racist nonsense I've ever seen, give him more fuel.
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Post by southsider on Aug 12, 2012 11:11:15 GMT -5
Can a black guy get fired for being an idiot anymore? Plus let's face it, the guy wasn't anything special. 10,000 twitter followers, referees have more than that. This race card stuff is ridiculous.
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Dukect
Don Corleone
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Post by Dukect on Aug 12, 2012 11:11:26 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become. That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere? WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons. The problem in wrestling right now is that there are two fields at opposite ends of the spectrum: the corporate world of cutthroat politics and posturing, and the carny world of danger and backstabbing. The former stresses finesse in the ring and safety in the style. Medical bills are paid for, laws are followed closely and the company sets numerous rules to restrict people. A byproduct of the corporate environment is that everyone at the top is a stuffed-shirt if they're not based in wrestling, and anyone at the top of the company who was a wrestler is a holdover from the carny era. People in this realm are motivated by ego and by money; they don't want to change anything because if they're in power, there's nothing that a change in scenaery would do for them. The latter is all about doing whatever you want to, no matter how dangerous or despicable. You can be whatever you and your abilities can back up, and no matter how awful you are as a wrestler, you'll find work somewhere. The best and the worst will prosper. There are plenty of good wrestlers and people in the indies and good promotions, but they're stained by the worst of the worst who pull all kinds of underhanded crap and can do so carte-blanche due to the lack of rules and restrictions there. There are new guys coming into the indies with bright minds and points of view, but old carny holdovers who all think that ECW was the end-all beat-all are still in power here. The bad people here are dominated by ego and money too, but more in a scavenging sense. I think that in about 20 years, when all the old carny types have retired for good or died (and I don't relish saying that), the new wave of wrestlers who enjoy wrestling for wrestling's sake are going to be taking over. You can already see this happening right now. It's partially due to things like the wellness policy, but if you notice, it's mostly "older" wrestlers from previous eras who still get in trouble for this stuff. Most young guys don't have substance or health issues like older guys do because they've seen what it does and fear falling into that kind of trap. But this wave is hitting a barrier in WWE for example, where their new ideas ("Who's the most over and who works the hardest? Push them to the top on merit instead of who you arbitrarily like") are still having trouble getting through because of the outdated hacks at the top. And of course, a lot of them got into wrestling because Attitude captured their minds. It's not just guys like AW. Attitude inspired a whole generation of wrestlers who just love wrestling and everything about it, people like Zack Ryder and AJ and Brutus Magnus, and that group is definitely going to be the future of the business, because when the older guys who hold them back are gone from the business, people from that group--not those specific people so much, but just anybody--can shine through and finally make something of themselves. ![](http://i53.tinypic.com/2ebfkn9.jpg)
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Aug 12, 2012 11:33:09 GMT -5
From AW's very first Tout video a few weeks back. ![](http://i.imgur.com/G054S.gif) Ok that's pretty funny.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 11:39:19 GMT -5
Ugh. Corporate wrestling in 2012. I understand why they do it, (too many fingers in too many sensitive pies), but it does bother me in what it's become. I don't want a stringent, manufactured product filled with cheesily written and pre-approved dialogue stiffly spoken by soulless automatons. I too miss the edge that AW spoke of. Wrestling is kind of reflective of today's self-righteous society and need to walk on ridiculous eggshells. And I can't stand it what it's become. That said, I have no idea why anyone would strive to be in WWE anymore. Some might say the steady income, but is that pittance for most guys worth the stress on the body and the perpetual run on a hamster wheel to nowhere? WWE's system is broken. Hopefully, certain obvious interests fail once and for all, and we can get back to a time where a guy just gets chastised for being an idiot backstage, instead of fired for contrived political reasons. The problem in wrestling right now is that there are two fields at opposite ends of the spectrum: the corporate world of cutthroat politics and posturing, and the carny world of danger and backstabbing. The former stresses finesse in the ring and safety in the style. Medical bills are paid for, laws are followed closely and the company sets numerous rules to restrict people. A byproduct of the corporate environment is that everyone at the top is a stuffed-shirt if they're not based in wrestling, and anyone at the top of the company who was a wrestler is a holdover from the carny era. People in this realm are motivated by ego and by money; they don't want to change anything because if they're in power, there's nothing that a change in scenaery would do for them. The latter is all about doing whatever you want to, no matter how dangerous or despicable. You can be whatever you and your abilities can back up, and no matter how awful you are as a wrestler, you'll find work somewhere. The best and the worst will prosper. There are plenty of good wrestlers and people in the indies and good promotions, but they're stained by the worst of the worst who pull all kinds of underhanded crap and can do so carte-blanche due to the lack of rules and restrictions there. There are new guys coming into the indies with bright minds and points of view, but old carny holdovers who all think that ECW was the end-all beat-all are still in power here. The bad people here are dominated by ego and money too, but more in a scavenging sense. I think that in about 20 years, when all the old carny types have retired for good or died (and I don't relish saying that), the new wave of wrestlers who enjoy wrestling for wrestling's sake are going to be taking over. You can already see this happening right now. It's partially due to things like the wellness policy, but if you notice, it's mostly "older" wrestlers from previous eras who still get in trouble for this stuff. Most young guys don't have substance or health issues like older guys do because they've seen what it does and fear falling into that kind of trap. But this wave is hitting a barrier in WWE for example, where their new ideas ("Who's the most over and who works the hardest? Push them to the top on merit instead of who you arbitrarily like") are still having trouble getting through because of the outdated hacks at the top. And of course, a lot of them got into wrestling because Attitude captured their minds. It's not just guys like AW. Attitude inspired a whole generation of wrestlers who just love wrestling and everything about it, people like Zack Ryder and AJ and Brutus Magnus, and that group is definitely going to be the future of the business, because when the older guys who hold them back are gone from the business, people from that group--not those specific people so much, but just anybody--can shine through and finally make something of themselves. I swear, this forum is an under-the-radar goldmine for intelligent discussion and poignant thoughts.
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Psychoblue
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Post by Psychoblue on Aug 12, 2012 12:32:40 GMT -5
So a guy gets fired from his job after making light of a co-worker's domestic abuse issues and then a rape joke on live TV after being told repeatedly to cool it, and now that he's whining about it he's an internet hero? Stay free IWC.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Aug 12, 2012 12:36:23 GMT -5
So a guy gets fired from his job after making light of a co-worker's domestic abuse issues and then a rape joke on live TV after being told repeatedly to cool it, and now that he's whining about it he's an internet hero? Stay free IWC. Is it surprising? Any wrestlers internet popularity hits an all time high when they're fired/quit.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 12:37:53 GMT -5
So a guy gets fired from his job after making light of a co-worker's domestic abuse issues and then a rape joke on live TV after being told repeatedly to cool it, and now that he's whining about it he's an internet hero? Stay free IWC. Is it surprising? Any wrestlers internet popularity hits an all time high when they're fired/quit. Factor in badmouthing the "evil empire" that is the WWE and the fired becomes an internet legend for a week or two.
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Sektor
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Post by Sektor on Aug 12, 2012 12:39:38 GMT -5
So a guy gets fired from his job after making light of a co-worker's domestic abuse issues and then a rape joke on live TV after being told repeatedly to cool it, and now that he's whining about it he's an internet hero? Stay free IWC. Damn internet, always being a hive mind about things.
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Post by ipadslam on Aug 12, 2012 12:39:54 GMT -5
So a guy gets fired from his job after making light of a co-worker's domestic abuse issues and then a rape joke on live TV after being told repeatedly to cool it, and now that he's whining about it he's an internet hero? Stay free IWC. Is it surprising? Any wrestlers internet popularity hits an all time high when they're fired/quit. And when they die it peaks. Fact.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 12:59:55 GMT -5
So a guy gets fired from his job after making light of a co-worker's domestic abuse issues and then a rape joke on live TV after being told repeatedly to cool it, and now that he's whining about it he's an internet hero? Stay free IWC. I've said this repeatedly in this thread: it's not about AW. It could've been any other young person on WWE's roster getting fired for trying to push the envelope and make something of themselves, and I think most people here (myself being one of them) would make the exact same arguments.
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Cronant
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Post by Cronant on Aug 12, 2012 13:01:03 GMT -5
There's pushing the envelope, and there's being a complete f***ing idiot. AW falls into the latter.
There's ways to 'make something of yourself' without saying stupid shit repeatedly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:07:06 GMT -5
So a guy gets fired from his job after making light of a co-worker's domestic abuse issues and then a rape joke on live TV after being told repeatedly to cool it, and now that he's whining about it he's an internet hero? Stay free IWC. I've said this repeatedly in this thread: it's not about AW. It could've been any other young person on WWE's roster getting fired for trying to push the envelope and make something of themselves, and I think most people here (myself being one of them) would make the exact same arguments. And this is where the Daniel Bryan example comes in, he was fired for pushing the envelope by choking Chimmel out with his tie and fired for it, did he go on Twitter and bitch? No, he took indy bookings until the heat died down and then came back.
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stealthamo
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Post by stealthamo on Aug 12, 2012 13:08:45 GMT -5
I've said this repeatedly in this thread: it's not about AW. It could've been any other young person on WWE's roster getting fired for trying to push the envelope and make something of themselves, and I think most people here (myself being one of them) would make the exact same arguments. And this is where the Daniel Bryan example comes in, he was fired for pushing the envelope by choking Chimmel out with his tie and fired for it, did he go on Twitter and bitch? No, he took indy bookings until the heat died down and then came back. Actually, that was Justin Roberts that Bryan choked out, not Chimel. Though now I hate you for the image of Daniel Bryan choking out a topless Tony Chimel with a tie.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2012 13:10:50 GMT -5
There's pushing the envelope, and there's being a complete f***ing idiot. AW falls into the latter. There's ways to 'make something of yourself' without saying stupid s*** repeatedly. Like what? What can one possibly do out of what WWE strictly and arbitrarily shoehorns wrestlers into doing where they can shine on their own worth? There have been so many promising stars with huge upsides that WWE squandered by cutting them off when they were at their peak momentum, and people with ideas that didn't fit WWE's exact build who had their ideas ignored or trashed. So many people pitch so much, but it's all thrown away and then nothing is done with the people who just gave these ideas. Abraham Washington can be an idiot, or he can be the biggest idiot to walk the planet, but in the end he's an example of WWE crushing people who attempt to get themselves over on their own merit, no matter how little one thinks that their merit is actually worth, or how appropriate or inappropriate what they say or do happens to be.
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