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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on May 7, 2013 7:17:22 GMT -5
- People need to stop bitching about Brock leaving the WWE in 2004. He made it quite clear that he was never going to be in it for the long run and simply followed the sage advice that was given to him by Curt Hennig, Which was get in, make money and then get out.... which is what he did.
- Also the phase respect the business these days get thrown around way too often by wrestlers trying to justify stupid shit that any sane person would find idiotic. It really is deeply f***ed up when you get grown men using it when trying to justify a 40 year old man assaulting a 16 year old kid in a match because said 16 year old kid said something in promo that pissed him off.
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Post by dicecasden on May 7, 2013 8:45:58 GMT -5
1. Paul Heyman and Jim Cornette are not the sages people claim they are 2. WCW in 2000 is the embodiment of what wrestling would be if the Internet Wrestling Community had their way 3. New York, Philadelphia and Chicago have the worst wrestling fan bases on the planet 4. People who long for the days of the 'Attitude Era' yet who complain about what Vince Russo booked have to be some of the biggest frauds among wrestling fans. 5. Pro Wrestling is not a sport and should not be considered as such
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on May 7, 2013 8:54:25 GMT -5
Wrestling fans who pretend to be "above the IWC" and play the talking points of the business are far worse and harmful than any post that dares to critique a match or a John Cena storyline.
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Post by dlg3000 on May 7, 2013 8:57:30 GMT -5
The What chant doesn't annoy me. I think it is hilarious.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on May 7, 2013 12:03:24 GMT -5
I think WCW booking (not the exact angles or gimmicks but more the way they are portrayed) is sorely missed in Wrestling and I love it every time TNA feels like WCW. I don't see how it's a bad thing to be like a company who was THE wrestling promotion for so many years especially when they're taking that style and attitude and making it their own.
Brock Lesnar should have taken the WWE Championship from the Rock and continued the tradition of rarely seen champions. The belt has, in recent years, never felt so prestigious as it did when the Rock held it. The only problem with his run was the terrible matches which Brock rarely has. John Cena just feels like a step backwards now.
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Post by bob on May 7, 2013 12:46:37 GMT -5
during the short TNA Monday night shows their product was vastly superior to that of the WWE
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Post by And_5400 on May 8, 2013 5:33:40 GMT -5
I don't like Jim Ross as a person. He may be one of the best commentators in the buisness but everytime I see him talking in a doco or doing a roundtable he just comes across to me as a kiss ass and an old man stuck in the old ways. I find some of the things he says disrespectful to the wrestlers, for example on the Monday Night Wars dvd he says only Goldberg got a break in WCW during its heyday without mentioning DDP (maybe he dosen't like DDP)and defending The Rock being in the main event at Wrestlemania (and keep in mind I like The Rock) even though it clearly took an opportunity away from other guys. To me this just came off as him saying the right things to please his bosses. He also come across smug when talks up the bad things WCW did when he wasn't there at the time. I also feel he has no backbone like on the Heatseekers roundtable he said he was more offended by Ed Ferrara ripping him off than Vince McMahon and even somewhat defended the segment(he ripped off his damn bowel cancer for gods sake) and other times when it feels he's just kissing up even after all the stuff the WWE has put him through. I also thought that during the Celebrity roundtable when DDP was trying to tell his story about David Arquette being World champ and he kept cutting it off saying how bad it was was very disrepectful to Page and then when DDP shut him up he sat there looking all surly. Maybe that's just the way they edit it but he never comes across as truly likeable or maybe he's just going along with it for the money and one day maybe he'll come clean about the things he dislikes. But even if he did do that he'd come across as being like Jim Cornette. He might be a great commentator but I just don't like the guy.
Also Michael Cole isan't as bad a commentator as many say he is. He may not be great but with the right partner he can be fine to listen to. Tazz and JBL work well with him but Lawler, Booker, Coach or Foley never really had good enough chemsitry with him and he worked well with Josh Matthews when he played the heel. Not defending some the crap he's done over the years, he just needs a good partner to work off of.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on May 8, 2013 7:49:48 GMT -5
I don't like Jim Ross as a person. He may be one of the best commentators in the buisness but everytime I see him talking in a doco or doing a roundtable he just comes across to me as a kiss ass and an old man stuck in the old ways. I find some of the things he says disrespectful to the wrestlers, for example on the Monday Night Wars dvd he says only Goldberg got a break in WCW during its heyday without mentioning DDP (maybe he dosen't like DDP)and defending The Rock being in the main event at Wrestlemania (and keep in mind I like The Rock) even though it clearly took an opportunity away from other guys. To me this just came off as him saying the right things to please his bosses. He also come across smug when talks up the bad things WCW did when he wasn't there at the time. I also feel he has no backbone like on the Heatseekers roundtable he said he was more offended by Ed Ferrara ripping him off than Vince McMahon and even somewhat defended the segment(he ripped off his damn bowel cancer for gods sake) and other times when it feels he's just kissing up even after all the stuff the WWE has put him through. I also thought that during the Celebrity roundtable when DDP was trying to tell his story about David Arquette being World champ and he kept cutting it off saying how bad it was was very disrepectful to Page and then when DDP shut him up he sat there looking all surly. Maybe that's just the way they edit it but he never comes across as truly likeable or maybe he's just going along with it for the money and one day maybe he'll come clean about the things he dislikes. But even if he did do that he'd come across as being like Jim Cornette. He might be a great commentator but I just don't like the guy. JR's biggest achievement in wrestling is convincing people that he's a delightful grandfatherly figure who's been mistreated by a cruel boss, but remains above the politics and other nonsense that plagues wrestling when he's just like everybody else in wrestling. I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested some of the humiliations he's endured because it only enhances his public image.
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Post by azrael502 on May 8, 2013 11:37:54 GMT -5
I can't boo him after last night. The way he politely placed himself on that table for Jeff was so nice. Aces and Eights is adorable anyway. With the matching coats, calling themselves a club and that time when they brought a gavel to the fake court. They're the cutest rebels ever. Personally, I can't stop seeing them as team Rocket, I keep waiting for Tazz to say 'Meowth, that's right!' while they're cutting a promo. lol bastard i spit tea on my monitor
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 8, 2013 12:58:38 GMT -5
I know it's cool to bag on Jim Cornette and, now, Jim Ross for being "stuck in the past", but I still think old-school style wrestling can still attract and excite an audience today - Cena vs. Punk proves it.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on May 9, 2013 6:37:56 GMT -5
I know it's cool to bag on Jim Cornette and, now, Jim Ross for being "stuck in the past", but I still think old-school style wrestling can still attract and excite an audience today - Cena vs. Punk proves it. Except I find that Cena/Punk is completely boring and drawn out and a lot of the things involved in that feud, Pipebombs, Shoots and Walk Outs for example are much newer booking techniques so really it wasn't all that old-school style to begin with. Wrestling in the modern day is missing something, it might be something from the old, it might be something completely new but it's not complete in the here and now. Here's another possibly unpopular opinion I have that relates, Wrestling (mostly in the WWE) right now feels transitional with nothing really feeling like it matters at all in the long term. Even the Rock's reign which I felt added prestige to the title did not feel like it had any long term meaning at all.
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Post by RowdyRobbyPiper on May 9, 2013 9:53:58 GMT -5
I am talking about the actual matches, not the promos. And I thought they were terrific.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on May 9, 2013 10:01:28 GMT -5
I am talking about the actual matches, not the promos. And I thought they were terrific. I'll give you that, the matches were good.
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Post by mrjl on May 9, 2013 16:36:24 GMT -5
I don't like Jim Ross as a person. He may be one of the best commentators in the buisness but everytime I see him talking in a doco or doing a roundtable he just comes across to me as a kiss ass and an old man stuck in the old ways. I find some of the things he says disrespectful to the wrestlers, for example on the Monday Night Wars dvd he says only Goldberg got a break in WCW during its heyday without mentioning DDP (maybe he dosen't like DDP)and defending The Rock being in the main event at Wrestlemania (and keep in mind I like The Rock) even though it clearly took an opportunity away from other guys. To me this just came off as him saying the right things to please his bosses. He also come across smug when talks up the bad things WCW did when he wasn't there at the time. I also feel he has no backbone like on the Heatseekers roundtable he said he was more offended by Ed Ferrara ripping him off than Vince McMahon and even somewhat defended the segment(he ripped off his damn bowel cancer for gods sake) and other times when it feels he's just kissing up even after all the stuff the WWE has put him through. I also thought that during the Celebrity roundtable when DDP was trying to tell his story about David Arquette being World champ and he kept cutting it off saying how bad it was was very disrepectful to Page and then when DDP shut him up he sat there looking all surly. Maybe that's just the way they edit it but he never comes across as truly likeable or maybe he's just going along with it for the money and one day maybe he'll come clean about the things he dislikes. But even if he did do that he'd come across as being like Jim Cornette. He might be a great commentator but I just don't like the guy. JR's biggest achievement in wrestling is convincing people that he's a delightful grandfatherly figure who's been mistreated by a cruel boss, but remains above the politics and other nonsense that plagues wrestling when he's just like everybody else in wrestling. I wouldn't be surprised if he suggested some of the humiliations he's endured because it only enhances his public image. people think JR is mistreated by his boss? I mean I know they think JR should be a regular announcer but I don't quite think of that as mistreatment.
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Post by mybraveface on May 9, 2013 19:17:23 GMT -5
- William Regal strikes me as a rather slow, sloppy and extremely overrated wrestler, and I honestly don't see his appeal other than as Daniel Bryan's "sidekick" on the JBL & Cole Show.
- As of right now, the WWE dosen't want the "Universe" to know that, as good as CM Punk can be on the mic, he isn't as good as Dean Ambrose can be.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 9, 2013 19:38:00 GMT -5
I know it's cool to bag on Jim Cornette and, now, Jim Ross for being "stuck in the past", but I still think old-school style wrestling can still attract and excite an audience today - Cena vs. Punk proves it. Wait, what on earth was remotely "old school" about the Cena vs. Punk matches? They've all been built aound the same "Hey, let's kick out of each other's finishers a lot" formula as just about every other "big match" in wrestling in recent years.
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Post by celticjobber on May 10, 2013 1:11:40 GMT -5
Aside from their initial beat-down of Cena and the destruction of the RAW set, the Nexus angle sucked. I hate it when people compare the far superior Shield to them.
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Post by SOR on May 10, 2013 2:45:24 GMT -5
I feel in North America that TNA has the best product in terms of "Sports Entertainment" I honestly think in the next 10 years they'll probably be equal with WWE ratings wise.
Paul Heyman is the most overrated promoter/booker ever. Most of the ideas people credit him with were thought of by someone else. Everyone praises him for the awesome Raven/Dreamer and Raven/Sandman feud but Raven says he, Sandman and Dreamer came up with 90% of the ideas. I'm sure it's the same for most of "Heymans Ideas"
I feel that Japanese Wrestling Fans are the best in the world. So respectful and so loyal that they will follow a wrestler or promotion from show to show. No smarky chants trying to get themselves over, no whining and complaining.
Wrestling should be more open to blackballing people for good. Jay Briscoe should be blackballed from wrestling for his comments, Rob Feinstein should of been blackballed back in the day. Ditto for many many others.
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Post by Sam Punk on May 10, 2013 11:39:48 GMT -5
Wrestling should be more open to blackballing people for good. Jay Briscoe should be blackballed from wrestling for his comments, Rob Feinstein should of been blackballed back in the day. Ditto for many many others. Briscoe in the same sentence as Feinstein? I don't recall Briscoe breaking any laws.
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Post by SOR on May 10, 2013 14:38:20 GMT -5
Wrestling should be more open to blackballing people for good. Jay Briscoe should be blackballed from wrestling for his comments, Rob Feinstein should of been blackballed back in the day. Ditto for many many others. Briscoe in the same sentence as Feinstein? I don't recall Briscoe breaking any laws. I'm not saying Briscoe did worse than Feinstein at all those are just 2 examples of guys should be blackballed by the top indies but were accepted back because they can make someone a buck.
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