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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 0:19:23 GMT -5
EBWOP: So in short I just wanted to show why being allowed to quote your Role PMs is not the best of rules, no offense to SnS of course, just like I demonstrated anybody can do it and cause a riot in these games my point well taken.
In regards to who to lynch I don't know I'm in favor of just drawing names out of a hat and voting for whoever I draw out
but seriously it doesn't matter to me whoever the town feels is the best option to lynch I don't mind lynching anybody right now.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 23, 2013 0:19:30 GMT -5
Well if we aren't voting to lynch inactives I say we lynch Kami, before this turns into a roleclaim fest and our doctor and cop are outed to a mafia that still has good numbers.
I know some people think roleclaiming is a way to prove their innocence but the mafia can lie. Now if your a cop or doctor who's role is revealed in the write up you are forced to lie to hide your identity and if you get caught in that lie the mafia will know you are hiding something and the town will focus hard on our cop and let the mafia slide.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 0:21:13 GMT -5
EBWOP: Meant to add some names/ideas but I clicked post (not preview) Some have said random but I don't really know how we do that, so most likely we'll turn to activity/inactivity. The way I was thinking about with random was either drawing names out of a hat or putting the 11 names in Random.org and whoever is listed as number 1 gets the vote. But that might not be the best way to go about it but its the only way to lynch someone randomly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 0:23:45 GMT -5
I don't think we should lynch Brad for outing himself. If we did, what would we gain from his lynch as far as info goes on the scum? I get what ritt's saying but like Space Ghost, what you're saying is a double edged sword. You might mean well but it'll come back to bite you in the ass if you're not careful.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 0:28:23 GMT -5
Well if we aren't voting to lynch inactives I say we lynch Kami, before this turns into a roleclaim fest and our doctor and cop are outed to a mafia that still has good numbers. I know some people think roleclaiming is a way to prove their innocence but the mafia can lie. Now if your a cop or doctor who's role is revealed in the write up you are forced to lie to hide your identity and if you get caught in that lie the mafia will know you are hiding something and the town will focus hard on our cop and let the mafia slide. I'm not the way to go pal I was trying to prove a point which I did roleclaiming is not a good idea by allowing people to quote their Role PM Chaos can rain supreme which it has does anybody not see that? I even told everybody not to follow in my footsteps and to only quote your Role PM if necessary and of course Mafia can lie I already explained that earlier. I did no wrong by quoting my role PM, I wanted to prove a point and I proved it by all your reactions to me roleclaiming so thank you.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 23, 2013 0:41:04 GMT -5
Well I am not voting random. How the hell will that come close to helping town?
As for voting for you I see it going one of two ways. You are a brilliant scum who's trying to fish for roles from day one or you're someone who signed up for a game you don't like the pre-posted rules of. Option one helps the town and option two helps the game as a whole and probably you since SnS's rules aren't really to your style.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 0:47:43 GMT -5
Well I am not voting random. How the hell will that come close to helping town? As for voting for you I see it going one of two ways. You are a brilliant scum who's trying to fish for roles from day one or you're someone who signed up for a game you don't like the pre-posted rules of. Option one helps the town and option two helps the game as a whole and probably you since SnS's rules aren't really to your style. I'll take option 2 and of course no offense to SnS he wanted to try something new and I admire that but I just wanted to show the consequences of it that's all. Now that I got that out of the way I'm more than willing to play the game. and PLEASE don't anybody else post your Role PMs right away I already proved my point if you want to later on to try and talk your way out of getting lynched go for it you could be lying about your Role PMs though so I'm not sure I want to trust everybody who posts a Role PM and I'm not fishing for power roles because I'm begging everybody NOT to post their PMs would I be doing that if I was mafia?
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 23, 2013 1:22:56 GMT -5
I believe you in your quote. However I also think that's scummy play. It puts indirect pressure to other role claims. If you are a guaranteed vanilla townie, and I believe you are, because if not there is a chance you could be called on it by someone who did draw Boss Nass, you are who the town power roles hide behind at night. The mafia can hide behind everyone that's probably 3 mafia out of 11. The town power roles can only hide behind vanilla townies. That's probably 3 out of 8. So you guarantee your own day safety by role claiming that gives the town 3 out of 10 odds of hitting mafia and the mafia probably 3 out of 7 of hitting a power role.
This game has to be played not to win at day one but to win the long game. You maybe guarantee your safety with a roleclaim but you endanger the rest of the town and put indirect pressure to further roleclaim. Even if you say you disapprove of it, the only way someone else in this game can be as innocent as you is to roleclaim also. If one person takes the easy way then everyone has to to be competitive.
If you can't get the cat back in the bag, shoot the cat. Sorry, you tried to prove a point at the risk of the town. VOTE: KAMI
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 1:30:07 GMT -5
I'm going to hold back on voting on Brad because that's a wasted lynch. One we could use later this week to find a scum or someone with more info then Brad.
I don't think it's going to come down to a mass role claim, yet, but that's a bit of an over reaction for a day 1 role reveal. So, like I said to Brad.
I have my eye on you too ritt.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 1:41:09 GMT -5
Though I respect your opinion Ritt I have to disagree lynching me is a waste of time but if you want to paint a big target on your chest for a day 2 lynch then by all means vote me out it will be a big and total waste.
I have said this in dozens of mafia games before I want to see a Day 1 lynch even if I'm the one being lynched.
Will it help the town NNNN Yes any lynch will help the town why no body sees that I'll never no even the lynching of a vanilla townie will help the town out by looking at the ones who were so hardcore against the townie as suspects on the next day phase.
When I revealed my role PM I knew people would question it but I didn't think it would cause such a s***storm like this now you see why people shouldn't be allowed to quote their Role PMs in these games? If me causing this s***storm in this game prevents future mafia games from running this way then I did what I set out to do mission accomplished!
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 23, 2013 1:50:43 GMT -5
Good be suspicious of me. I welcome the cop investigating me and then I would have one town member guaranteeing my towniness. We should be suspicious of everyone and anyone who isn't suspicious is making the mafia's job easy.
I said in the last game I'd rather get rid of a detriment to the town, even if it's a power role on day one, then a mafia who is active and bound to slip up. That got all the eyes on me but it also allowed me to be taken off the mafia's radar early. I want townies who are pushing the envelope not hiding behind a day one roleclaim. That's either brilliant scum work to set the stage for future defenses or scummy townsmanship. Either way it will strengthen town going forward.
Do you want me to roleclaim too so that I can ease your suspicions? That's how this is going to degenerate if it's left to go.
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 23, 2013 1:52:06 GMT -5
So you tanked the game to prove a point?
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 2:13:09 GMT -5
So you tanked the game to prove a point? I didn't actually tank the game as you say. I don't get it seriously when you all joined you all seemed to LOVE the no claiming restrictions that lets you post your Role PMs and now when someone actually does it you cry foul! I just don't get it. I'm actually thinking about dropping out of this game and letting SnS find someone to replace me. I said I was thinking about it I'll most likely stay in the game but I got to ask why join this game in the first place when the main focal point was no claiming restrictions? You had to know a stupid smart ass was going to post his role PM during the first day phase and I'm that stupid smart ass.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 2:18:02 GMT -5
I'm actually thinking about dropping out of this game and letting SnS find someone to replace me. You had to know a stupid smart ass was going to post his role PM during the first day phase and I'm that stupid smart ass. First off, there's no replacements. Secondly, don't drop out for playing by the rules. I don't mind that you role claimed, I just don't want this to turn into a clusterf*** of role claiming and the obvious backlash. Which is already going on. If we lynch you, which I see no reason to do, then we'll be down one townie and we need all the townies we can get to kill off the scum. I'm not going to vote for you until some more solid evidence about you being scum, which I doubt, comes to surface.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 2:21:43 GMT -5
I'm not going to drop out after all I said I was thinking about it but since I already revealed my Role PM its best if I stay in the game don't want some unsuspecting fool to take my place and get crap poured on them because of me wouldn't be fair would it?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 2:25:12 GMT -5
Probably not, it'd be like your garfield mafia all over again where I dropped out and Lodi took the backlash of my stupidity as Jon Arbuckle.
But, that's neither here nor there. Anyway, I doubt ritt or Brad is mafia.
ritt's made too big of a target on himself by going back and forth with Brad to be mafia. Brad could have been mafia by revealing like that but I doubt it.
I'm thinking some of our less active players are sitting back and enjoying this back and forth because it keeps them out of the spotlight, which the mafia loves to do.
So, here's for a more productive day of our first day phase.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 2:37:37 GMT -5
Honestly I don't think Ritt is mafia either he's just an over protective townie he thinks lynching me is the right move because he says with me revealing my role thats one less townie the mafia has to worry about and one less person the town has to target for a lynch but they could kill me off just to get me out of the game and I wouldn't blame them one bit.
And I still question why anybody joined this game in the first place when the focal point of the game was being allowed to post your Role PMs.
Still we don't know how many mafia there are 3 is the best guess if not three then 2 but that would be a pretty small mafia in my opinion.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2013 2:40:48 GMT -5
I joined because I'm a hypocrite and I enjoyed Space Ghost.
Anyway, I'm guessing 3 mafia as well. 2 is too small for a game like this. Now, down to the business of figuring out what do like I did in Space Ghost. That'll come tomorrow after everyone's replied more so I can get a better read on people.
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Post by Big Bad Brad on Jan 23, 2013 2:44:18 GMT -5
I'm going to add a little bit to this
And I still question why anybody joined this game in the first place when the focal point of the game was being allowed to post your Role PMs when some people have such a problem with me doing the very thing that is not only allowed but welcomed in this game.
I'm out for the night I'm getting tired be back tomorrow.
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Post by No Longer a Produceman on Jan 23, 2013 2:58:29 GMT -5
Wow.
Firstly, I don't get why Brad is getting hassled for role claiming. I mean, I do understand the sentiment against inviting mass role claiming and outing power roles, but i believe he was only trying to prove a point (which the backlash has done).
Secondly, I understand ritt's sentiments and line of thinking. Outing vanilla townies makes it easier for scum to kill power roles. Brad's claim could, in theory, pressure some to role claim; however, with many speaking out against it (myself now included) I don't think that will be the case.
Thirdly, I think we need to drop the whole Brad/ritt/role claim discussion and renew our focus and finding scum. I would like to hear from those who haven't posted much this day phase add to how they think we should choose who to lynch. We do have quite a while to make our decision so let's PLEASE not rush this vote.
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