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Post by saintpat on Aug 14, 2012 21:57:57 GMT -5
There was that post from a Stamford, Connecticut, IP address saying Benoit missed the PPV due to the death of his wife -- and it was posted like 14 hours and change before the bodies were discovered.
I know the guy who hacked the wiki page was tracked down and questioned and police decided it was a coincidence.
But does anyone really believe that a post from an IP address in the same rather obscure town that happens to be where WWE HQ resides, that happens to say Benoit's wife was dead long before the bodies were discovered, is really just a coincidence?
Does anyone have any more info or speculation on this, or ideas about it?
EDIT: My apologies if this has been discussed at length previously, but I've been around here for a minute and don't remember seeing it come up.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 22:08:10 GMT -5
I wonder about this sometimes too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 22:13:57 GMT -5
Yeah, that's pretty creepy. Big coincidence for something like that.
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Post by Juice on Aug 14, 2012 22:15:49 GMT -5
yeah, I can see how that's a coincidence. Random guy thought he was funny then turned out to be true.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Aug 14, 2012 22:18:20 GMT -5
It is one hell of a coincidence, but nothing more. It was a just a random wiki vandal that happened to live in Stamford, CT. I believe the dude's edit history showed that it wasn't the first page he wrongly edited as well.
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Post by saintpat on Aug 14, 2012 22:18:30 GMT -5
Especially since:
1) The bodies were discovered after WWE called the police in Georgia and asked them to check on the family house
2) Benoit was in touch with Chavo and at least one other WWE employee (I think a wrestler who went unnamed?) by phone and sent text messages to others with his address
It seems possible to me that Benoit told (via voice or text) something that never got reported -- WWE is a small 'universe,' and if someone at the HQ or house show in Texas grew concerned because CB hinted at what had really happened, or just said his wife was dead, that a friend of a friend or whatever might have told this to the guy in Stamford, and he hacke wiki to post it.
I'd be interested to have seen the guy who posted's phone records to see who he might have talked to or texted with that night.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 22:21:02 GMT -5
2) Benoit was in touch with Chavo and at least one other WWE employee (I think a wrestler who went unnamed?) by phone and sent text messages to others with his address It was Helms IIRC.
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 14, 2012 22:24:59 GMT -5
It is one hell of a coincidence, but nothing more. It was a just a random wiki vandal that happened to live in Stamford, CT. I believe the dude's edit history showed that it wasn't the first page he wrongly edited as well. Yeah, it's a bad coincidence, but wikipedia vandalism is nothing new. One time in a million, it's going to be right.
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Post by therageofeeyore on Aug 14, 2012 22:28:24 GMT -5
I always got the hint that it was Rey....Helms sounds like a wierd guy for Benoit to have been close to.
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Post by saintpat on Aug 14, 2012 22:32:10 GMT -5
It is one hell of a coincidence, but nothing more. It was a just a random wiki vandal that happened to live in Stamford, CT. I believe the dude's edit history showed that it wasn't the first page he wrongly edited as well. Yeah, it's a bad coincidence, but wikipedia vandalism is nothing new. One time in a million, it's going to be right. But the odds that when it actually is right, it happens to be about a WWE guy and the hacker is from Stamford? I'm not buying it.
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Post by This Player Hating Mothman on Aug 14, 2012 22:38:28 GMT -5
The vandal even said it was a coincidence. Sometimes a coincidence can be big and ultimately unfortunate, but that doesn't necessarily make them many more suspect. Police looked into him; if he had ties or was a WWE employee, that would have come out and the WWE would have been under scrutiny for it. He wasn't. He had also, in the past, vandalized a page on Stacy Kiebler; he's just a wrestling fan.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2012 22:40:10 GMT -5
I always got the hint that it was Rey....Helms sounds like a wierd guy for Benoit to have been close to. Knew each other in WCW but, checking wiki, it sounds like it was Scott Armstrong. But, for some reason, I recall it being Helms. Not sure either way.
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Post by Dean-o on Aug 14, 2012 22:45:02 GMT -5
It was me all along!!!
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Post by Red Impact on Aug 14, 2012 22:47:05 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a bad coincidence, but wikipedia vandalism is nothing new. One time in a million, it's going to be right. But the odds that when it actually is right, it happens to be about a WWE guy and the hacker is from Stamford? I'm not buying it. About the same as the odds of any other random Wikipedia vandalism is correct. The "hacker," as you put it, was a 19-year-old kid with no WWE connections who did what anyone with fingers and an internet connection can do to this very day, read speculation he found on the internet and put it on the Wikipedia page. That happens all the time, and that same IP address was linked to other erroneous wikipedia edits. The coincidence is that he happens to be from the same area, a small city with around 125,000 population, as the WWE is headquartered in. Otherwise, there's nothing concrete to the notion that it wasn't random vandalism beyond the fact that he lived near WWE headquarters and far away from where the incident happened or where the WWE event took place. Nor is there any real logical reason why this random guy would have information, or why anyone with information would gain anything by editing a wikipedia page before police found the body. If he was in the area where he might have actually heard something, either Texas or Georgia where the WWE or Benoit was, then maybe there could be more to it. But just because he lives where the office people work doesn't mean he had inside information.
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Post by ICBM on Aug 14, 2012 22:59:40 GMT -5
Sorry guys. The simplest answer is usually correct. I have been a cop for 14 yrs and this is almost always the truth. Police determined that Benoit killed his wife, son then himself. Because it has been investigated and adjudged you may call it a fact.
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Post by rapidfire187 on Aug 14, 2012 23:13:09 GMT -5
Sorry guys. The simplest answer is usually correct. I have been a cop for 14 yrs and this is almost always the truth. Police determined that Benoit killed his wife, son then himself. Because it has been investigated and adjudged you may call it a fact. Occom's Razor law - the simplest explination is usually the correct one. But quantom theories kind of shit all over that. Not sure what my point is. There's just things in this universe that our mind's can't comprehend. Are there REALLY coincidences?
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Post by molson5 on Aug 14, 2012 23:39:00 GMT -5
Yeah, it's a bad coincidence, but wikipedia vandalism is nothing new. One time in a million, it's going to be right. But the odds that when it actually is right, it happens to be about a WWE guy and the hacker is from Stamford? I'm not buying it. So what do you think instead? That he knew Nancy was dead somehow, then posted it on wikipedia, then lied about knowing it for some reason? And why is him being in Stanford even suspicious? Are you accusing the WWE of being involved in the murder, and leaking that info to a 19-year old local nerd for some reason? There's so many fake wiki edits and general web vandalism, you have to have coincidences, big and small, newsworthy and obscure. This one isn't even that crazy because he knew Benoit had rushed home that night. I doubt he's the only one in the world that had the thought that something might be wrong at home, and I doubt he's the only troll in the world that shared that thought online. He's probably not even the only person living in New England who engaged in such a thing, and maybe not even the only one in Connecticut. He was the only one that attracted police attention, because his vandalism, using wikipedia, was particularly public. The odds of having a coincidence this unusual is probably a million to 1, but there's millions of instances of web vandalism and posting of false information a year (or more), so those really unusual coincidences are going to happen. If something happens a billion times, suddenly 1-in-a-million-type coincidences really aren't that crazy anymore. We know about this one because we're wrestling fans and this was newsworthy, but there's plenty more we wouldn't know about because they're topics we don't care about or follow, or because they were more obscure and non-newsworthy and escaped media attention. But, one of them necessarily has to be the MOST newsworthy of the group, and that happens to be this one. FWIW, the police interview with the kid is on youtube. He....is your typical web vandal. I'd love to hear the theory though about how he's involved, how he knew this, why he posted this on wikipedia. Edit: And actually, after googling this just now (I wanted to find the kid's name to see if he's still out there vandalizing), I found that he wasn't even the only one who edited wikipedia with the Nancy death stuff - a IP address from Australia made a similar edit the same day. That one wasn't widely reported and I don't believe the U.S. police investigated that person. The point is, we don't hear about the many non-newsworthy coincidences, nd the ones we hear about seems like bigger coincidences than they really are, exactly because we know about them. www.smh.com.au/news/world/benoit-mysterys-wiki-twist/2007/06/29/1182624122107.html
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Post by eldandyjamupguy on Aug 14, 2012 23:50:15 GMT -5
Perhaps Billy Jack's theory was right!
VINCE WAS THE FATHER!
HEPATITIS!
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Post by Gerard Gerard on Aug 15, 2012 0:24:08 GMT -5
Not to sound glib, but for all of the uncertainty that surrounds that Benoit's mind and actions that weekend, two things are sure:
1. That guy never vandalized another Wiki page.
2. He'll never make another prediction as long as he lives.
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Post by bob on Aug 15, 2012 0:36:10 GMT -5
I remember reading that the guy who did it was some loser who got off on vandalizing wikipedia pages. Suffice to say after what happened the guy stopped doing that. It's just a very strange coincidence the guy lived in Stamford.
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