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Post by mizerable on Jan 31, 2013 21:27:30 GMT -5
Bret definitely rated the HIAC Taker match far too low, but I still think it's not very good in the slightest. Again, it goes back to "knowing what to expect" and even at times when you know you're going to expect a certain kind of match, it CAN still deliver your expectations and satisfy you. Triple H just doesn't do that. It never feels like a big match situation. It always feels like just another match. Stone Cold played it safe after his neck injury, but he still delivered in big match situations.
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Post by KofiMania on Jan 31, 2013 21:39:49 GMT -5
Bret definitely rated the HIAC Taker match far too low, but I still think it's not very good in the slightest. Again, it goes back to "knowing what to expect" and even at times when you know you're going to expect a certain kind of match, it CAN still deliver your expectations and satisfy you. Triple H just doesn't do that. It never feels like a big match situation. It always feels like just another match. Stone Cold played it safe after his neck injury, but he still delivered in big match situations. Both WrestleMania matches against Taker felt like "big" matches to me.
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Post by cool guy on Jan 31, 2013 21:41:24 GMT -5
Ironically, I thought his last match against The Undertaker was the only great match I've ever seen from Triple H.
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Post by mizerable on Jan 31, 2013 21:43:59 GMT -5
Both WrestleMania matches against Taker felt like "big" matches to me. The hype or the delivery? Because, Triple H is one of the best when it comes to building up a match in a way you believe it's going to be big (when he wants to). But as far as the matches go, I just didn't find anything significant about them. Triple H has for years now just given me the bare essentials when it comes to wrestling.
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Post by cool guy on Jan 31, 2013 21:47:03 GMT -5
Both WrestleMania matches against Taker felt like "big" matches to me. The hype or the delivery? Because, Triple H is one of the best when it comes to building up a match in a way you believe it's going to be big (when he wants to). But as far as the matches go, I just didn't find anything significant about them. Triple H has for years now just given me the bare essentials when it comes to wrestling. The hype to that first match was terrible. Everyone was shitting on it in the weeks leading up to WM, but then most people came to the conclusion that it was "pretty good" once it happened.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Jan 31, 2013 22:05:00 GMT -5
The hype or the delivery? Because, Triple H is one of the best when it comes to building up a match in a way you believe it's going to be big (when he wants to). But as far as the matches go, I just didn't find anything significant about them. Triple H has for years now just given me the bare essentials when it comes to wrestling. The hype to that first match was terrible. Everyone was s***ting on it in the weeks leading up to WM, but then most people came to the conclusion that it was "pretty good" once it happened. The go home show was good hype at least. This year I thought the hype was great, especially with this segment: www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSGvYy0221c
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Post by xCompackx on Jan 31, 2013 22:41:33 GMT -5
Trips' douchiness during the screwjob may be clouding Bret's judgement a bit, but the guy does have a bit of a point. Can't really blame him if it is either. Hunter once said that the Screwjob never would have happened to HBK or him because " [W]e're not that stupid." Between that and Hunter never having tried to make amends for Montreal at any point the way Shawn did (at least as far as I know), Bret's got no reason to talk him up. Why praise a guy like that? As far as HHH's ability is concerned, I'd say Bret has it about right. He's not a bad wrestler or talker, but it's a stretch to put him up there with Flair or Rocky or HBK. I really could see why Bret still hates HHH if it's from the Screwjob. Shawn and Vince at least expressed disappointment that it had to happen, HHH always seemed to think that they were justified in doing it. Also, I remember on the first Raw of 2010, DX had a segment after Bret hugged Shawn and HHH said something dickish (Can't remember what it was, does anyone else remember?) and sorta buried Bret.
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Post by Thunderbolt on Jan 31, 2013 22:43:56 GMT -5
Both WrestleMania matches against Taker felt like "big" matches to me. But as far as the matches go, I just didn't find anything significant about them. Triple H has for years now just given me the bare essentials when it comes to wrestling. Did you not see the insane amount of bruising Taker had all over his back after the spinebuster on the stairs? Just the ass kicking he took alone made the match hugely compelling. So to hell with HHH, Taker made that match significant. As for match structure, a once a year Taker match HAS to be of the "kick out of multiple finishers" mold. So you can't expect anything other than that in this situation. And they did well in both their matches at successive WMs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2013 22:48:09 GMT -5
Can't really blame him if it is either. Hunter once said that the Screwjob never would have happened to HBK or him because " [W]e're not that stupid." Between that and Hunter never having tried to make amends for Montreal at any point the way Shawn did (at least as far as I know), Bret's got no reason to talk him up. Why praise a guy like that? As far as HHH's ability is concerned, I'd say Bret has it about right. He's not a bad wrestler or talker, but it's a stretch to put him up there with Flair or Rocky or HBK. I really could see why Bret still hates HHH if it's from the Screwjob. Shawn and Vince at least expressed disappointment that it had to happen, HHH always seemed to think that they were justified in doing it. Also, I remember on the first Raw of 2010, DX had a segment after Bret hugged Shawn and HHH said something dickish (Can't remember what it was, does anyone else remember?) and sorta buried Bret. He didn't really say anything mean about Bret. Just said "While you were making up with Bret I was doing focusing on our tag title match later tonight" or something like that.
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Post by BiloxiParish on Jan 31, 2013 22:50:06 GMT -5
Ironically, I thought his last match against The Undertaker was the only great match I've ever seen from Triple H. You forget his epic bouts with Cactus Jack
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Post by SAJ Forth on Jan 31, 2013 23:04:30 GMT -5
It's very weird. I think he was excessive in dismissing much of his work, he does have a few valid points.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 31, 2013 23:15:51 GMT -5
I really could see why Bret still hates HHH if it's from the Screwjob. Shawn and Vince at least expressed disappointment that it had to happen, HHH always seemed to think that they were justified in doing it. t. The funniest part is that HHH's whole motivation for really even suggesting it was that Bret had refused to do a pinfall job to him in that match where HBK put the Canadian flag up his nose.
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Post by celticjobber on Feb 1, 2013 0:14:07 GMT -5
So aside from a little promotion for his next DVD set, I guess we can forget about Bret doing anymore cameos or other work for WWE in the near future?
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Post by Mr. Socko's Brother on Feb 1, 2013 0:31:33 GMT -5
As far as the millions of title reigns that Bret thinks HHH has had, he's had 8 (I don't count the Briefcase Championship) compared to Bret's 5 Not that much of a difference. I missed this earlier and it deserves a response. You aren't just leaving out the title reign that began when Bischoff handed him the WHC from a briefcase, you're leaving out the WHC entirely. Between the two world titles, HHH has been a world champion 13 times. Even if you say that one of those reigns didn't count, it's 12. Big difference, particularly since it brings him within just a few reigns of Flair's record of 16.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 0:56:15 GMT -5
He didn't bury him. He said he was very good, but not great and not an innovator. All accurate.
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Post by HollywoodArmbar on Feb 1, 2013 1:31:38 GMT -5
I think Triple H has had a bunch of good matches, but HHH/Taker II might be the match I find most overrated of all time. The Cell match was a lot better but the one at WM27? No thanks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 8:13:42 GMT -5
Jack of all trades, master of none. Definition of average. That has always been my view of HHH, so I can agree with Bret here.
When you ask a wrestling fan about the Ultimate Warrior, most would probably be able to look back 23 years and mention WM 6. In 23 years, will fans remember a single HHH match as being memorable? A memorable promo? A memorable...anything?
People will, over time, start to believe the hype with HHH, just like they have with Shawn, but that doesn't mean it is accurate. There is a difference between being a star and being pushed. Anyone can be the latter. It is very rare to become the former. HHH is the latter.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on Feb 1, 2013 8:14:00 GMT -5
So aside from a little promotion for his next DVD set, I guess we can forget about Bret doing anymore cameos or other work for WWE in the near future? Did Vince suddenly drop dead or something? Last time, I checked, it was Vince's company and show, not Mr. Levesque's.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 8:40:41 GMT -5
Jack of all trades, master of none. Definition of average. That has always been my view of HHH, so I can agree with Bret here. When you ask a wrestling fan about the Ultimate Warrior, most would probably be able to look back 23 years and mention WM 6. In 23 years, will fans remember a single HHH match as being memorable? A memorable promo? A memorable...anything? People will, over time, start to believe the hype with HHH, just like they have with Shawn, but that doesn't mean it is accurate. There is a difference between being a star and being pushed. Anyone can be the latter. It is very rare to become the former. HHH is the latter. Oh wow. This is a great parody of those blind haters ;D
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2013 9:04:31 GMT -5
Jack of all trades, master of none. Definition of average. That has always been my view of HHH, so I can agree with Bret here. When you ask a wrestling fan about the Ultimate Warrior, most would probably be able to look back 23 years and mention WM 6. In 23 years, will fans remember a single HHH match as being memorable? A memorable promo? A memorable...anything? People will, over time, start to believe the hype with HHH, just like they have with Shawn, but that doesn't mean it is accurate. There is a difference between being a star and being pushed. Anyone can be the latter. It is very rare to become the former. HHH is the latter. Oh wow. This is a great parody of those blind haters ;D Not a parody, it is reality. He is decent at everything, but not great at anything. Always has been, and his career reflects that. If anyone wants to name all the great matches, promos, segments, etc he has had, then feel free to list them. It will hard to list things that don't exist, but have at it. I am not a Shawn Michaels fan, but I can at least acknowledge he did some good things. HHH is not even on that 2nd tier level (the 1st level being Hogan, Rock, and Austin).
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