Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Apr 3, 2013 17:00:05 GMT -5
Wow the pressers for each city were night and day! Sacramento looked insanely confident and loose! It's starting to feel like the #HereWeStay movement paid off!
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Post by fuzzywarble, squat cobbler on Apr 3, 2013 17:09:43 GMT -5
Awesome! When the NBA eventually feels the need to relocate the Spurs, I can only hope that the San Antonio faithful puts as much effort into keeping their team like the Kings brass has.
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Apr 3, 2013 17:26:58 GMT -5
Stern said this matter may not be resolved by the BOG meeting on April 18th. The longer it takes the more it has to favor Sacramento.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 3, 2013 17:37:49 GMT -5
I truly wonder if all this talk about relocating/not relocating Sacramento would be happening if they won a championship.
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Post by Cyno on Apr 3, 2013 17:37:52 GMT -5
Why is it that Miami, population 400,00, gets lumped into "big markets" while Dallas, population 1.2 million, gets to go in with the small market teams? Success is not the same thing as being in a big market. Nashville, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, and Atlanta are all larger markets than Miami is. Because it's not just Miami that's figured into the market, but the entire metro area which includes Sunrise, Pompano, Fort Lauderdale, West Palm Beach, etc. Miami's metropolitan area is the 8th largest in the US in terms of population. Of course, Dallas' is still larger and Atlanta's right behind it at #9, but the Miami metro area is way bigger than any of those other cities you listed.
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Sektor
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Post by Sektor on Apr 3, 2013 17:38:45 GMT -5
Why is it that Miami, population 400,00, gets lumped into "big markets" while Dallas, population 1.2 million, gets to go in with the small market teams? Success is not the same thing as being in a big market. Nashville, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, and Atlanta are all larger markets than Miami is. Dallas, small market? This is the first I"ve heard of this! It's, like, the fifth largest market in the US *tears up census numbers* Nope! No idea what your talking about! Dallas is the small-market team that could and Miami is the evil empire. That's just how it is.
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Post by triplethreatmark on Apr 3, 2013 17:39:03 GMT -5
I truly wonder if all this talk about relocating/not relocating Sacramento would be happening if they won a championship. Probably. The New Jersey Devils were *this* close to moving to Nashville in 1996 I think and they had won the Stanley Cup the year before.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 3, 2013 17:43:49 GMT -5
I view it differently. I definitely believe 2000 and 2002 were definitely rigged for the Lakers. My stance on it has changed somewhat in years, but with the way the league, officials, and media exports favor the big market teams you can't help but question certain things. When push comes to shove it's really about the flavor of the season. Every so often you have the underdog team that overcomes bad officiating, circle jerk media of the big superteam, and dirty tactics of the opposing team. For every Miami Heat or Los Angeles Lakers a team like the Spurs, Pistons, or Mavericks play lights out and take them down. As far as fixed is concerned? I think the only years the NBA playoffs/championships were rigged was in 2000, 2002, 2006, and 2012 honestly. So what you're saying is that most times a big market team is in contention of winning, the NBA rigs it to be that way? In that case, the NBA's been rigged since the start. I am not sure if it was that way from the start. I remember growing up the competition in the league was extremely tough. It wasn't weird at all to see teams like the Hawks, Bucks, Clippers, or the Nuggets(similar to how it is now I suppose) making the playoffs, being extremely tough competition, and officiating back then didn't seem as lopsided as it is now. Of course, I could very well be wrong. But I do believe that your big market teams such as a Lakers or a Heat is favored more heavily by the league, officials, and the media than say Dallas for example. Dallas is a small market compared to Miami in terms of the media coverage. When they won their championship they barely acknowledged it. Miami won their championship and sportscasters, players, and the world is talking about it still. So maybe, maybe it's not so much rigged perhaps it's just media coverage makes it seem that way and the officiating makes it look that way.
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Post by Sektor on Apr 3, 2013 17:47:10 GMT -5
So what you're saying is that most times a big market team is in contention of winning, the NBA rigs it to be that way? In that case, the NBA's been rigged since the start. I am not sure if it was that way from the start. I remember growing up the competition in the league was extremely tough. It wasn't weird at all to see teams like the Hawks, Bucks, Clippers, or the Nuggets(similar to how it is now I suppose) making the playoffs, being extremely tough competition, and officiating back then didn't seem as lopsided as it is now. Of course, I could very well be wrong. But I do believe that your big market teams such as a Lakers or a Heat is favored more heavily by the league, officials, and the media than say Dallas for example. Dallas is a small market compared to Miami in terms of the media coverage. When they won their championship they barely acknowledged it. Miami won their championship and sportscasters, players, and the world is talking about it still. So maybe, maybe it's not so much rigged perhaps it's just media coverage makes it seem that way and the officiating makes it look that way. That's because Miami is still the best team in the league. If they had blown up their championship roster and ended up being below-average like the Mavericks no one would be talking about them.
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riseofsetian1981
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Apr 3, 2013 17:52:02 GMT -5
I am not sure if it was that way from the start. I remember growing up the competition in the league was extremely tough. It wasn't weird at all to see teams like the Hawks, Bucks, Clippers, or the Nuggets(similar to how it is now I suppose) making the playoffs, being extremely tough competition, and officiating back then didn't seem as lopsided as it is now. Of course, I could very well be wrong. But I do believe that your big market teams such as a Lakers or a Heat is favored more heavily by the league, officials, and the media than say Dallas for example. Dallas is a small market compared to Miami in terms of the media coverage. When they won their championship they barely acknowledged it. Miami won their championship and sportscasters, players, and the world is talking about it still. So maybe, maybe it's not so much rigged perhaps it's just media coverage makes it seem that way and the officiating makes it look that way. That's because Miami is still the best team in the league. If they had blown up their championship roster and ended up being below-average like the Mavericks no one would be talking about them. I am talking about even when Dallas won the championship. The media barely acknowledged it, they still talked about Miami, and they still focused on Lebron much like they do now. Granted, Cuban completely dismantled that championship team. Then again glitz, glamour, and excitement has always been center of the attention.
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Toxik916
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Post by Toxik916 on Apr 3, 2013 17:54:22 GMT -5
Then what issue could there be to deny Sacramento from keeping the Kings? I view this as a championship fight, Sacramento has the title(Kings) so Seattle needs to knock us out to win it. This appears to be headed to the score cards so I'd hope we get the champions advantage.
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Post by Red Impact on Apr 3, 2013 17:58:34 GMT -5
They're really not talking about it still. They mention it when it's relevant, just like Dallas's title is mentioned when relevant, but no one is harping on the fact that Miami won last year, only that they're the odds on favorites to win it this year. And the major difference between now and the 90's or 80's as far as coverage goes is ESPN, internet media, and the 24 hour news cycle.
If you think the league is lopsided now, look at the 60's and the 80's. Hell, look at the 90's. Only 4 teams won a title in the 90's. And it's worse now? Officiating was no different in the Jordan Era. He got away with everything, just because he was Michael freakin' Jordan and no one would touch him and no one dared to write bad about him.
The same number of teams made the playoffs in 1992 as they did in 2012. In the 2000's, 8 teams from the East and 3 from the West played for titles. In the 90's, 7 teams from the West and 4 from the East played for the title. It's not that different.
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Post by Rican on Apr 3, 2013 18:19:34 GMT -5
Why is it that Miami, population 400,00, gets lumped into "big markets" while Dallas, population 1.2 million, gets to go in with the small market teams? Success is not the same thing as being in a big market. Nashville, Oklahoma City, Sacramento, and Atlanta are all larger markets than Miami is. This is why when Dallas beat Miami in the finals a few years ago the narratives from Dallas fans I knew about a small market overcoming large market and "money doesn't buy championships!" drove me f***ing crazy.
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