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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 7:20:15 GMT -5
People cheering Punk is annoying, mostly because he's a c*** who tried to exploit a woman getting the hell beaten out of her to further his career. Plus, he cheated on Daffney. What kind of idiot does that? He also enjoys attacking people for their personal beliefs. But his womanizing and his patent disinterest in the feelings of other people is what really makes me not like him. Like, he's so symbolic of some of the worst attributes a human being can have. It's not like he's some demon who never does anything good, but he does all kinds of pathetic s*** and people cheer him on. I think short of committing a felony, there's really nothing he can do that would make most of his fanbase turn on him. I don't mean the smart fans who appreciate him as a worker, either. That's a credit to the character that he plays and a sign of how easily-manipulated some people can be.
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Post by kidglov3s on Mar 15, 2013 7:27:05 GMT -5
A lot of wrestling's heroes are flawed individuals. And as far as rules for who to cheer who not to cheer when to sit up when to sit down when you're allowed to watch David Lynch's Dune, when you can eat, when you can sleep, who you can talk to, what you can say, what you can't say: f*** your rules, man And whoever was comparing the 15,000+ wrestling arena to 40 person comedy club, 5 stars.
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Post by welshjobber on Mar 15, 2013 9:09:55 GMT -5
Smarks having a pop at smarks for being.. smarks?
People can boo/cheer who they want, they're not part of the scripted show.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 9:12:54 GMT -5
Would you rather follow the WCW mindset, in which if a guy people want to boo is cheered, they put him off TV, and if a guy they want cheered booed, they cram him down people's throats?
Punk's getting heat, and people are booing him. He's obviously a bad guy, but because he's so damn good at it, you have to respect him for being able to.
The best part is that he's gone a 180 from the last time he feuded with the Undertaker. Back in 2009, he tried to carry over what gave him nuclear heat against Jeff Hardy (calling him a druggie and the fans addicts for supporting a messed-up person) to the Undertaker (that he was actually drugging the audience), and that fell flat. Now, he knows what to do to really get the heat necissary for fans to want to see 'Taker destroy him.
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Post by Big Kahuna Burger on Mar 15, 2013 9:23:39 GMT -5
Smarks having a pop at smarks for being.. smarks? People can boo/cheer who they want, they're not part of the scripted show. Breaks my heart to see this kind of smark-on-smark violence.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 14:02:23 GMT -5
"Punk talked shit about Chris Brown, why didn't he talk shit about Austin" is such a ridiculous line of thinking. Twitter is made for topical discussion. It was a hot topic, and he commented. I'm not sure if people expected him to call out every single domsetic abuse incident that ever happened, or what. It's such an unrealistic expectation and just a way to try and drag him down, because people are mad about what a devoted fanbase he's got.
This one of the few instances were the term "haters" is accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 14:08:24 GMT -5
I think people bring it up because he has worked directly with Austin. I think it's a valid point to ask why one seems to get a pass from Punk while the other doesn't.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 15, 2013 14:10:26 GMT -5
You caught him. The real truth is that Punk isn't a fan of the black people.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 14:11:41 GMT -5
You caught him. The real truth is that Punk isn't a fan of the black people. Wait, is this a serious post? Sometimes I can't tell when people are joking on these boards. EDIT: Nvm. A second after posting this I remembered the Angle reference haha
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 14:12:17 GMT -5
Untalented black people to be precise. -Elijah Burke -Chris Brown
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 14:12:52 GMT -5
Haven't your friends ever done things that you think are shitty, but they're your friends and you understand them? That incident was, if I'm right, 12 years ago now, and way before he and Punk ever worked. They may have even talked about it, we don't know that. I just think it's unrealistic to expect him to publicly blast someone he works with over something tha thappened a decade ago.
What about people that didn't call out Chris Brown, or Austin? Are they shitty people that think domestic abuse is okay?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 14:19:35 GMT -5
Good God, now I know why they don't let us discuss religion or politics here. A guy calls out Chris Brown for being Chris Brown and he's "exploiting Rihanna"? What the bloody hell?
Punk does act like an asshole sometimes, but some of you guys will twist lead into knots to make a point.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 14:19:56 GMT -5
What about people that didn't call out Chris Brown, or Austin? Are they s***ty people that think domestic abuse is okay? Nice strawman. I don't understand what the problem is. Punk calls out Brown, who beat up his girlfriend. Austin has done the same thing, on more than one occasion according to Debra. Is it that hard to get why someone might wonder why he was so outspoken about one while he hasn't said anything about the other? That's all I'm saying.
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 15, 2013 14:27:26 GMT -5
People cheering Punk is annoying, mostly because he's a c*** who tried to exploit a woman getting the hell beaten out of her to further his career. Plus, he cheated on Daffney. What kind of idiot does that? He also enjoys attacking people for their personal beliefs. But his womanizing and his patent disinterest in the feelings of other people is what really makes me not like him. Like, he's so symbolic of some of the worst attributes a human being can have. It's not like he's some demon who never does anything good, but he does all kinds of pathetic s*** and people cheer him on. I think short of committing a felony, there's really nothing he can do that would make most of his fanbase turn on him. I don't mean the smart fans who appreciate him as a worker, either. That's a credit to the character that he plays and a sign of how easily-manipulated some people can be. Let's be real here, depending on the felony, they might just support him even more. Also, if we're going to give him a pass for idolizing Austin, despite his domestic violence, can we, at the very least, point out that he had jack shit to say about Charlie Sheen playing "Cultural Ambassador" for RAW1000. As in the very Charlie Sheen who has a decades long history of domestic violence, including beating and threatened to kill one wife and shooting his fiancee? I mean, he's a frickin' cokehead! That would've been a twofer for Punk.
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Post by KofiMania on Mar 15, 2013 14:56:48 GMT -5
No I think the equivalent would be laughing at a comedian you like's joke at the wrong time of the joke, totally interrupting the flow of the joke and making a spectacle of yourself at the show, just because you "paid for your ticket" and wanted to laugh at that point. Not even close. Huh? It's exactly like that. If you go into stitches at the wrong time of the joke even if something he said you found funny you might ruin the flow of his set and detract from the show. So out of respect for the comedian that you like you laugh loudest at the obvious punchline parts of the joke.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 16:00:16 GMT -5
What about people that didn't call out Chris Brown, or Austin? Are they s***ty people that think domestic abuse is okay? Nice strawman. I don't understand what the problem is. Punk calls out Brown, who beat up his girlfriend. Austin has done the same thing, on more than one occasion according to Debra. Is it that hard to get why someone might wonder why he was so outspoken about one while he hasn't said anything about the other? That's all I'm saying. I felt like that was addressed in the rest of my post. It happened a long time ago (before the two even knew each other) while social media is all about what's happening right now. They're friends (or at least friendly), so you wouldn't expect him to call him out in public about it, and it would be quite a dick move if he did. Can anyone be expected to do that? I understand the point but i think it's an unrealistic expectation. I'm re-reading this Pearl Jam book lately, and Punk reminds me of Eddie Vedder. Can't do anything without getting shit for it from cynics, there's always someone trying to poke holes in his credibility. Meh, it happens with all celebrities to an extent.
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Post by Crimson on Mar 15, 2013 16:06:37 GMT -5
He also enjoys attacking people for their personal beliefs. But his womanizing and his patent disinterest in the feelings of other people is what really makes me not like him. Like, he's so symbolic of some of the worst attributes a human being can have. It's not like he's some demon who never does anything good, but he does all kinds of pathetic s*** and people cheer him on. I think short of committing a felony, there's really nothing he can do that would make most of his fanbase turn on him. I don't mean the smart fans who appreciate him as a worker, either. That's a credit to the character that he plays and a sign of how easily-manipulated some people can be. Let's be real here, depending on the felony, they might just support him even more. Also, if we're going to give him a pass for idolizing Austin, despite his domestic violence, can we, at the very least, point out that he had jack s*** to say about Charlie Sheen playing "Cultural Ambassador" for RAW1000. As in the very Charlie Sheen who has a decades long history of domestic violence, including beating and threatened to kill one wife and shooting his fiancee? I mean, he's a frickin' cokehead! That would've been a twofer for Punk. Not to go off target, but I do find it ironic that the same people who turned Charlie Sheen into a meme and protested his firing from Two and a Half Men are quick to demonize Chris Brown. You can't have it both ways.
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Post by xCompackx on Mar 15, 2013 16:09:57 GMT -5
Being honest, I don't really think Punk is as bad as people make him out to be. Most of the stories I've heard of him seem to be more the fault of dickish fans, rumors/gossip, or bad days. Also about the Chris Brown/Austin thing, there's a big difference between someone who seems like a genuinely nice guy who did things he probably regrets, and a guy who beats his girlfriend, gets a tattoo of his beaten girlfriend (come on, there's a resemblance) and keeps acting like a douche.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2013 16:27:17 GMT -5
Huh? It's exactly like that. If you go into stitches at the wrong time of the joke even if something he said you found funny you might ruin the flow of his set and detract from the show. So out of respect for the comedian that you like you laugh loudest at the obvious punchline parts of the joke. Or, ya laugh when ya laugh, and don't fake it, you know? As a performer, I want a legit reaction, not a false "I'm doing this to be nice" one.
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Post by Reflecto on Mar 15, 2013 17:03:30 GMT -5
A couple thoughts for this:
-One big problem with the "cheer heel/boo face dynamic" that isn't mentioned is how many people there are, which is a big problem. You're not going to get a unanimous decision, for or against someone. If there's a scattered cheer or a scattered boo- maybe it's people just cheering someone who's a personal favorite or just doing it out of defiance/getting themselves over/watching the world burn. However, when the crowd gets 'really' loud , on the alternative form- that's when you have to take notice of it. If one or two people cheer a heel or boo a face, it's one thing- but if it gets large enough, then you have to assume "maybe, just maybe, the fans want this heel to turn face or this face to turn heel." This means that, for heels getting cheered/faces getting booed, the amount of cheers or boos are important to see if it's people not playing along, just cheering who they want- or if it's people coming out and saying "Maybe it's not us not choosing to play along- have you ever considered we DON'T WANT this guy to be a heel/face, and we're trying to tell you this?"
-On the "Punk attacked Chris Brown, but didn't attack Austin" thing- it is a problem- but on the flipside, keep in mind that the two are different fields of entertainment. If CM Punk, a pro wrestler, attacks Chris Brown, a musician, for attacking Rhianna, that could be seen as just CM Punk showing his displeasure for Chris Brown, like any other person would. Nothing will really come of it.
Austin, however, is another pro wrestler, retired or not. And this is important, because pro wrestling has pro wrestling rules- and as such, if CM Punk starts attacking Steve Austin for beating women- then by the rules of pro wrestling, it would eventually have to come down to the two of them having a match. If Austin vs. Punk isn't in the cards, imminently, then it's just better for Punk to not say his thoughts about Austin publicly simply because he would have to know that's basically getting every wrestling fan's hopes up that Austin vs. Punk will be happening.
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