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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Feb 13, 2013 23:15:11 GMT -5
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Feb 13, 2013 23:18:09 GMT -5
I do admit I tend to feel somewhat guilty if I notice a hot girl's rack and then I see a cross necklace or something like that hanging down on them. It's like, "Ooh boobs, oops...hey Jesus how you doin? Me? Oh nothing, I'm just checking to see if this young lady is breathing properly. *sigh* I know, I'm sorry."
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Post by xCompackx on Feb 13, 2013 23:19:09 GMT -5
How about treating women with the same respect regardless what they're wearing? Telling a woman to dress a certain way so she won't be objectified by some disrespectful gaze is essentially saying "make sure he stares at the other woman." No matter what a woman wears, there's some guy out there that will ogle her. Blaming the woman for that in any situation, regardless what she's wearing, is silly. Instead of telling a female how she is [i[supposed [/i] to feel, or suggesting all of her choices in life revolve around finding the right guy, how about asking the offending drone in question to learn how to admire a fellow human with a level of discretion that won't be perceived as blatantly disrespectful.[/quote] Just looking at a woman's chest doesn't make a guy disrespectful though. Women can wear whatever they please if they feel comfortable with the attention that it will bring. Like others have said, as long as you're not just staring with your mouth open to where it's obnoxious, I don't really think it's a disrespectful thing to do.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on Feb 13, 2013 23:20:53 GMT -5
That is why I like wearing sunglasses I can look all I want, but its the same when they wear pants with writing on their butts I like to read so of course I am going to look.
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Post by agent817 on Feb 13, 2013 23:38:24 GMT -5
Well, when a girl goes to the beach or pool or water park and is wearing a bikini, she is bound to be looked at. There is no escaping that if a girl goes to a place where it's common to be in a state of undress. Trust me, I remember one of the primary reasons of me going on a trip to Waterworld when I was in eighth grade was to see female classmates semi-naked or even to another water park at the end of my senior year. Call me a pervert if you must, but there was hardly a chance for me to see some female classmates wearing very little and not being called a pervert in the process.
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Post by DZ: WF Legacy on Feb 13, 2013 23:39:02 GMT -5
Noticing and being a creep are two different things. A woman should know that if she's going to wear tights as pants, like the trend is right now, or a really low-cut shirt, that she's basically advertising her curves. As such, that's going to attract people's eyes, and there's nothing wrong with that at all - it's our nature. What's not our nature is people making rude comments or being a creep. If she's not comfortable with the possibility of attracting a guy because of her choice of dress, change the way you dress. Don't tolerate disrespectful guys who oogle you, but don't demand that men not be men and notice a pretty girl in tight/revealing clothing. Those two things are not mutually exclusive.
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Post by Reflecto on Feb 13, 2013 23:44:46 GMT -5
[/i] to feel, or suggesting all of her choices in life revolve around finding the right guy, how about asking the offending drone in question to learn how to admire a fellow human with a level of discretion that won't be perceived as blatantly disrespectful.[/quote]
The problem, though, is in the details. From the OP:
Men should treat women with respect, of course. However, it's also a two-way street. When the issue is "women should not be forced to dress a certain way due to objectification", it's fine- but if the woman's mad because they only want people in their "league" to look at them, then the woman's showing disrespect in turn.
Women should wear what they want. You want to dress revealing, dress conservatively, it's all up to the woman to decide how they look. Having said that, though, if you plan to dress to impress, it IS reasonable to expect you to understand that you won't be able to pick and choose just WHO gets impressed by it.
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Post by Sephiroth on Feb 13, 2013 23:53:32 GMT -5
I'm reminded of a conversation I once had with a friend where he ranted about how we are not actually a free society where people can act of their own will because we can't go outside naked. To this I replied "Actually you could, of your own will, do that-you just really wouldn't be happy with the result."
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Post by "Gentleman" AJ Powell on Feb 14, 2013 3:14:54 GMT -5
I always think that if they didn't want people to look, they wouldn't wear clothing that shows 'em. But yeah, I'll usually do a sweep and glance at the goods if they're worth the effort. I'm more of an ass man, and it's less of a risk to just look once they've gone past!
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Post by Cela on Feb 14, 2013 3:18:48 GMT -5
If I was wearing pants that revealed half of my groin, it may draw looks.
A peek or noticing is fine and people should not get upset over it, especially if it is designed in such a way to draw all attention to the area.
But mainting eye contact with the area for 10 seconds or so... yeah, that's creepy.
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Post by Johnny Flamingo on Feb 14, 2013 3:19:16 GMT -5
My thoughts, if you don't want people staring at you, don't dress like a slut.
You choose to present yourself in whatever way you see fit, don't complain if you purposely dress a certain way that you know will get you stared at and then complain when it happens.
Personally I prefer girls who don't where things that are too revealing. Shows me that they don't have to show off to look good and that they are more than just TnA.
and I totally agree with everything Dave Chapelle said.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Feb 14, 2013 3:27:58 GMT -5
I would think noticing/looking isn't a bad thing in and of itself. Oogling/leering or generally acting like a perv is. Women should wear what they want. You want to dress revealing, dress conservatively, it's all up to the woman to decide how they look. Having said that, though, if you plan to dress to impress, it IS reasonable to expect you to understand that you won't be able to pick and choose just WHO gets impressed by it. I think I'd have to agree with this as well.
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Post by stinger on Feb 14, 2013 3:38:48 GMT -5
This thread is useless without pics.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2013 3:47:35 GMT -5
How about treating women with the same respect regardless what they're wearing? Telling a woman to dress a certain way so she won't be objectified by some disrespectful gaze is essentially saying "make sure he stares at the other woman." No matter what a woman wears, there's some guy out there that will ogle her. Blaming the woman for that in any situation, regardless what she's wearing, is silly. Instead of telling a female how she is [i[supposed [/i] to feel, or suggesting all of her choices in life revolve around finding the right guy, how about asking the offending drone in question to learn how to admire a fellow human with a level of discretion that won't be perceived as blatantly disrespectful.[/quote] Winner of the thread.
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Post by King Ghidorah on Feb 14, 2013 4:32:22 GMT -5
My thoughts, if you don't want people staring at you, don't dress like a slut. You choose to present yourself in whatever way you see fit, don't complain if you purposely dress a certain way that you know will get you stared at and then complain when it happens. Personally I prefer girls who don't where things that are too revealing. Shows me that they don't have to show off to look good and that they are more than just TnA. and I totally agree with everything Dave Chapelle said. You can almost taste the bitterness, looking is fine as long as you're attractive, cause that's the whole point.
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Post by Jelly on Feb 14, 2013 4:48:58 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me at all when guys check out my chest. It's kind of unavoidable, most styles of top/dress that I like to wear show off cleavage, so I just accept it. None of this 'who's in my league' business, every one can have a look if they want
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Post by Glitch on Feb 14, 2013 5:05:51 GMT -5
Doesn't bother me at all when guys check out my chest. It's kind of unavoidable, most styles of top/dress that I like to wear show off cleavage, so I just accept it. None of this 'who's in my league' business, every one can have a look if they want On behalf of all men, we salute you.
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Post by Danimal on Feb 14, 2013 5:24:52 GMT -5
How about treating women with the same respect regardless what they're wearing? Telling a woman to dress a certain way so she won't be objectified by some disrespectful gaze is essentially saying "make sure he stares at the other woman." No matter what a woman wears, there's some guy out there that will ogle her. Blaming the woman for that in any situation, regardless what she's wearing, is silly. Instead of telling a female how she is [i[supposed [/i] to feel, or suggesting all of her choices in life revolve around finding the right guy, how about asking the offending drone in question to learn how to admire a fellow human with a level of discretion that won't be perceived as blatantly disrespectful.[/quote] Winner of the thread. [/quote] Didn't work for me. I can understand the viewpoint but I found the arguments emotional rather than logic-based. Felt too much like I was reading propaganda and what analysis was there was based too much on questionable interpretations of interactions. I could go into more detail but it's 4am and just don't feel like it.
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Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on Feb 14, 2013 9:40:10 GMT -5
We all have the freedom to dress how we want, same as act like we want and say what we want.
However so does the rest of the world.
If you do something, say something, wear something, you have to be prepared for other people's reactions. Especially ones you know will happen because they've been happening since the dawn of time.
I have a lesser version of this, I'm a flamboyant dresser, I like how I look and no one can make me dress otherwise, I just have to be prepared to be stared at, mocked by some, complimented by others, all of that.
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Post by Push R Truth on Feb 14, 2013 9:47:56 GMT -5
I'm not going to stare, but if you are giving me 80% tit for free, I'm going to catch a glance and like it.
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