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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 27, 2013 18:59:32 GMT -5
I can't even fathom why some of his fans are still believing this. How is it anywhere near a "joke" that he's in the second or third most important match at Wrestlemania? I get being a fan of the guy and wanting him to do well as possible, but at some point isn't it time to just step back and finally admit WWE's seen his potential and is using him well overall?
Right now the WWE roster is insanely stacked with perhaps the greatest collection of wrestling talent in the world up and down the card (and that's not even including NXT's potential), so it's not like he's playing B-lister to a bunch of clowns- certainly not when it comes to the other two main events.
The way some Punk fans on the net act, you'd think he was getting Zack Ryder or Yoshi Tatsu treatment. I mean, the guy's already a HOF lock (maybe even a "show closer" in the mold of an Edge or Bret Hart at this point) unless he either kills somebody or says something especially dumb.
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Post by Red Impact on Mar 27, 2013 19:02:48 GMT -5
I just don't get why he needs to be "rewarded" for holding the title for a year, as if holding the title in itself wasn't a reward.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on Mar 27, 2013 19:09:06 GMT -5
To be fair, we wouldn't have been able to get the excitement of MitB 2011 at all if CM Punk fans weren't able to convince themselves that a multitime world champion who'd main evented Summerslam was still a struggling underdog being held back by The Man.
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Post by thelonewolf527 on Mar 27, 2013 19:10:26 GMT -5
It's because people have been brainwashed by CM Punk and are completely delusional to any other reality other than that CM Punk should be main eventing every single show ever and if he isn't, it means he's being misused and treated poorly. Not to mention that the guy can do no wrong and is always amazing.
I think that sums it up.
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Post by BigWill on Mar 27, 2013 19:13:50 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd go as far as saying he's misused, but I'd like to see him main event at least one Wrestlemania before he retires.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 19:17:28 GMT -5
The complaining about Punk fans complaining is completely outweighing the initial complaining at this point. Kind of like Miz criticism vs. criticism of Miz criticism.
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Post by TK The Friendly Robot on Mar 27, 2013 19:22:24 GMT -5
The complaining about Punk fans complaining is completely outweighing the initial complaining at this point. Kind of like Miz criticism vs. criticism of Miz criticism. And I think this is what's said by the complainers to brush off the fact that they're being ridiculous. No offense to you personally, It's just too easy to say "bah you're complaining too much about people complaining!" rather than dealing with the topic at hand. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 19:23:35 GMT -5
CM Punk is a douche, bad wrestler, worst thing to happen to WWE, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 19:26:24 GMT -5
The complaining about Punk fans complaining is completely outweighing the initial complaining at this point. Kind of like Miz criticism vs. criticism of Miz criticism. And I think this is what's said by the complainers to brush off the fact that they're being ridiculous. No offense to you personally, It's just too easy to say "bah you're complaining too much about people complaining!" rather than dealing with the topic at hand. No, that's fair. It just seems excessive lately, and makes this section kind of a bummer to be honest. I'm not one to say CM Punk is misused, more that Undertaker and Triple H are the oldest of old news and I wish they would go away. |
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Post by Wolf Hurricane on Mar 27, 2013 19:30:41 GMT -5
The complaining about Punk fans complaining is completely outweighing the initial complaining at this point. Kind of like Miz criticism vs. criticism of Miz criticism. All of a sudden, Miz. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 19:33:57 GMT -5
Well Punk has gotten louder and angrier but they still haven't given him access to a time machine, so I think it's a valid complaint.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 27, 2013 19:35:02 GMT -5
Ok, I think we're about to overdose on the "you're complaining about complaining/no, you are" dynamic.
All I'm saying is that the guy could retire right now and be able to look back and be more than satisfied. I realize Punk's got a drive to be #1, but I don't think enough of his fans put his accomplishments into perspective.
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Post by King Boo on Mar 27, 2013 19:35:19 GMT -5
It's because people have been brainwashed by CM Punk and are completely delusional to any other reality other than that CM Punk should be main eventing every single show ever and if he isn't, it means he's being misused and treated poorly. Not to mention that the guy can do no wrong and is always amazing. I think that sums it up. Man that post is condescending. |
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Post by Djm Doesn't Find You Funny on Mar 27, 2013 19:35:52 GMT -5
If you have to use the "Because it's CM Punk..." argument or some variation, you have already lost the argument.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Mar 27, 2013 19:38:55 GMT -5
Talent wise, there are a lot of great wrestlers in the company, but I would argue there aren't that many strong stars. If you took Rock, Brock, Taker and Triple H off this card, they wouldn't be breaking the 1.3 million barrier they're gunning for.
Anyway, if people are complaining about Punk's spot, they're wrong, as he's one of the actual strong stars on the card at Wrestlemania that could fit up there with the four I mentioned, along with John Cena.
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Post by Juice on Mar 27, 2013 21:49:35 GMT -5
I think his year long title run was supposed to help us ignore the fact that his first two world title runs were less than appreciated. Hell he didn't even get to defend the World title to lose it the first go around.
He's a top guy, I appreciate that. He should be. But yeah he should have main evented mania this year. And he should have faced Cena. Their match on Raw was incredible and that blow off should have closed mania.
Punk deserves the spot because he and cena both are workhorses and strive to be the best. I am not getting into the ridiculous conspiracy shit about him being misused or unappreciated. But yeah there are instances of him not being given the spots, he should have. Not just because he is Punk and I love him, but it just makes sense.
And no this is not the usual hate threads that pop up for the part timers either. WWE sees dollar signs in Cena v Rock two and that's why it's the main event. But they also see potential in Punk v Taker or it wouldn't happen.
I think for one Punk works IWC logic. He says so in his dvd, he uses the raven quote of smart fans being the easiest to fool, and too many people on the internet fail to realize this. His interviews may be genuine, but they sure as hell seem to be character driven as well to me.
I do see Punk finally taking a hiatus after mania which will be very good because if he doesn't I just don't see much potential in anything he could do after the taker match.
Sure he and Brock could do an alliance, but really where would that go especially since all of the rumors lead to Lesnar getting the belt.
another thought I had is that people say they Punks reign was null because he was just keeping it for the Rock, well then What is Rock doing? Keeping to drop to Cena, and what's Cena doing? Kepping it warm for Lesnar etc. That argument doesn't make sense.
Honestly WM 30 should have either Punk vs Cena in the closer or Punk vs Daniel Brian.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 27, 2013 21:50:38 GMT -5
I said it in the other thread; He's the new Bret Hart
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Post by Savage Gambino on Mar 27, 2013 22:12:30 GMT -5
To be fair, we wouldn't have been able to get the excitement of MitB 2011 at all if CM Punk fans weren't able to convince themselves that a multitime world champion who'd main evented Summerslam was still a struggling underdog being held back by The Man. And this is exactly why I just could not understand when people say (or said) that Punk NEEDS to defeat Undertaker to be solidified as a main eventer. What the hell do you call the longest title reign in recent WWE history? Paying dues? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2013 22:20:28 GMT -5
To be fair, we wouldn't have been able to get the excitement of MitB 2011 at all if CM Punk fans weren't able to convince themselves that a multitime world champion who'd main evented Summerslam was still a struggling underdog being held back by The Man. And this is exactly why I just could not understand when people say (or said) that Punk NEEDS to defeat Undertaker to be solidified as a main eventer. What the hell do you call the longest title reign in recent WWE history? Paying dues? I think it has to do with him never getting that big clean win where he is officially as good (in kayfabe) as Cena/etcl. MITB 2011 was close but they had to make sure that Cena only lost because he's too good of a person. Also, dat heel turn....big reason why people say Punk is "misused", even if it's not the exact right term. |
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Post by Ragnal on Mar 27, 2013 22:23:04 GMT -5
I don't know if I'd go as far as saying he's misused, but I'd like to see him main event at least one Wrestlemania before he retires. And I think that's where the complaining's coming from, the fact that while, yeah, Punk held onto the title for over a year, he never really got to main event enough PPVs, nor does he main event the biggest show of the year after all that. So it's kind of understandable that people complain, because it doesn't look fair to hold a title belt for that long and not be allowed to properly showcase your worth. |
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