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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Mar 9, 2013 2:40:33 GMT -5
I hated HHH vs Taker last year. Despite not being a great wrestle, Ryback is one of my favorite parts of the WWE. After the Cena feud, Big Show's heel turn has been great and he should have held the title longer. After Hell in a Cell, Punk should have continued to dodge Ryback and Ryback should've got his win back at Mania this year. Title optional.
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Post by thetower52 on Mar 9, 2013 3:07:42 GMT -5
The IWC opinions dont matter and wwe is smart to ignore the IWC
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Mar 9, 2013 3:18:25 GMT -5
- HHH vs Undertaker at WM 28 bored the tits off me. - Bobby Heenan was horrifically unfunny and not to mention overrated as a announcer. - ECW has aged terribly and to has done more harm to the business than good. - Ryback isn't too bad but his gimmick has a short lifespan.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 9, 2013 3:44:30 GMT -5
Even with the brand split, there should've only been one world title in the WWE. The WWE Champion should've always been the "champion of the WWE" not just the champion of one show.
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Post by Straight Edge Scrotum on Mar 9, 2013 5:26:01 GMT -5
1] CM Punk is a good wrestler but is still overrated. Most of his best promos all seem to be faux shoots that gets the fans cheering because "he's saying what we all think" and blurs the lines a bit too much for me to take him seriously. To me, he's a better-positioned version of Ryder.
2] Dolph Ziggler is about as high up the ladder as he needs to be. His promos are "meh" and while he's a decent wrestler, he's basically just a bump machine. That's what holds him back, because his best role is to make others look good. Pair him with anybody in the business and I think the result is the same, Ziggler stays just on the cusp and makes others look good while they pass him by.
3] Daniel Bryan is a glorified comedy wrestler, in his current form. He's two notches above Santino and honestly, I just don't care. I agree with the idea that a lot of people need to hop off his nuts over every little thing he does but I still would prefer a more serious DB than what we've got now. He's not the second coming, he's just good. And that's enough.
4] Ryder is nothing special. He's "meh" in the ring and fails to hold my attention whatsoever when he's out there. I'd be just as happy with him off my Tv forever. I don't care about his youtube show or how many people follow him on twitter or anything remotely similar to that. The man has a crap moveset, little to no impact in the ring, zero intensity, is a comedy act at BEST, and has shown himself to be a little whiner to boot. Beat him or bury him, I don't really care anymore. Just get rid of him somehow or force him to accept that he's there to sell merch. PERIOD.
5] I like the concept of the Shield but I don't see all the hype surrounding them. Ambrose and Rollins both seem alright to me, but nothing earth-shattering as the hype indicated. If anything, Reigns seems to be the star of the group because they always set him up for the big powerbomb spot. He's the front runner in my opinion.
6] Ohno's spinning elbow finisher was crap. It's still crap now that Barrett is using it. There, I said it.
7] I miss the days of just having a normal-looking championship belt that isn't tricked out or gimmicked so everyone can personalize it. I prefer the idea that nobody is bigger than the title ovedr the "look how pretty I made MY belt" mindset.
8] I'd like to see more controversial gimmicks like Swagger/Coulter. I always liked it when they pushed the boundaries of what was or wasn't "offensive" on their shows. Katie Vick was funny at the time, God losing to McMahon was worth a small giggle, poking fun at King's heart attack was hilarious. It's a show and people need to quit being so stuck up themselves.
9] Orlando Jordan could have been a solid midcard player for TNA if he hadn't been made into a complete freakshow (as someone pointed out earlier).
10] WWE needs to stop doing women's wrestling matches period. They don't know what the hell they're doing anymore.
11] Christian never should have been world champ. It was a sympathy move because of Edge getting injured and basically just a feel good moment. Them having Orton take the belt off him two days later was simply correcting things back to their natural order.
12] Bring back the six-sided ring.
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Post by hitch on Mar 9, 2013 8:13:30 GMT -5
Near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall followed by near fall......doesn't make it a "classic"
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 9:17:39 GMT -5
I really disliked both Taker/HHH matches. Too much stalling, laying on the mat and then getting up and hitting a big move before resting again. Plus, the postmatch of the cell was a huge circle jerk that made me roll my eyes.
Kelly Kelly tried damn hard to improve over the course of her career and was regularly putting on good matches as a desperate, outmatched babyface in her last year. She's really underrated.
The Attitude Era wasn't very good. People remember the great main event angles but forget that the actual wrestling went to hell at that time, there were stupid stories all over the midcard and matches were ending in two minutes. Plus, it numbed the fans and gave them unrealistic expectations of the crazy nonsense you can put on a wrestling show. It's also very much a product of the late 90's and doesn't hold up well.
Cena pulling out crazy moves like the top rope german and his hurracanrana in desperate situations is one of my favorite things about him.
The IWC is a stupid term that makes no sense. We're not a hivemind, we're a bunch of individual people with complex opinions. Nobody pretends all moviegoers think the same thing, why do we do it with wrestling?
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 9, 2013 9:35:10 GMT -5
-I never thought Michael Cole was that bad. the only time he was unbearable was when he was being booked to be unbearable. that's more WWE's fault than his. -Jeff Jarrett is criminally underrated. he's kind of like JBL where I hated him at his peak but in hindsight I realized how great he was. -Kurt Angle ceased being entertaining when he tried to be 100% SRS all the time. he doesn't need to be a total goof, but at least give him a few goofy things to do every now and again, sheesh. -I'm starting to think that Sheamus is unsalvageable. -Vince McMahon hasn't been an entertaining on-screen presence in years. I'm all for Triple H taking his role full time and phasing Vince out entirely. -Ric Flair really is unbearable these days. and while I'm on it "I'm sorry, I love you" has to be some of the most hackneyed, forced "tear-jerkers" in wrestling history. it would've been better if Shawn just looked at him with sad eyes, said nothing and just kicked him. that little comment made the whole thing come off as super-cheesy. -Samoa Joe is criminally underbooked and you can tell he doesn't give a shit anymore. it must sting him something horrible when he sees how well CM Punk is doing in WWE. -all the skilled workers in the world aren't going to change the fact that the average viewer doesn't give a shit about women's wrestling. and I say that as a guy who really enjoys SHIMMER. -I couldn't care less about the Undertaker and can't wait until he retires because the streak angle is beyond tired at this point.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 9, 2013 9:42:44 GMT -5
-I enjoyed Triple H's reign of Terror, and except for RVD and Booker T, was glad he beat everyone he did. -Goldberg is the most overrated wrestler in the history of the business. I agree mostly with your first one. I really enjoyed it and honestly wish he would have held the title from when he was awarded it in September 2002 until he faced Batista at WrestleMania 21 in April 2005. I feel there was no reason he should have dropped the title to anyone during that time and no one that did hold the title during that time should have held it. And I strongly agree with the second one. I do not like Goldberg at all. Never did, not in WCW and not in WWE. to be honest when it comes to the Reign of Terror, as awful television as it was, Trips not putting anyone over doesn't look so bad in hindsight because other than Booker T and Chris Jericho, everyone else was either just there for a paycheque and had no intention of staying long term (Goldberg), was a near cripple and couldn't work at the time (Steiner) or dropped the ball big-time when they got it (Orton, RVD). he put over the right guy in the end (Batista). and of course the other guy he put over, WWE pretends never existed for understandable reasons.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 9, 2013 9:45:17 GMT -5
ECW did wrestling more harm to than good in the long term, it exposed everything and upped the violence to the point where their stars were hurting themselves to get over, leaving them wrecks later in life. I know ECW wasn't all garbage wrestling, but it really did popularise that stupidity, but it all gets glossed over because the WWE has found there's money to be made painting them as the scrappy underdog who kept having talent that they weren't paying 'stolen' by WCW.
Ric Flair hasn't been great since the early 90s. People can blame his booking, but no-one forced him to re-sign contracts with WCW in the 90s, knowing full well how he would be used with Hogan around.
The only difference between Shawn Michaels and an Al Snow or Stevie Richards is a bottle of hairdye and a push.
Jeff Jarrett is a main event level talent, the main reason people argue otherwise is that his push came in the wrong companies. Like HHH, he is not a guy you build your company around unless you have no other options, but both deserved a few title runs to build up a hot babyface... Shame that wasn't how it played out with either of them.
In years to come, Jim Cornette will be remembered as an obnoxious rent-a-quote, rather than as one of the best heel managers of all time and he only has himself to blame.
People are far too quick to damn second/third/fourth generation talents and write them off as worthless or boring. Their parents had territories to hone their skills and grow before their big push in WWF/WCW and developmental is no substitute for that. Curt Hennig didn't debut as Mr Perfect with polished mic and ring skills, so it's unreasonable to expect that from Mike McGillicutty.
I cringe when people laugh at and encourage the likes of the Iron Sheik or the Ric Flair of recent years, I don't get any pleasure from watching people who clearly need help getting enabled.
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Post by The OP on Mar 9, 2013 10:01:57 GMT -5
I didn't like Triple H vs. Undertaker II. I don't understand what was so great about ending a match with guys walking around the ring hugging, it was just sappy blech. I even read a piece in PWI that claimed anyone who didn't love it "doesn't know what wrestling is all about" or something like that. I was honestly shocked when I read that. I often agree with the editorials from PWI writers so I thought if anything they'd be thinking like me. I thought the first Triple H/Undertaker Wrestlemania match was surprisingly great, but the second one was not very good in my opinion. It seemed like three old guys using a lot of melodrama to make up for the fact that they're so old they can barely move. It was not match of the year, it was more evidence that WWE needs to push the young guys.
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Mar 9, 2013 10:02:57 GMT -5
Damien Sandow and Fandago are one note characters being played by average wrestlers. I have no idea where either will go but right now I think they'll be gone in a year.
The SCUM storyline in RoH is terrible. It's an NWO storyline as envisioned and named by a twelve year old. I like Corino but the rest is terrible.
Kevin Steen is an average wrestler with slightly above average mic skill. He's not someone you build a federation around.
CHIKARA is a niche market wrestling organization. As much as I want them to be huge and worldwide, they're as big as they're going to get. I'm starting to think that's okay.
I'm really looking forward to the WWE career of ex-Generico. Whether he ends up as a low card comedy jobber or a mid card champion I'm happy for a guy who worked that hard making it to the Show.
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Post by DragonMasterP on Mar 9, 2013 10:08:39 GMT -5
1) JBL was/is completely awful as a commentator. It was like they were trying to turn him into a new Jesse Ventura and failed miserably.
2) Paul Heyman adds very little to whatever angle he's involved in.
3) The Shield is terrible. A complete waste of time that doesn't seem to be going anywhere noteworthy.
4) CM Punk's WWE title reign shouldn't have lasted half as long as it did.
5) Even today, anything Triple H is involved with is an interesting angle with actual depth.
6) Wade Barrett is overrated, hence why nearly everything he's been involved in has been suddenly dropped without warning.
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Post by hitch on Mar 9, 2013 10:12:39 GMT -5
Women's wrestling has sucked the life out of every WWE crowd in history and should be stopped as now 'the internet' exists for teenage boys and Jerry Lawler to see boobs.
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Post by jp49er80 on Mar 9, 2013 12:03:34 GMT -5
Chris Jericho sucks. I respect his ability in the ring, but I have never been remotely entertained by a damn thing he's done, and he's getting worse with every return, too.
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Post by Celgress on Mar 9, 2013 12:05:53 GMT -5
-A wrestler who's limited in the ring but who has a unique, memorable gimmick is a hell of a lot more entertaining than a wrestler with a bland, paint-by-numbers persona who can put on impressive matches. -There are wrestlers who I can't take seriously as stars because they're too short and/or skinny. Oddly enough, Rey Mysterio isn't one of them, probably because he actually works his matches around the idea that he's much tinier than his opponent. agreed, on both counts
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2013 13:14:53 GMT -5
John Cena cuts some of the best promos in WWE. People like to crap on his self-deprecating sense of humor or his "Southern preacher" voice; but listen to a Cena promo and tell me he doesn't give a damn about his job. That's why he's over.
If the Rock, CM Punk or Christian did the exact same promo John Cena does every week, they'd be given a 15-page thread with words like "genuis", "hilarious" and "awesome" sprinkled throughout the darn thing.
But no, because "John Cena is poopy jokes", right? (Can we move on from 2006?)
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Post by thecrusherwi on Mar 9, 2013 13:42:35 GMT -5
-Vince McMahon's brand of "sports entertainment" has consistently been the most entertaining form of wrestling in history
-Big man vs. Big man matches are an awesome spectacle and they rarely fail to entertain me
-Independent pro wrestling (most notably high-spot and hardcore based) in front of a small crowd with cheap presentation is embarrassing. Without the glitz and glamor of the big stage, it shows what pro wrestling really is: a very stupid and silly form of entertainment. I need that extra element to convince my brain that what I'm watching is not an incredibly pointless exercise
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Post by Sam Punk on Mar 9, 2013 14:01:22 GMT -5
* I'm glad there is no wrestlers union. I have no interest in $100 PPV's and the likes of Bob Holly holding the world title based simply on seniority.
* The Triple H vs Taka match was/is overrated. It's a glorified squash.
* Portia Perez is overrated.
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Post by Kitty Shamrocks on Mar 9, 2013 14:03:32 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is the most overrated wrestler of all time. I want him off my TV and I especially want the fanboys to stop praising every little f***ing thing he has done or ever will do. Good to see we can remain civil here
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