Magnus the Magnificent
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Post by Magnus the Magnificent on Mar 10, 2013 6:26:10 GMT -5
Great as he was, Owen Hart was not world champion material.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 7:28:30 GMT -5
I don't like ric flair and never have TNA has been unwatchable crap since they went to Spike TV
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 8:20:56 GMT -5
*I miss cartoony gimmicks such as IRS, Doink the Clown, Ultimate Warrior, etc. I grow weary of guy in trunks with generic name # 1, Guy in trunks with generic name # 2, Guy in trunks with generic name and tattoos, guy with generics trunks with generic names and a moustache, etc and so forth. I agree, WWF/E has done a complete 180 from 25 years ago, when it seemed like EVERY wrestler had a cartoony gimmick. Thing was, those guys are remembered more for it. In 25 years, are we going to be able to remember the names of some of the guys we're watching now? Not if they all have that same cookie-cutter formula as you mentioned. (I'm not saying everybody needs a goofy gimmick, but look what it's done for Daniel Bryan.)
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Mar 10, 2013 9:23:10 GMT -5
I don't like RVD, someone with his level of experience shouldn't be as sloppy as he has been. I loathed to see him halfarsing it in TNA, clumsily kicking people he was earning several times more than and generally looking like he didn't give a van damn.
Politics in wrestling is a very real thing, it's ridiculous the way people write off guys like Jeff Jarrett, Shane Douglas, Owen Hart, Bryan Clark, Bam Bam Bigelow and others when they were as good or better than people who were pushed ahead of them but it's just how it goes sometimes. Some people are just better at playing the game.
I'm not one to yell newz! but I do wonder sometimes if a lot of the TNA incompetence stories are made up because people at news sites don't have any real contacts there.
There is a place for real womens wrestling, TNA's knockouts division was getting good ratings at one point, better than a lot of the male workers but they didn't offer the key players enough to stay then proceeded to let the remaining talent they had stagnate.
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hitch
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Post by hitch on Mar 10, 2013 9:51:21 GMT -5
Not everyone who's dead 'would have been' world champion
Jimmy Hart added NOTHING to any guy or teams he's ever managed. He just stands there gurning in the background saiyng 'yeah baby'. He never made a single person want to buy a ticket to a single match involving a single one of his guys. Just dressing with a high pitched voice who likely was only there cos he was Hogan's bitch.
Heenan could cut a promo. He could make you think 'that slimeball, I wanna see him get his'
Hart 'Yeah baby, 400lbs babay, its time baby, he's gonna win baby!'
Oh f*** off Jimmy you untalented arse-lick.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 10:36:20 GMT -5
Bobby Lashley was extremely underrated. Yeah, yeah, bathturd and whatnot, but the guy was actually quite solid in the ring, and a great power man.
Indy wrestling bores me. I just can't find the interest to get into it.
Conversely, I don't just instantly like any superstar just because they were an "indy darling". Like Bryan and Punk, it took a long damn time for them to interest me to the point that I could understand the fanwankery they both have among the IWC.
Randy Orton is one of the best wrestlers right now, and honestly, even with the Christian stuff, he was a great WWE and World champ.
Speaking of Christian, while I like the guy, I can honestly say I never really saw him as world championship material. He's great on the mic, and in the ring, but he never made me think of him as face of the company. So, the 48 hour title loss, while sad, never really made me feel that bad for him.
ECW should have stayed dead. Even in 2005. Or at the very least, did the one reunion and left it at that.
I think Savage/Steamboat is wickedly overrated. Some good spots aside, it never wowed me like a show stealer match should.
The Attitude Era, for the most part, doesn't hold up, and honestly, I think a lot of the PG era is far superior, mainly for much better wrestling than the crappy work you'd normally get out of the worst parts of the attitude era.
Rey Mysterio should never have had a world title run, let alone two. And if not for Eddie's passing, he hopefully never would have. Again, like Christian, I don't buy Rey as a face of the company type superstar, regardless of his popularity.
Cena is one of the best people in the business right now. 5 moves, and no-selling be damned, he's deserving of the spot he has, and is a guy I can truly buy as face of the entire WWE.
Cena turning heel, while it would please the IWC, would be a stupid business decision. Also, Cena is a guy who at this stage of his career, doesn't need to ever be a villain again. It wouldn't feel as genuine.
Bret Hart is one of the most overrated superstars of all time. Not to mention, he seems pretty full of himself as well. And honestly, I think he deserved the screwjob he got.
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Post by h on Mar 10, 2013 10:53:37 GMT -5
Ric Flair should have stayed retired in 1994.
Giant Gonzalez was more enjoyable to watch than any giant who has come since.
"Stunning" Steve Austin. The Ringmaster. Stone Cold Steve Austin. In that order.
Shawn Michaels should never have held the WWF Championship.
The WWF in 1993 and 1994 was the best it has ever been.
Harvey Wippleman played an important role in that success.
The WWF in 1995 had gone downhill, but it was still better than anything that has come since.
The Attitude Era was unwatchable.
Rocky Maivia wasn't completely terrible, and he was infinitely better than The Rock.
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Post by Scott Parker on Mar 10, 2013 11:30:49 GMT -5
Hogan vs. Slaughter from WrestleMania VII was a damn fine match
less is more
Strong characters and stories > cool moves and spots
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hitch
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Post by hitch on Mar 10, 2013 11:39:52 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan has never had a bad WWE match
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DragonMasterP
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Post by DragonMasterP on Mar 10, 2013 11:51:06 GMT -5
Michael Cole actually is a good commentator, but only when he clicks with whoever his partner is, which is why he and Tazz worked so well.
Going on my earlier point, I don't like the JBL character period. His "Wrestling God" shtick was boring, and he really wasn't that good a wrestler outside of brawling.
I like it when some of the older guys show up, but only for one show.
I liked the 24/7 rule with the Hardcore title. It added more excitement and it was actually funny.
I'd be perfectly fine with never seeing Brock Lesnar in WWE ever again.
Goldberg's undefeated streak was great.
Speaking of which, I liked Goldberg's WWE run.
The Nexus angle was a disaster from beginning to end.
Maryse looks bland and generally unattractive.
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Post by "Hollywood" Cactus Matt on Mar 10, 2013 11:56:23 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan should have won the title vs. title match at WrestleMania VI and vacated the Intercontinental title, since that's what Warrior did anyway. Same tournament (except maybe put Warrior in it to put Mr. Perfect over on his way to winning), same result, same everything. I realize it's hindsight, but knowing what we know now putting the title on the Warrior was a bad idea. He should have lost the match, obsessed over losing the title, turned heel, put over another face on the way up, and then released.
Of course, that erases the awesome Retirement Match from WrestleMania VII, but maybe with a face-heel role reversal it still could have happened.
EDIT: On to another point: Nexus was never going to be anything special, at least to me. I don't understand the hype, don't understand why the top stars had to ignore face/heel status and "band together to overcome the obstacle," and in kayfabe I don't see what was so threatening about a bunch of unproven rookies teaming up and jumping people.
The Shield has fewer members and is much more threatening, IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2013 11:56:26 GMT -5
Mr. Perfect was never a wrestler I could honestly believe would have been a WWF champion. Especially in the era he was most prevalent ever.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Mar 10, 2013 12:06:29 GMT -5
Hulk Hogan has never had a bad WWE match I wouldn't go that far, but I'll say that at the very least in his prime, if Hogan had a bad match it was usually because he was stuck carrying a terrible opponent to something remotely watchable. I'm also going to echo others' sentiments about the Nexus. after Daniel Bryan was booted it was just Wade Barrett and a gang of jobbers. hell, most of them are STILL just jobbers.
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Post by The OP on Mar 10, 2013 12:27:46 GMT -5
The thing about the Nexus angle is that it shows how it's no use doing things halfway, companies should make up their minds and decide whether or not they're pushing someone instead of pulling the trigger, getting cold feet, and then trying to get the cat back in the bag (to use a series of cliches).
People have brought up the fact that they were rookies so they shouldn't have been put over so strongly at the beginning. Those same objections were probably made within the company and they were overruled. So once they made their decision they needed to stick to it and not bail on their own project. The Nexus seems like it was really weak now because of the way they tried to turn it into a vehicle for Punk (which was clearly never intended at the beginning) and from what I remember the angle was kind of just dropped when Punk did his "pipe bomb" promo and "walked out". In hindsight if they weren't gonna run with the idea of the group being a serious threat they should have ended the whole thing when Cena defeated Barrett. People would have complained that they turned it into another monster to feed Cena, but at least it would have kind of made sense and left the Nexus with a much more coherent history for us to discuss.
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Post by AJ Smudgico on Mar 10, 2013 12:27:57 GMT -5
Velvet Sky is easily the most beautiful and sexiest woman in the history of wrestling
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Post by hitch on Mar 10, 2013 14:09:51 GMT -5
Grown adult men who shout down kids at WWE shows are an embarrassment. I like wrestling as much as anyone else but it isn't 'my time' anymore and IMO younger fans should be free to elect their own leader or heroes. Same as in the 80s and 90s previous generations were without some 30 something man behind this 9 year old kid screaming "CENA SUCKS"
The generation I belong to is arguably the most selfish one that there has been. The Hulk Hogan of wrestling fans. Steadfastly refusing to pass the torch.
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Post by chazraps on Mar 10, 2013 14:17:52 GMT -5
Grown adult men who shout down kids at WWE shows are an embarrassment. I like wrestling as much as anyone else but it isn't 'my time' anymore and IMO younger fans should be free to elect their own leader or heroes. Same as in the 80s and 90s previous generations were without some 30 something man behind this 9 year old kid screaming "CENA SUCKS" The generation I belong to is arguably the most selfish one that there has been. The Hulk Hogan of wrestling fans. Steadfastly refusing to pass the torch. Not an unpopular opinion at all.
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Post by h on Mar 10, 2013 14:30:46 GMT -5
A fairly large nWo was a good idea. It was exciting when there was no telling who would go over next--it didn't matter if it was just Big Bubba Rogers. The extra numbers made them more of a force (of course, it would have been nice to have it spread out a bit more).
Fan signs should be banned from all wrestling events.
Vince McMahon was only ever worthwhile as a nerdy announcer.
Jim Ross isn't a good announcer.
I loved watching Chris Benoit and Dean Malenko. I tried hard to love watching Eddie Guerrero, but it didn't work.
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Post by hitch on Mar 10, 2013 14:36:04 GMT -5
Factions rule.
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Post by Banecat on Mar 10, 2013 14:39:06 GMT -5
CM Punk is no where near as good in the ring or on the mic then Austin Aries. Aries is just on another level that Punk will never attain.
I like The Rock and Cena's promos even when they are just full of fart and penis jokes.
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