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Post by Throwback on Dec 21, 2012 17:20:06 GMT -5
Honestly, and at the risk of getting flamed...is Owen even worth it? I was a pretty big fan but he wasn't exactly a gamechanger. I can't help but think WWE want him in the Hall to appease Bret more than themselves. Koko I still stand firm that he was only put in to be used as an argument whenever someone doesn't think a certain person doesn't deserve it.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 21, 2012 17:31:32 GMT -5
I still stand firm that he was only put in to be used as an argument whenever someone doesn't think a certain person doesn't deserve it. That, and the fact that he was more over than revisionist history will have you believe.
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Post by crowwreak was WRONG on Dec 21, 2012 17:46:30 GMT -5
3 words:Drew freaking Carey
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Post by Throwback on Dec 21, 2012 17:49:36 GMT -5
I still stand firm that he was only put in to be used as an argument whenever someone doesn't think a certain person doesn't deserve it. That, and the fact that he was more over than revisionist history will have you believe. I remember him being super over. Me and the kids at school all loved him. But we also used to talked about how much he lost. So even though he was over he was still seen as a jobber.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 21, 2012 17:49:45 GMT -5
Honestly, and at the risk of getting flamed...is Owen even worth it? I was a pretty big fan but he wasn't exactly a gamechanger. I can't help but think WWE want him in the Hall to appease Bret more than themselves. If 1994 belonged to anyone, it was Owen Hart. After that? He just floundered around and became a back up guy the same way Christian is now...a solid hand, but not someone they would put the belt on. Is he worth it? Absolutely. Is he needed? Absolutely not.
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Post by thetower52 on Dec 21, 2012 17:55:39 GMT -5
i like the idea of having bret put the blue blazer in the hall of fame
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 17:56:24 GMT -5
Vince won't put Bruno in the HOF only because Bruno's said no. I think this is the one place where Vince REALLY respects the wrestler and their opinion. I can't help but think WWE want him in the Hall to appease Bret more than themselves. Why do they need to appease Bret? He's doing interviews and appearances alongside Shawn Michaels. I think the water under that bridge is back to flowing normally once more.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 21, 2012 18:34:32 GMT -5
If WWE wants to do the right thing, have her get all the royalties of any videos featuring Owen Hart. I feel that's the only thing she can rightfully do. Bret and the rest of the family I think would feel it would be a nice gesture, and I remember Bret one time wore a t-shirt with him and Owen on it, and he opened it up to a major reaction.
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Post by celticjobber on Dec 21, 2012 18:40:03 GMT -5
i like the idea of having bret put the blue blazer in the hall of fame In his book, Bret Hart said that after Owen died, Bret ended up getting sent a package which contained Owen's bloody Blue Blazer outfit that he died in. So I doubt Bret would want anything to do with that gimmick.
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 21, 2012 19:07:34 GMT -5
It's not a question of money, really, though Martha got $18 million from the wrongful death lawsuit. It's that she does not want Owen's name or memory mentioned in association with WWE, ever (making Ryback's quote from Owen on Raw somewhat more interesting.) It is said that Bret has not seen nor heard from Martha or the kids since the lawsuit was settled; she's cut the Harts out of her and the kids' lives. Mind you, Oje and Athena are old enough now not to follow Martha's lead anymore, but I suspect they're not nearly as close to their uncle Bret as, say, Natalya might be (closest comparison I can give.)
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Dec 21, 2012 19:14:57 GMT -5
I hope you all are not serious when you suggest that WWE should induct the Blue Blazer as a means to circumvent the wishes of Owen's widow. First off, that's just a bad thing to do. Also, the Blue Blazer character itself is so closely associated with Owen's death as it was the basis for the stunt Owen was going to perform. I hope you all are not serious, are joking, or just haven't thought it through.
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Post by mrtuesday on Dec 21, 2012 20:06:25 GMT -5
It's not a question of money, really, though Martha got $18 million from the wrongful death lawsuit. It's that she does not want Owen's name or memory mentioned in association with WWE, ever This is shown when Martha allowed Owen's likeness to be featured in the non-WWE Legends of Wrestling video game series. And I'm sure if a non-WWE Hall of Fame asked, she'd have no problem letting him be inducted. In all honestly, we'd have to wait for Martha to die herself before Owen would be allowed to be inducted in WWE's Hall of Fame. And that is if Owen's children would allow it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2012 20:10:01 GMT -5
Have Bret Hart induct the Blue Blazer. Koko B. Ware double inductee!
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Post by wildojinx on Dec 21, 2012 20:29:27 GMT -5
As for owen's credentials for HOF induction: Held every title in the WWE aside from the hardcore and worlds title, two-time slammy winner, had an innovative high flying style, had memorable feuds with bret, dx, and austin. I'd say that if he hadnt died, those things would get him in anyway.
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Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on Dec 21, 2012 21:08:09 GMT -5
I hope you all are not serious when you suggest that WWE should induct the Blue Blazer as a means to circumvent the wishes of Owen's widow. First off, that's just a bad thing to do. Also, the Blue Blazer character itself is so closely associated with Owen's death as it was the basis for the stunt Owen was going to perform. I hope you all are not serious, are joking, or just haven't thought it through. Knowing this forum, it probably is a joke. If it isn't, I'd love to hear an explanation from them because of the points you brought up.
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Post by donbot on Dec 21, 2012 21:11:29 GMT -5
Sounds like NEWZ to me. Ryback mentioning his name, and now all of a sudden, there's talk of him getting into the Hall of Fame. They shouldn't even try to induct him(with or without Martha's permission) because that would be uncomfortable anyway. They'll mention his accomplishments and great sense of humor, yet at some point, they would have to put themselves on the spot and bring up the tragedy. Its almost like saying "We're sorry we killed your husband, so lets honor him with a HOF induction." Not going to happen.
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Post by RedDevil on Dec 21, 2012 21:19:21 GMT -5
Just get Neidhart through Wellness good enough for him and Bret accept the induction of the Hart Foundation as a group, with Harry or Diana accepting for the Bulldog, Pillman's widow accepting for him and one of the Hart siblings accepting for Owen - that way he's in, but not the focus of induction. Job done.
Seriously, they are doing the right thing honouring her wishes, however much it goes against what most of us would want, she is the one who matters most in all this. I can't begin to imagine what the time since 1999 has been like for her and their children, not least that it was caused by something so utterly, utterly pointless.
That said, I have no problem with WWE continuing to reach out to her as long as they do so in a dignified manner.
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Post by The Heenan Family on Dec 21, 2012 21:20:48 GMT -5
Sounds like NEWZ to me. Ryback mentioning his name, and now all of a sudden, there's talk of him getting into the Hall of Fame. They shouldn't even try to induct him(with or without Martha's permission) because that would be uncomfortable anyway. They'll mention his accomplishments and great sense of humor, yet at some point, they would have to put themselves on the spot and bring up the tragedy. Its almost like saying "We're sorry we killed your husband, so lets honor him with a HOF induction." Not going to happen. It might be newz, but not because of Rybacks quoting. There were reports of WWE wanting to induct Owen before Mondays RAW. However those could have been newz reports based on what they did with the Ultimate Warrior. He had a case against WWE that fell apart and ended in November 2009 I believe. Afterwards WWE paid his court costs and extended a HoF invite. He turned them down, but since then they've been relatively on good terms. Without really knowing anything about what WWE has said to Martha, one could easily see them repeating the same tactic as her case slowly gets taken apart.
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Post by Sparvid on Dec 21, 2012 23:51:54 GMT -5
WWE would never induct him without Martha's approval, since doing so would be a PR nightmare, but I don't see how she could legally prevent them from doing so. Which law says that a Hall of Fame needs permission from the inductees? Last I checked, the Sex Pistols are in the Rock and Roll HOF.
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Post by YiHammer on Dec 22, 2012 1:16:31 GMT -5
I hate Martha for christs sake it's been over 10 years let it go
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