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Post by RedSmile on Jul 26, 2012 17:14:59 GMT -5
What's the point of the belt? To catch her boobs in case they fall out?
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Post by Lila on Jul 26, 2012 17:15:37 GMT -5
Your comment and avatar work well together.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 26, 2012 17:18:48 GMT -5
Okay, let's pretend that the girl in the first thing is right in that she wasn't trying to be sexy or provocative and not trying to appeal to the opposite sex. Fine.
Looking at the picture. Really look at it, how she framed it, and what stands out from it, and what springs to mind.....
What is that suppose to represent?
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Post by King Ghidorah on Jul 26, 2012 17:20:32 GMT -5
Misreading the message? Showing her cleavage with no pants on, how are you supposed to read that? Pardon my french, I meant artistic. Not having the pants on threw me off.
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Post by RedSmile on Jul 26, 2012 17:21:14 GMT -5
Okay, let's pretend that the girl in the first thing is right in that she wasn't trying to be sexy or provocative and not trying to appeal to the opposite sex. Fine. Looking at the picture. Really look at it, how she framed it, and what stands out from it, and what springs to mind..... What is that suppose to represent? She either looks like faked horny or hungover, maybe both.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jul 26, 2012 17:29:28 GMT -5
OK, here's my two cents. Behind the SPOILER tag is my current Facebook profile picture. {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicole-1.jpg) That's me and my wife. I think we both look really good in that picture. We both have received compliments about it. (her more than me, haha.) But the thing is, I can see the picture; I know what it looks like and I know the message it sends. (or at least, I have a pretty good idea.) Now, an older Facebook profile picture, also featuring my wife and I: {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicolekiss.jpg) A bit more "risque" by some standards, but still innocent, IMO, since it's just a kiss, we're a committed couple, and it's expressing love and commitment. Upon seeing the second picture, a friend (and former roommate) of mine said something like, "You know there's a [porn site] version of your profile picture, right? LOL!" I chuckled, and then realized that he may have had a point - that much like haters and hating, creepers are going to creep. I kept it in my album, but changed the actual display picture to avoid such things. Do I feel like a victim? Nope. Do I feel as though either my wife or I were disrespected in any way? Not at all. Should I really feel the need to justify anything to anybody about my own relationship, my own body, or anything of the sort? No ... BUT, it happens. Rather than try to diffuse any situations or defend anything, I did the sensible thing: I moved the picture elsewhere, and if anyone left objectionable comments, I deleted them (the comment, or in some cases, the friend) rather than get into a stupid internet argument and look and feel like an idiot. Your mileage may vary, but those are my two cents. No, the people shouldn't be "perverted," but the girl needs to realize that things are going to happen because it's the internet. (and "perverted" is subjective; someone might get offended by something as simple as "Wow, you're pretty!" and could justify it as much as anyone else.)
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 26, 2012 17:32:24 GMT -5
OK, here's my two cents. Behind the SPOILER tag is my current Facebook profile picture. {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicole-1.jpg) That's me and my wife. I think we both look really good in that picture. We both have received compliments about it. (her more than me, haha.) But the thing is, I can see the picture; I know what it looks like and I know the message it sends. (or at least, I have a pretty good idea.) Now, an older Facebook profile picture, also featuring my wife and I: {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicolekiss.jpg) A bit more "risque" by some standards, but still innocent, IMO, since it's just a kiss, we're a committed couple, and it's expressing love and commitment. Upon seeing the second picture, a friend (and former roommate) of mine said something like, "You know there's a [porn site] version of your profile picture, right? LOL!" I chuckled, and then realized that he may have had a point - that much like haters and hating, creepers are going to creep. I kept it in my album, but changed the actual display picture to avoid such things. Do I feel like a victim? Nope. Do I feel as though either my wife or I were disrespected in any way? Not at all. Should I really feel the need to justify anything to anybody about my own relationship, my own body, or anything of the sort? No ... BUT, it happens. Rather than try to diffuse any situations or defend anything, I did the sensible thing: I moved the picture elsewhere, and if anyone left objectionable comments, I deleted them (the comment, or in some cases, the friend) rather than get into a stupid internet argument and look and feel like an idiot. Your mileage may vary, but those are my two cents. No, the people shouldn't be "perverted," but the girl needs to realize that things are going to happen because it's the internet. (and "perverted" is subjective; someone might get offended by something as simple as "Wow, you're pretty!" and could justify it as much as anyone else.) Even then there's a pretty huge distance between that picture and a girl whipping her tits out. Women aren't babies. They know what they're doing when they put up these pictures. They should anticipate the responses.
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Post by theryno665 on Jul 26, 2012 17:32:28 GMT -5
Your comment and avatar work well together. Holy crap, I didn't realize that. I lol'd heartily.
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Post by The Line on Jul 26, 2012 17:39:35 GMT -5
Okay, let's pretend that the girl in the first thing is right in that she wasn't trying to be sexy or provocative and not trying to appeal to the opposite sex. Fine. Looking at the picture. Really look at it, how she framed it, and what stands out from it, and what springs to mind..... What is that suppose to represent? Again, wanting to look good/sexy/etc is not an open invitation for harassment.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 26, 2012 17:41:24 GMT -5
OK, here's my two cents. Behind the SPOILER tag is my current Facebook profile picture. {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicole-1.jpg) That's me and my wife. I think we both look really good in that picture. We both have received compliments about it. (her more than me, haha.) But the thing is, I can see the picture; I know what it looks like and I know the message it sends. (or at least, I have a pretty good idea.) Now, an older Facebook profile picture, also featuring my wife and I: {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicolekiss.jpg) A bit more "risque" by some standards, but still innocent, IMO, since it's just a kiss, we're a committed couple, and it's expressing love and commitment. Upon seeing the second picture, a friend (and former roommate) of mine said something like, "You know there's a [porn site] version of your profile picture, right? LOL!" I chuckled, and then realized that he may have had a point - that much like haters and hating, creepers are going to creep. I kept it in my album, but changed the actual display picture to avoid such things. Do I feel like a victim? Nope. Do I feel as though either my wife or I were disrespected in any way? Not at all. Should I really feel the need to justify anything to anybody about my own relationship, my own body, or anything of the sort? No ... BUT, it happens. Rather than try to diffuse any situations or defend anything, I did the sensible thing: I moved the picture elsewhere, and if anyone left objectionable comments, I deleted them (the comment, or in some cases, the friend) rather than get into a stupid internet argument and look and feel like an idiot. Your mileage may vary, but those are my two cents. No, the people shouldn't be "perverted," but the girl needs to realize that things are going to happen because it's the internet. (and "perverted" is subjective; someone might get offended by something as simple as "Wow, you're pretty!" and could justify it as much as anyone else.) Even then there's a pretty huge distance between that picture and a girl whipping her tits out. Women aren't babies. They know what they're doing when they put up these pictures. They should anticipate the responses. So people should anticipate sexual harassment?
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jul 26, 2012 17:43:52 GMT -5
OK, here's my two cents. Behind the SPOILER tag is my current Facebook profile picture. {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicole-1.jpg) That's me and my wife. I think we both look really good in that picture. We both have received compliments about it. (her more than me, haha.) But the thing is, I can see the picture; I know what it looks like and I know the message it sends. (or at least, I have a pretty good idea.) Now, an older Facebook profile picture, also featuring my wife and I: {Spoiler} ![](http://i92.photobucket.com/albums/l35/CactusMatt42180/MattandNicolekiss.jpg) A bit more "risque" by some standards, but still innocent, IMO, since it's just a kiss, we're a committed couple, and it's expressing love and commitment. Upon seeing the second picture, a friend (and former roommate) of mine said something like, "You know there's a [porn site] version of your profile picture, right? LOL!" I chuckled, and then realized that he may have had a point - that much like haters and hating, creepers are going to creep. I kept it in my album, but changed the actual display picture to avoid such things. Do I feel like a victim? Nope. Do I feel as though either my wife or I were disrespected in any way? Not at all. Should I really feel the need to justify anything to anybody about my own relationship, my own body, or anything of the sort? No ... BUT, it happens. Rather than try to diffuse any situations or defend anything, I did the sensible thing: I moved the picture elsewhere, and if anyone left objectionable comments, I deleted them (the comment, or in some cases, the friend) rather than get into a stupid internet argument and look and feel like an idiot. Your mileage may vary, but those are my two cents. No, the people shouldn't be "perverted," but the girl needs to realize that things are going to happen because it's the internet. (and "perverted" is subjective; someone might get offended by something as simple as "Wow, you're pretty!" and could justify it as much as anyone else.) Even then there's a pretty huge distance between that picture and a girl whipping her tits out. Women aren't babies. They know what they're doing when they put up these pictures. They should anticipate the responses. Right, I agree. I guess that was kind of my point. Like, my wife is rather, um, "blessed" in the breastal region. She makes sure to dress appropriately in public and the overwhelming majority of her pictures on Facebook are cleavage-free. She knows what might happen, so she avoids the situation entirely. It's why I don't post statuses like "Woe is me!" or things of that nature. It's attention-whoring, IMO. And if I had some John Morrison-like abs, I'd show them off and not feel ashamed and thank the people who complimented me. That girl in the OP has some nice features and, since it's apparent that she knows it, she should have anticipated the responses. Sorry for the confusion.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jul 26, 2012 17:45:45 GMT -5
Even then there's a pretty huge distance between that picture and a girl whipping her tits out. Women aren't babies. They know what they're doing when they put up these pictures. They should anticipate the responses. So people should anticipate sexual harassment? On Facebook/the internet? Yes. Yes they should.
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Post by Michael Coello on Jul 26, 2012 17:46:25 GMT -5
Okay, let's pretend that the girl in the first thing is right in that she wasn't trying to be sexy or provocative and not trying to appeal to the opposite sex. Fine. Looking at the picture. Really look at it, how she framed it, and what stands out from it, and what springs to mind..... What is that suppose to represent? Again, wanting to look good/sexy/etc is not an open invitation for harassment. And, again, just saying someone looks good/pretty/hot is not harassment.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Jul 26, 2012 17:51:19 GMT -5
So people should anticipate sexual harassment? On Facebook/the internet? Yes. Yes they should. Why though? And again, this is still done in real life. Believe me, as a construction worker, I've seen people harass women just walking by. And female co-workers that I've worked with can't stand it when it's done to them, just randomly walking down the street. The slut walk was brought up, and I skimmed through that but I should look it up again. It's not right to sexual harass people no matter what they're wearing. And again, people are going to be iffy with terms of harassment. Some people might be man haters and claim saying you look nice could constitute harassment. But, it seems like here, she's getting creepy responses. And I believe it, just based on living with someone who has a pof account, and getting random sexual messages for just existing, it's going to happen. So a lot of it is the principle. Someone posted on my Facebook, well, it was my friends list here. But it was a tip guide for rapists and what they should do instead of raping, comparing it to the fact that women have to do certain things to avoid being raped. And people are equating rape with this because the responses are similar to that of rape victims. You shouldn't have dressed like this, you should have seen it coming, this and that, and it's bulls***. I'm not talking about, oh you look hot. People should expect that. But, when people are giving out creepy messages, online especially with the anonymity and potential for having a stalker, that should be scoffed at. I hate this attitude of, "well, we can't do nothing about it". It's shouldn't be accepted, it should be shamed at least. Again, wanting to look good/sexy/etc is not an open invitation for harassment. And, again, just saying someone looks good/pretty/hot is not harassment. That's not what people here are talking about. It's about private messages, which again, happen to some people just for existing.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jul 26, 2012 17:51:29 GMT -5
Okay, let's pretend that the girl in the first thing is right in that she wasn't trying to be sexy or provocative and not trying to appeal to the opposite sex. Fine. Looking at the picture. Really look at it, how she framed it, and what stands out from it, and what springs to mind..... What is that suppose to represent? What does that matter? It's for her to interpret; it could be "showing off this outfit", it could be "I like this pose", it could be something innocent or something not-so-innocent...who cares? It's her business, and none of it justifies it if she's getting pervs commenting on it. Women sometimes wear revealing clothing; it's the way fashion tends to go. The woman at the bar in the skimpy red dress isn't necessarily wearing it so she can get some guy's attention that night; she might be wearing it because she simply likes it, because she wants her boyfriend to see it, because who-gives-a-damn-because-it's-none-of-our-business. Now here's where I'll concede that things can get a bit dicey: I know full well that if I have a daughter in the future, one of the internet lessons I'll try to impart on her is that if she chooses to put up pictures of herself in revealing clothing, in a "suggestive" pose, in a bikini, etc., then unfortunately she has to be prepared for awful creepers to write things to her. If I find out this possible-future-girl does it, anyway, I'm pretty sure I'd be upset with her not listening to me. How do I square that? I DON'T believe a woman is to blame for bringing on creeper attention, because arguing that is a means of justifying creeper behavior ("Your Honor, you shoulda seen the outfit she had on!"). Yet at the same time there's a feeling of that you'd want to tell your own theoretical daughter or whomever "Honey, you have to know better." It boils down to this: there's a saying that says "We need to stop teaching people how not to get raped/harrassed/etc., and start teaching people to just not rape/harrass/etc." It's true; the core of the problem is people with no social intelligence, with no respect for other human beings once they feel they've been sexualized, who cross these lines and make life miserable for so many people. If this core problem isn't being dealt with, then we're resorting to telling girls "don't dress sexy! Don't put pictures of yourself online! Don't do this, that, or the other thing!" That's a scary, scary thought, telling half the population NOT to do so many things that really shouldn't be considered poor behavior. Again, it basically justifies the creepers; "If she hadn't posed like that/dressed that way/etc. then nothing bad would've happened!". No, something bad happened because some creepy freak overstepped the bounds of appropriateness. That said, again, it's tough NOT to tell sisters/daughters/etc. these things, because rooting out creeper behavior is simply not something that'll happen overnight. It's tough not to feel "you have to expect that there are awful people who'll do/say/write awful things". But again, to make that the focus of one's take on it is to ignore the root causes of poor behavior. I could be foolish and leave my XM radio unit visible in my car when I park on the street outside my apartment, and it could get stolen...should I have not left it visible? Yeah, that's probably fair to say. But does scolding me over that really address why some criminal would come by and destroy property and steal somebody else's things?
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Post by kidglov3s on Jul 26, 2012 17:54:15 GMT -5
Okay, let's pretend that the girl in the first thing is right in that she wasn't trying to be sexy or provocative and not trying to appeal to the opposite sex. Fine. Looking at the picture. Really look at it, how she framed it, and what stands out from it, and what springs to mind..... What is that suppose to represent? Again, wanting to look good/sexy/etc is not an open invitation for harassment. Harassment? I don't know. Sexual responses? Yes. When you put up a picture displaying a sex characteristic, as breasts are secondary sex characteristics, in a provocative manner, it's reasonable to expect to receive responses that acknowledge this. Especially if the medium is internet comments. EDIT: Wait I'm in a hurry for class I didn't read the line to fully process it's meaning. It's not an invitation for harassment. Or an invitation for sexual attention. But she should be aware (and to be of that age you are aware) that it might draw sexual attention. Drawing sexual attention isn't a bad thing. Like I'm not sex-negative. But let's not be obtuse when that's what you're doing. Does that make the people that send those responses, especially if they are degrading or attack against her, slurs, etc, right do so? Not at all. She's not "wrong" in any of this. But at the same time I don't think she should really be shocked to receive sexual responses. That's just intellectually dishonest.
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Post by The Line on Jul 26, 2012 17:56:11 GMT -5
Again, wanting to look good/sexy/etc is not an open invitation for harassment. And, again, just saying someone looks good/pretty/hot is not harassment. As I said earlier, it looks as though she was implying that she received some not so PG private messages, or at least that's what I took from it(again, just like the shorts, I may be wrong).
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Post by The Ichi on Jul 26, 2012 17:59:11 GMT -5
Okay, let's pretend that the girl in the first thing is right in that she wasn't trying to be sexy or provocative and not trying to appeal to the opposite sex. Fine. Looking at the picture. Really look at it, how she framed it, and what stands out from it, and what springs to mind..... What is that suppose to represent? What does that matter? It's for her to interpret; it could be "showing off this outfit", it could be "I like this pose", it could be something innocent or something not-so-innocent...who cares? It's her business, and none of it justifies it if she's getting pervs commenting on it. Women sometimes wear revealing clothing; it's the way fashion tends to go. The woman at the bar in the skimpy red dress isn't necessarily wearing it so she can get some guy's attention that night; she might be wearing it because she simply likes it, because she wants her boyfriend to see it, because who-gives-a-damn-because-it's-none-of-our-business. Now here's where I'll concede that things can get a bit dicey: I know full well that if I have a daughter in the future, one of the internet lessons I'll try to impart on her is that if she chooses to put up pictures of herself in revealing clothing, in a "suggestive" pose, in a bikini, etc., then unfortunately she has to be prepared for awful creepers to write things to her. If I find out this possible-future-girl does it, anyway, I'm pretty sure I'd be upset with her not listening to me. How do I square that? I DON'T believe a woman is to blame for bringing on creeper attention, because arguing that is a means of justifying creeper behavior ("Your Honor, you shoulda seen the outfit she had on!"). Yet at the same time there's a feeling of that you'd want to tell your own theoretical daughter or whomever "Honey, you have to know better." It boils down to this: there's a saying that says "We need to stop teaching people how not to get raped/harrassed/etc., and start teaching people to just not rape/harrass/etc." It's true; the core of the problem is people with no social intelligence, with no respect for other human beings once they feel they've been sexualized, who cross these lines and make life miserable for so many people. If this core problem isn't being dealt with, then we're resorting to telling girls "don't dress sexy! Don't put pictures of yourself online! Don't do this, that, or the other thing!" That's a scary, scary thought, telling half the population NOT to do so many things that really shouldn't be considered poor behavior. Again, it basically justifies the creepers; "If she hadn't posed like that/dressed that way/etc. then nothing bad would've happened!". No, something bad happened because some creepy freak overstepped the bounds of appropriateness. That said, again, it's tough NOT to tell sisters/daughters/etc. these things, because rooting out creeper behavior is simply not something that'll happen overnight. It's tough not to feel "you have to expect that there are awful people who'll do/say/write awful things". But again, to make that the focus of one's take on it is to ignore the root causes of poor behavior. I could be foolish and leave my XM radio unit visible in my car when I park on the street outside my apartment, and it could get stolen...should I have not left it visible? Yeah, that's probably fair to say. But does scolding me over that really address why some criminal would come by and destroy property and steal somebody else's things? Post of the thread here.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Jul 26, 2012 18:02:00 GMT -5
On Facebook/the internet? Yes. Yes they should. Why though? And again, this is still done in real life. Believe me, as a construction worker, I've seen people harass women just walking by. And female co-workers that I've worked with can't stand it when it's done to them, just randomly walking down the street. The slut walk was brought up, and I skimmed through that but I should look it up again. It's not right to sexual harass people no matter what they're wearing. And again, people are going to be iffy with terms of harassment. Some people might be man haters and claim saying you look nice could constitute harassment. But, it seems like here, she's getting creepy responses. And I believe it, just based on living with someone who has a pof account, and getting random sexual messages for just existing, it's going to happen. So a lot of it is the principle. Someone posted on my Facebook, well, it was my friends list here. But it was a tip guide for rapists and what they should do instead of raping, comparing it to the fact that women have to do certain things to avoid being raped. And people are equating rape with this because the responses are similar to that of rape victims. You shouldn't have dressed like this, you should have seen it coming, this and that, and it's bulls***. I'm not talking about, oh you look hot. People should expect that. But, when people are giving out creepy messages, online especially with the anonymity and potential for having a stalker, that should be scoffed at. I hate this attitude of, "well, we can't do nothing about it". It's shouldn't be accepted, it should be shamed at least. I don't know why, man. I really don't. That's just the way some people are. You can put a picture of a puppy eating an ice cream cone, and some asshole somewhere will have something shitty to say about it. It's a fact of life. It's like Rule 34: if it exists, there's porn of it. I'm not saying don't post pictures of yourself looking attractive/sexy/whatever; I'm just saying don't be surprised to find out that it's in some dude's spank bank. And with the way people and society in general are these days, with the "everyone has to know everything about everyone" mentality, it does not surprise me in the least when comments like that get made. In fact, it would surprise me more if nobody made a sexual comment about the picture. I don't know the "why." I wish I did, other than to say that people are f***ed up, but I don't. What I do know is what to expect out of most people. I'm not an optimist, or a pessimist; I'm a realist, and the reality of the situation was that a well-endowed young woman was posed in such a position where her "assets" were quite prominent. This in and of itself is not the cause of the "sexual harassment." It's the mentality of her Facebook "friends" that is the cause. I wish I could explain more, but that's really about all I've got.
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Post by Arrow on Jul 26, 2012 18:03:56 GMT -5
No one says that anyone should be posting inappropriate comments, but if you're going to upload these pictures onto the Internet, at least be aware that this might happen. It's a public site where people have the ability to write what they want about her, whether she'd consider it appropriate or not. When I look at this picture and I see her complaining about the comments, I have to ask, "just what did you think was going to happen?" Is it fair? No. Is she doing anything wrong? No. But it's the reality.
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