Movies where the villains were right

[Red Impact]

I'm not talking so much about movies where the protagonists were evil, but ones where the movie tried to make you side with the protagonists, but they were completely wrong.

Star Trek: Insurrection was on today and the plot involved preventing the peaceful movement of 600 colonists so that a species could use a scientific macguffin that'd not only save their species, but benefit medical technology that'd affect billions. They went to great lengths to explain why the "villain" species had to do it the way they were going to, but Picard was willing to condemn them to death so a bunch of space hippies wouldn't be moved to a different planet where they could continue to be space hippies. I don't get we're supposed to cheer for 600 when billions miss out by protecting them.

Pirates of the Caribbean is another one. They went to great lengths to show the heroes not actually being pirates, because that'd remind the audience that pirates aren't sympathetic. They also don't go to any lengths to show that they weren't doing any of the pirate things either. The East India Company may have been led by manipulative jerks, but pirates aren't exactly the most sympathetic foils either. They sort of deserved each other.

[Todd's crazy , Man.]

Jun 3, 2012 12:49:12 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

I'm not talking so much about movies where the protagonists were evil, but ones where the movie tried to make you side with the protagonists, but they were completely wrong.

Star Trek: Insurrection was on today and the plot involved preventing the peaceful movement of 600 colonists so that a species could use a scientific macguffin that'd not only save their species, but benefit medical technology that'd affect billions. They went to great lengths to explain why the "villain" species had to do it the way they were going to, but Picard was willing to condemn them to death so a bunch of space hippies wouldn't be moved to a different planet where they could continue to be space hippies. I don't get we're supposed to cheer for 600 when billions miss out by protecting them.

Pirates of the Caribbean is another one. They went to great lengths to show the heroes not actually being pirates, because that'd remind the audience that pirates aren't sympathetic. They also don't go to any lengths to show that they weren't doing any of the pirate things either. The East India Company may have been led by manipulative jerks, but pirates aren't exactly the most sympathetic foils either. They sort of deserved each other.

Yeah Pirates were terrible for trying to make a decent living instead of being sentenced to a life of poverty and desperation due to blatant nepotism , racism and cronyism.
So evil.

[The Ichi]

The Grinch (Carrey version).

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Jun 3, 2012 12:56:59 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

The Grinch (Carrey version).

Pretty much. The whos are asshats.

[Hit Girl]

The hyenas in "The Lion King"

They only followed Scar because they were hungry. When he tried to blame everything on them, they rightly killed him

[ohiofan1]

Jun 3, 2012 12:57:44 GMT -5 @fsinfan said:

Jun 3, 2012 12:56:59 GMT -5 The Ichi said:

The Grinch (Carrey version).

Pretty much. The whos are asshats.

The main reason I dislike the live action version. Plus, they are very creepy looking

[Red Impact]

Jun 3, 2012 12:52:41 GMT -5 Todd's crazy , Man. said:

Jun 3, 2012 12:49:12 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

I'm not talking so much about movies where the protagonists were evil, but ones where the movie tried to make you side with the protagonists, but they were completely wrong.

Star Trek: Insurrection was on today and the plot involved preventing the peaceful movement of 600 colonists so that a species could use a scientific macguffin that'd not only save their species, but benefit medical technology that'd affect billions. They went to great lengths to explain why the "villain" species had to do it the way they were going to, but Picard was willing to condemn them to death so a bunch of space hippies wouldn't be moved to a different planet where they could continue to be space hippies. I don't get we're supposed to cheer for 600 when billions miss out by protecting them.

Pirates of the Caribbean is another one. They went to great lengths to show the heroes not actually being pirates, because that'd remind the audience that pirates aren't sympathetic. They also don't go to any lengths to show that they weren't doing any of the pirate things either. The East India Company may have been led by manipulative jerks, but pirates aren't exactly the most sympathetic foils either. They sort of deserved each other.

Yeah Pirates were terrible for trying to make a decent living instead of being sentenced to a life of poverty and desperation due to blatant nepotism , racism and cronyism.
So evil.

It is when that decent living comes from stealing, murdering, and so forth. Keep in mind that all those 'bad' pirates who attacked Port Royale in the first movie and killed, looted, and tried to take Elizabeth for their own were all part of Sparrow's crew before they betrayed him. They didn't name it "Explorer's of the Caribbean" after all, these guys had death sentences on them for a reason.

Like I said, they went to great lengths to not show much of the pirates actually doing pirate things after the start of the first movie, but they never did anything to show that they weren't typical pirates either. They just showed the villains being assholes as well so you'd forget it.

[fw91]

Tony Perkis in Heavyweights. Sure he might have been arrogant, but those kids would not put in the effort. He even wanted to be their friends and was very friendly in his introduction. It wasn't until he found the deli meat that he lost it.

[Koda, Master Crunchyroller]

Watchmen. Ozymandias was right in that they needed to do SOMETHING to prevent World War III/nuclear holocaust from happening.

Now how he went about it is something else entirely.

[hossfan]

Prinicpal Rooney in "Ferris Beuller's Day Off"

[Urethra Franklin]

Jun 3, 2012 13:06:42 GMT -5 ohiofan1 said:

Jun 3, 2012 12:57:44 GMT -5 @fsinfan said:

Pretty much. The whos are asshats.

The main reason I dislike the live action version. Plus, they are very creepy looking

Speaking of creepy, how weird is it that Cindy Lou Who is...

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[Knailsic From Now On]

Jun 3, 2012 13:49:22 GMT -5 Urethra Franklin said:

Speaking of creepy, how weird is it that Cindy Lou Who is...

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My friend has told me numerous times how hot he thinks she is (I can see why) he also said her band isn't bad

[mcmahonfan85]

Jun 3, 2012 12:49:12 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

Star Trek: Insurrection was on today and the plot involved preventing the peaceful movement of 600 colonists so that a species could use a scientific macguffin that'd not only save their species, but benefit medical technology that'd affect billions. They went to great lengths to explain why the "villain" species had to do it the way they were going to, but Picard was willing to condemn them to death so a bunch of space hippies wouldn't be moved to a different planet where they could continue to be space hippies. I don't get we're supposed to cheer for 600 when billions miss out by protecting them.

...i take it you don't have a problem with the past suffering of the native american people, being forced to leave their land to make room for white people. by forcing the space hippies to move from their world which grants them eternal life, they're going to die so that a bunch of aliens obsessed with plastic surgery can look young (and like hell they'd share it with billions)

[Jonathan Michaels]

2012.

Why exactly is Oliver Platt the jerk?

Everything he says is pretty correct, given the situation.

[agent817]

Jun 3, 2012 13:15:56 GMT -5 fw91 said:

Tony Perkis in Heavyweights. Sure he might have been arrogant, but those kids would not put in the effort. He even wanted to be their friends and was very friendly in his introduction. It wasn't until he found the deli meat that he lost it.

You have to admit, the way he said "deli meat" in that movie was priceless. He went a little crazy towards the end, though.

[Push R Truth]

The Predator in... well, Predator.

Just hangin out in a jungle hunting armed drug cartel stooges. Sure, he's dishing out pain, but everybody else pulled a weapon on him first.


All Arny and company had to do was holster their weapons and play blackjack with the dude.

[Hit Girl]

I suppose they're not outright villains, but Keys and the government personnel were justifiably hunting ET and were right to quarentine the house. He's an alien. He could brought something dangerous with him.

[dav]

Jun 3, 2012 15:23:17 GMT -5 mcmahonfan85 said:

Jun 3, 2012 12:49:12 GMT -5 Red Impact said:

Star Trek: Insurrection was on today and the plot involved preventing the peaceful movement of 600 colonists so that a species could use a scientific macguffin that'd not only save their species, but benefit medical technology that'd affect billions. They went to great lengths to explain why the "villain" species had to do it the way they were going to, but Picard was willing to condemn them to death so a bunch of space hippies wouldn't be moved to a different planet where they could continue to be space hippies. I don't get we're supposed to cheer for 600 when billions miss out by protecting them.

...i take it you don't have a problem with the past suffering of the native american people, being forced to leave their land to make room for white people. by forcing the space hippies to move from their world which grants them eternal life, they're going to die so that a bunch of aliens obsessed with plastic surgery can look young (and like hell they'd share it with billions)

Actually, they were going to force them from their home so they wouldn't die when Starfleet bombed the planet to allow the benefits be felt by billions. Also, it was more than plastic surgery the aliens wanted, they were going to die without the treatment Starfleet were offering. And since Starfleet were running the operation, they were going to get the benefits. Keep in mind that Picard was perfectly happy to see similar incidents take place throughout the series when ordered to by Starfleet.

[Hit Girl]

Jun 3, 2012 15:52:28 GMT -5 dav said:

Jun 3, 2012 15:23:17 GMT -5 mcmahonfan85 said:

...i take it you don't have a problem with the past suffering of the native american people, being forced to leave their land to make room for white people. by forcing the space hippies to move from their world which grants them eternal life, they're going to die so that a bunch of aliens obsessed with plastic surgery can look young (and like hell they'd share it with billions)

Actually, they were going to force them from their home so they wouldn't die when Starfleet bombed the planet to allow the benefits be felt by billions. Also, it was more than plastic surgery the aliens wanted, they were going to die without the treatment Starfleet were offering. And since Starfleet were running the operation, they were going to get the benefits. Keep in mind that Picard was perfectly happy to see similar incidents take place throughout the series when ordered to by Starfleet.

Yep.

In "The Ensigns Of Command" he sends Data to remove a colony from a Sheliak planet. In "Journey's End", he tries to remove a Native American colony from a Cardassian planet.

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Four words:

Ferris Bueller's Day Off.