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Post by Jazzman on Mar 4, 2011 0:25:27 GMT -5
I hope after his loss tonight it is the end of Joe Stevenson. I never really cared for the guy that much, a decent fighter but I didn't get what was so special. He's just a gate keeper now and with 5 losses in his last 7 fights, I think it's his time.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Mar 4, 2011 0:48:01 GMT -5
I hope after his loss tonight it is the end of Joe Stevenson. I never really cared for the guy that much, a decent fighter but I didn't get what was so special. He's just a gate keeper now and with 5 losses in his last 7 fights, I think it's his time. Although I would tend to agree, it's not so much that he's 5 out of 7, it's that he's on a losing streak, losing to people he should have beaten. He's fighting in a division where there are way too many good prospects these days. He can longer be at Welterweight, and he can't cut down anymore... so, you know, maybe it's time for him to move on.
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Post by Asics Johnson on Mar 4, 2011 13:41:19 GMT -5
Seriously, what happened to Joe Stevenson? He was a force to be reckoned with when he first hit the scene, and now he's pretty much a laughingstock. It's a shame, really, but he reminds me more of Brandon Vera (a more tolerable, humble Brandon Vera) every time he gets in the cage.
Can anybody point to any one event in his career that instigated his downfall? I've been watching him since his debut with the UFC, and I can't seem to pinpoint when he started falling off.
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Post by jgobats81886 on Mar 4, 2011 18:13:27 GMT -5
Seriously, what happened to Joe Stevenson? He was a force to be reckoned with when he first hit the scene, and now he's pretty much a laughingstock. It's a shame, really, but he reminds me more of Brandon Vera (a more tolerable, humble Brandon Vera) every time he gets in the cage. Can anybody point to any one event in his career that instigated his downfall? I've been watching him since his debut with the UFC, and I can't seem to pinpoint when he started falling off. The BJ Penn fight?
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Post by Nacho STAYS Hyped on Mar 4, 2011 18:15:28 GMT -5
Seriously, what happened to Joe Stevenson? He was a force to be reckoned with when he first hit the scene, and now he's pretty much a laughingstock. It's a shame, really, but he reminds me more of Brandon Vera (a more tolerable, humble Brandon Vera) every time he gets in the cage. Can anybody point to any one event in his career that instigated his downfall? I've been watching him since his debut with the UFC, and I can't seem to pinpoint when he started falling off. The BJ Penn fight? Even after that, he beat Nate Diaz and Spencer Fisher, who aren't slouches. I mean, he lost a tough fight to George Sotiropolous, which there is no shame in. Then he got KTFO'd by Mac Danzig of all people. I don't know what happened in between then.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Mar 4, 2011 18:50:41 GMT -5
Seriously, what happened to Joe Stevenson? He was a force to be reckoned with when he first hit the scene, and now he's pretty much a laughingstock. It's a shame, really, but he reminds me more of Brandon Vera (a more tolerable, humble Brandon Vera) every time he gets in the cage. Can anybody point to any one event in his career that instigated his downfall? I've been watching him since his debut with the UFC, and I can't seem to pinpoint when he started falling off. The Lightweight division is the most stacked division in the UFC right now. When a guy like BJ Penn is forced out, or when a guy like G-Sot had to wait this long... only to lose it, his title shot. It literally means... "Lose twice in a row, you are gone" division. They were just being nice to him.
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Post by Spankymac is sick of the swiss on Mar 5, 2011 0:59:49 GMT -5
Seriously, what happened to Joe Stevenson? He was a force to be reckoned with when he first hit the scene, and now he's pretty much a laughingstock. It's a shame, really, but he reminds me more of Brandon Vera (a more tolerable, humble Brandon Vera) every time he gets in the cage. Can anybody point to any one event in his career that instigated his downfall? I've been watching him since his debut with the UFC, and I can't seem to pinpoint when he started falling off. The Lightweight division is the most stacked division in the UFC right now. When a guy like BJ Penn is forced out, or when a guy like G-Sot had to wait this long... only to lose it, his title shot. It literally means... "Lose twice in a row, you are gone" division. They were just being nice to him. Indeed. I haven't been a fan for long, but the 155 guys are the guys that ALWAYS interest me when I watch. I can't remember the last time I saw a truly boring fight at 155.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Mar 5, 2011 1:37:02 GMT -5
Seriously, what happened to Joe Stevenson? He was a force to be reckoned with when he first hit the scene, and now he's pretty much a laughingstock. It's a shame, really, but he reminds me more of Brandon Vera (a more tolerable, humble Brandon Vera) every time he gets in the cage. Can anybody point to any one event in his career that instigated his downfall? I've been watching him since his debut with the UFC, and I can't seem to pinpoint when he started falling off. He's just swimming in division full of well-rounded fighters that better than him now. Nate's improved. Why do you think Nate moved up? Life at 155 is extremely tough. You lose two in a row the UFC as 155er, you better ready to get cut, or go down to 145. Maybe eve up to 170. When it comes to talent, the 155 division is brimming.
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Post by Cela on Mar 5, 2011 1:42:20 GMT -5
People enough about Stevenson. This guy Won! Blood was squirting from his face during the interview. Squirting!
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 5, 2011 2:40:45 GMT -5
Sanchez vs. Kampmann has to be the biggest robbery in MMA since the first Shogun, Machida fight.
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Post by Cela on Mar 5, 2011 3:39:36 GMT -5
Sanchez vs. Kampmann has to be the biggest robbery in MMA since the first Shogun, Machida fight. Just remember, you can stuff 14 takedowns effortlessly, but if they get one, too bad.
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Post by The Deadly Snake on Mar 5, 2011 4:47:14 GMT -5
Sanchez vs. Kampmann has to be the biggest robbery in MMA since the first Shogun, Machida fight. Just remember, you can stuff 14 takedowns effortlessly, but if they get one, too bad. I disagree. It wasn't a robbery, even if Kampann should have won... but he didn't. You want to know why? He didn't do enough in the other two rounds. Each round is weighted equally. That's just the way it is. I've seen matches where a guy absolutely dominates in the first, but gasses out. Then he does nothing for the next two rounds. Technically, he should won by doing more overall, but since it's a round by round system, guess what? He lost. Kampmann could have gotten the decision. He just got complacent. He's a great fighter with some of the worst gameplanning that the UFC welterweight division has ever seen. He should have won, but he could have done more in the other rounds. that's what you get for getting complacent.
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Post by Asics Johnson on Mar 7, 2011 7:44:32 GMT -5
Figured that would need to be posted in the good ol' MMA Thread at some point or another. What do you guys think about this? Personally, I think Batista is getting in WAY over his head with this project. That is, unless the companies he winds up fighting for are smart enough to market him only as a special attraction fighter, like Herschel Walker in StrikeForce, and only have him face tomato cans every time he hits the cage, like Herschel Walker in StrikeForce.
That said, I've been hearing he may be slated to take on Ken Shamrock in his debut fight. I do think he stands a chance in there with Shamrock, but then again, I think any one of us would stand a chance in there with Shamrock these days. The guy is one of my favorite fighters of all time, and I'll always have a soft spot for him... but he doesn't belong in the cage any longer, and hasn't for quite some time now. Hopefully, he'll either pass on this fight, or take the fight and conveniently get injured directly before it takes place, just like he did the last time he was supposed to take on a former pro wrestler in Bobby Lashley.
Speaking of which, when is Bob The Bathturd fighting again?
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Post by mysterydriver on Mar 7, 2011 10:41:11 GMT -5
Lashley's next fight is supposed to be March 25th for Titan FC facing James Jack (5-4-1). While he hasn't said anything, his team is officially using the "mono" excuse for his loss to Griggs.
And Batista better know how to stuff a takedown or I see him going the way of James Toney. Even Shamrock is smart enough to know, sweep the leg, grab a submission, thank everyone for the easy paycheck.
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Post by The Summer of Muskrat XVII on Mar 7, 2011 18:43:57 GMT -5
Hopefully, he'll either pass on this fight, or take the fight and conveniently get injured directly before it takes place, just like he did the last time he was supposed to take on a former pro wrestler in Bobby Lashley. Did he do that to Lashley too? I remember that happening when Ken was supposed to face Kimbo, but I believe that turned out to be a money issue but I can't remember for sure.
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Post by zeez on Mar 7, 2011 23:44:29 GMT -5
The only bad thing about Batista fighting for Bamma is I won't get to see it live. Oh well. Let's see how he does.
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Post by Asics Johnson on Mar 8, 2011 8:04:36 GMT -5
Did he do that to Lashley too? I remember that happening when Ken was supposed to face Kimbo, but I believe that turned out to be a money issue but I can't remember for sure. Whoops, I stand corrected. You're right, it was the Kimbo fight that he pulled out of due to "injury." When he was slated to face Bobby Lashley, he got popped for steroids, and Lashley had to find another opponent. Either way...
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Post by Asics Johnson on Mar 8, 2011 8:09:10 GMT -5
Lashley's next fight is supposed to be March 25th for Titan FC facing James Jack (5-4-1). While he hasn't said anything, his team is officially using the "mono" excuse for his loss to Griggs. And Batista better know how to stuff a takedown or I see him going the way of James Toney. Even Shamrock is smart enough to know, sweep the leg, grab a submission, thank everyone for the easy paycheck. Mono? Really? I wonder why they'd use that excuse when they could easily, and legitimately, use the "bad officiating" excuse for that fight. Lashley was dominating Griggs (aside from being busted open, but that was a glove cut, not from the actual punch itself) for pretty much the entire fight. He had him on the ground, and was grinding it out when the ref stood them up with 30 seconds left in the round... not because of lack of action, mind you, but to have Lashley's eye checked by a doctor. They should've started the action back on the ground, but instead kept them standing for some reason, and Griggs caught a lucky stoppage as the bell sounded. That ending was pretty much garbage, in my book. Sure, Lashley may have ended up losing, but it definitely didn't look that way until the ref stood them up for no good reason. It's like he just wanted to stand the fight back up so the "fake wrestler" would no longer have the advantage. ... whatever the case, MMA Refs are dumb.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 12:09:13 GMT -5
Lashley's next fight is supposed to be March 25th for Titan FC facing James Jack (5-4-1). While he hasn't said anything, his team is officially using the "mono" excuse for his loss to Griggs. And Batista better know how to stuff a takedown or I see him going the way of James Toney. Even Shamrock is smart enough to know, sweep the leg, grab a submission, thank everyone for the easy paycheck. Mono? Really? I wonder why they'd use that excuse when they could easily, and legitimately, use the "bad officiating" excuse for that fight. Lashley was dominating Griggs (aside from being busted open, but that was a glove cut, not from the actual punch itself) for pretty much the entire fight. He had him on the ground, and was grinding it out when the ref stood them up with 30 seconds left in the round... not because of lack of action, mind you, but to have Lashley's eye checked by a doctor. They should've started the action back on the ground, but instead kept them standing for some reason, and Griggs caught a lucky stoppage as the bell sounded. That ending was pretty much garbage, in my book. Sure, Lashley may have ended up losing, but it definitely didn't look that way until the ref stood them up for no good reason. It's like he just wanted to stand the fight back up so the "fake wrestler" would no longer have the advantage. ... whatever the case, MMA Refs are dumb. eh... maybe. But a good double leg will only get you so far. Ask Brock. If he'd somehow made it to play with the big boys (i.e. Fedor, Barnett, Overeem, Bigfoot, Sergei Kharitonov, and Werdum), he probably would have been beaten to a bloody pulp. Not hating on the guy, but you can only train so much when you start late and have the injuries of pro wrestling under your belt (ask Shamrock). That said, I wish Vince would either have another Brawl for All or let some of his lower card guys try out the MMA thing, because I think a few of them could at least crush a few cans. Swagger is an All-American (American) Wrestler, Kozlov is built like a brick shithouse and is a Sambo Champion, and Santino has a black belt in judo, I believe, and is a competent grappler.
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Post by Asics Johnson on Mar 8, 2011 14:15:54 GMT -5
Eh... maybe. But a good double leg will only get you so far. Ask Brock. If he'd somehow made it to play with the big boys (i.e. Fedor, Barnett, Overeem, Bigfoot, Sergei Kharitonov, and Werdum), he probably would have been beaten to a bloody pulp. Not hating on the guy, but you can only train so much when you start late and have the injuries of pro wrestling under your belt (ask Shamrock). That said, I wish Vince would either have another Brawl for All or let some of his lower card guys try out the MMA thing, because I think a few of them could at least crush a few cans. Swagger is an All-American (American) Wrestler, Kozlov is built like a brick s***house and is a Sambo Champion, and Santino has a black belt in judo, I believe, and is a competent grappler. Oh, I definitely wouldn't argue with you on that first point for Lashley. I think Brock could at least hang with any of those guys you mentioned, but Lashley would be easily handled by the bloody lot of them. I do think, however, that he could have/would have beaten Chad Griggs his last time out. It's just a shame that he wasn't allowed to continue bleeding for 30 more seconds, because we probably would have seen a completely different outcome than the one we saw. That was my whole thing. Not that Lashley is a superman, and can only be beaten by unconventional means... but he would've won THAT fight, had it not been for bad officiating. As far as Brock goes, though, he gets a bad rap. He went up against a two undefeated super-soldiers in a row, and was beaten by the second one... no shame in that. I dunno why people were so quick to rag on him, and say that he's not a good fighter just because he lost to Cain Velasquez. He's done quite a bit for someone who has only been around the sport for a couple of years, especially at his age, but people immediately jumped all over him just because he had one misstep. I don't get it. ... but a new Brawl For All? I'd pay good money to see that, sir!
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