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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 12, 2013 17:30:06 GMT -5
I think that, creatively, people cheering Punk is hurting his angle.
Firstly, I think if you like Punk's work at the moment then you should be booing him anyway, given that unlike many of his and other people's heel runs he's been basically wrong about shit fairly often.
Secondly, if him heeling it up over a man's legitimate death doesn't get you booing him in a feud against a man who is now impossible to turn heel, I don't know what will.
Thirdly... people not booing him is part of what's making him resort to the really annoying cheap heat bullshit that a lot of people are sick of. People are cheering him despite him doing the sports team mocking crap that Foley used to get over as a face with. Creatively, it is bad for Punk to cheer him because WWE is desperate for you to boo him. He has been a heel since Raw 1000, no matter what people were claiming at the time, so can we just all accept that and then maybe he can start being good on the mic again instead of talking crap about sports teams?
So if you like Punk, can you please boo him? Not you the forumers, necessarily. The WWE universe, I guess?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 17:32:05 GMT -5
You have to cheer greatness, I'm sorry in the name of people who shout "CM Punk".
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Post by Been burned too many times on Mar 12, 2013 17:34:10 GMT -5
True.
If you wanna support the heel then boo them. Heels feed off boos and faces feed off cheers. The bad guy likes to be booed so boo him when he does bad things.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Mar 12, 2013 17:34:58 GMT -5
So if I keep cheering Punk, he'll keep doing obnoxiously evil shit?
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Post by Lancers on Mar 12, 2013 17:35:43 GMT -5
The fans who cheer for him are the same types of fans who were cheering when he turned heel in ROH after winning the title. Sometimes, you got those guys who think they're smarter than your average wrestling fan so they come off acting like they're above rooting for what is being asked of them. There's nothing you can do about those types of fans. They feel that because they paid a ticket, they can root for whoever the hell they want.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 12, 2013 17:37:38 GMT -5
That will happen when you turn your #2 face heel. I think heel turns should generally be done when a face has lost steam and needs a rehaul.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 17:38:16 GMT -5
This is such a fine line though, because the cheers are protesting that he turned heel in the first place. People are refusing to stop cheering for him, and that's their right.
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Post by "American Cream" Dusty Loads on Mar 12, 2013 17:38:39 GMT -5
Or maybe people just like CM Punk and it has nothing to do with think they're "above" anything. I never get the "if you actually like them, you should boo em" I should be able to cheer for who I like regardless of face or heel.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 12, 2013 17:39:48 GMT -5
They feel that because they paid a ticket, they can root for whoever the hell they want. And can't they? |
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Post by EvenBaldobombHasAJob on Mar 12, 2013 17:39:50 GMT -5
I think a lot of people cheer for him out of spite for how forced his heel turn was to begin with.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 12, 2013 17:42:49 GMT -5
People cheer for Punk for much the same reason people boo Cena. Like real sports, people will cheer for who they like and boo who they don't. While wrestling doesn't really work that way, it's something that either has to be adapted to or ignored. In this case, WWE are just going to ignore it, as opposed to the Summer of Punk when they had little choice but to fully turn him.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 17:44:10 GMT -5
Or maybe people just like CM Punk and it has nothing to do with think they're "above" anything. I never get the "if you actually like them, you should boo em" I should be able to cheer for who I like regardless of face or heel. I find it more enjoyable to honestly cheer someone I like than fake booing them. The point of the OP is that if you really want to show Punk respect, you should boo, and I get that too. This is what WWE gets for turning a super popular wrestler that was only getting more popular. |
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Post by BigWill on Mar 12, 2013 17:44:34 GMT -5
I will wait for your other thread about how people should stop booing Cena. I'm assuming it's coming, as by your logic, it should go both ways.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 17:46:28 GMT -5
People can react however they choose, but it does seem strange to refuse to boo a heel you enjoy. If you like his work, why give him the reaction he does not want?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2013 17:50:12 GMT -5
Next time I go to a show, I'm gonna try booing the heels. I never do it, I just cheer people I like. I think it'll be fun. The last show I went to was Mania 28 and I pretty much cheered everyone but Sheamus.
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Post by The Ichi on Mar 12, 2013 17:51:52 GMT -5
People can react however they choose, but it does seem strange to refuse to boo a heel you enjoy. If you like his work, why give him the reaction he does not want? Well in my case, I don't go to live shows so I doubt me marking out for Punk on my sofa is going to affect the bottom line. |
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Post by Yami Daimao on Mar 12, 2013 17:53:14 GMT -5
They feel that because they paid a ticket, they can root for whoever the hell they want. And can't they? This. I get that it's good to boo a heel that you like to "support" them, but there's nothing wrong with cheering for them either. After all, some of the greatest superstars came from fans going against who the WWE told them they should like/not like. |
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Mar 12, 2013 17:53:58 GMT -5
Just play along like good little children is all the OP is asking.
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Post by hitch on Mar 12, 2013 17:57:31 GMT -5
It's the problem when people cheer faces because they think its 'cool' or they like them
1) it's not cool
2) if you like them - boo them.
It's what they're there for, it's what they want, it's what their continued presence on television demands. Fans don't seem to get this. Like a few years ago people got behind Christian and started cheering him then became surprised when he soon disappeared from TV. He was performing a heel role. If he wasn't getting over as a heel - he didn't have a role.
It happens time and time again. If you like a heel and want to see more of them then cheering him is the absolute worst thing you can do. Yet it happens time and time again and time again they ask 'No fair, X was buried'. - Of course because they had a slot for a heel, wanted a heel - but you kept cheering.
It'll happen again, possibly not with Punk because he gets sufficient heat from the crowd but whomever it is, it will happen.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 12, 2013 18:00:53 GMT -5
It's what they're there for, it's what they want, it's what their continued presence on television demands. Fans don't seem to get this. Like a few years ago people got behind Christian and started cheering him then became surprised when he soon disappeared from TV. He was performing a heel role. If he wasn't getting over as a heel - he didn't have a role. You trying to rewrite history to prove a point? |
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