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May 16, 2013 3:01:12 GMT -5
Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 16, 2013 3:01:12 GMT -5
My problem with the Saw V traps is {Spoiler}If you were actually physically in the room during the second trap there's no way you wouldn't realize those holes could easily fit two people. I know that they were supposed to be assholes but I think even they would've been like "yknow... plenty of room here". Honestly, in general the whole time I was like "you know, you could have just done X and then all of you would have survived, you're making this harder than it needs to be". I was baffled to find out the characters' stupidity was actually a plot point. I also hated that it started the bullshit trend of "someone MUST die in each trap" as it completely contradicts the premise of anything in the franchise so far, as the entire POINT of it was that the victims could survive and that Jigsaw was hoping they would. {Spoiler}I remember how disappointed I was that Strahm was killed off in the fifth film. He was one of my favorite characters and was a badass on top of that as well. I would've had him barely escape the closing walls and be a rogue FBI agent that was hunting Hoffman. {Spoiler}I completely agree with this. When I saw that, I couldn't help but be rather angry they decided to keep the statu quo as it was instead of taking the much more interesting route the series desperately needed by giving Hoffman a true rival. I especially loved Strahm because he was one of the few genuinely heroic characters since Dr Gordon, who they of course had to ruin as well.
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May 16, 2013 3:24:06 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 3:24:06 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I had no problem with the trend that someone ALWAYS had to die in the traps because that was a huge plot point , was that Hoffman and to the same extent Amanda could never truly carry on Jigsaws legacy because they all fail to understand the true message and purpose of Jigsaws message.
I am sure Hoffman would have tainted the Saw 5 traps in someway if he was not busy with Strahm.
A for killing off Heroes....was I the only one just kind of hoping that Danny Glover would somehow be revealed to actually be still alive? lol come on I would have marked so much for that so much more instead of the obvious one we got.
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Saw
May 16, 2013 3:32:44 GMT -5
Post by SsnakeBite, the No1 Frenchman on May 16, 2013 3:32:44 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I had no problem with the trend that someone ALWAYS had to die in the traps because that was a huge plot point , was that Hoffman and to the same extent Amanda could never truly carry on Jigsaws legacy because they all fail to understand the true message and purpose of Jigsaws message.
I am sure Hoffman would have tainted the Saw 5 traps in someway if he was not busy with Strahm.
A for killing off Heroes....was I the only one just kind of hoping that Danny Glover would somehow be revealed to actually be still alive? lol come on I would have marked so much for that so much more instead of the obvious one we got. {Spoiler}Okay but that's a premise that should have lasted exactly one movie. After that, it stops being the character missing the point of his mentor and it becomes the writers missing the point of the movies.
And yeah, I would loved to see Tapp return. Dude was a badass and a great character. The first video game would have been drastically improved had Tapp still looked, acted and sounded like Glover.
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May 16, 2013 4:10:20 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 4:10:20 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}I disagree about the writers missing the point and that it should have only lasted 1 movie.
Thats what Saw 5 was all about...specifically that lenghty flashback of Jigsaw and Hoffmans first face to face confrontation where Jigsaw lays it all out for him and even lectures him about taking a human life..which is what I said thats the whole point of the "Hoffman triogy" as it is dubbed
Hell that entire scene sums up Hoffmans complete purpose.
He says Seth deserved to die in the pendulum trap. Jigsaw berates him and tells him KILLING IS DISTASTEFUL.
If the premise of Hoffman being unable to carry on Jigsaws legacy lasted only a single movie then that extremely well done face off with the two would have meant nothing , but it meant perhaps the most out of everything in the post Jigsaw movies.
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May 16, 2013 4:42:33 GMT -5
Post by Mochi Lone Wolf on May 16, 2013 4:42:33 GMT -5
First three are fantastic, not much I like about the rest.
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May 16, 2013 5:20:17 GMT -5
Post by Futureraven: Beelzebruv on May 16, 2013 5:20:17 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler} Again, not having seen them, Hoffman just seems like a much weaker character to be the main villain. There's Jigsaw with his twisted sense of right and wrong, making traps to teach people that can be escaped from, just at a great cost. Then there's Amanda, his protege, the one person who managed to win before Saw started. In winning she fell in love with the guy, idolised him and wants to carry on his work, but her emotions get the better of her to the point she goes against his teachings. Then there's Hoffman who's just a sadistic bastard. From what people are saying, sounds like he had no depth.
Maybe having a nemesis in Strahm would have helped flesh out the character, but as it is, he's just a guy who kills people.
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Saw
May 16, 2013 6:12:16 GMT -5
Post by Living Shadow on May 16, 2013 6:12:16 GMT -5
{Spoiler}Saw 5 and 6 develop Hoffman a lot and delve into his reasons for helping Jigsaw and what set him off.
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May 16, 2013 8:31:52 GMT -5
Post by Jiren on May 16, 2013 8:31:52 GMT -5
Saw Saw II Saw VI Saw V Saw III Saw IV Saw 3D
The only one I consider bad is 3D, DEAR GOD did that movie suck
I should really do a Marathon of these movies.
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May 16, 2013 10:12:53 GMT -5
Post by bob on May 16, 2013 10:12:53 GMT -5
I thought this needed to be in here somewhere
Also I totally with the last of them being garbage. There is literally nothing I like about it.
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Saw
May 16, 2013 10:35:59 GMT -5
Post by MGH on May 16, 2013 10:35:59 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}It was a while before I actually took to Hoffman as a legit main villain. At the end of Part VI when he essentially breaks his hand with his face, out smarts the trap, and rips his cheek in half to get away from it? That was a moment where it clicked. You know like, "oh shit, Hoffman is legitimately to be feared". Before that I know the movies told me to, but I didn't.
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May 16, 2013 17:03:34 GMT -5
Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on May 16, 2013 17:03:34 GMT -5
I like these films so much that I genuinely don't have the energy to write here how much I like them.
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Saw
May 16, 2013 17:05:23 GMT -5
Post by Living Shadow on May 16, 2013 17:05:23 GMT -5
Saw Saw II Saw VI Saw V Saw III Saw IV Saw 3D The only one I consider bad is 3D, DEAR GOD did that movie suck I should really do a Marathon of these movies. I've done a marathon of the entire series in a row a couple of times. It's fun to do provided you have the patience for it and also have the day set aside with no other plans.
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May 16, 2013 17:34:20 GMT -5
Post by kidglov3s on May 16, 2013 17:34:20 GMT -5
Saw Saw II Saw VI Saw V Saw III Saw IV Saw 3D The only one I consider bad is 3D, DEAR GOD did that movie suck I should really do a Marathon of these movies. I've done a marathon of the entire series in a row a couple of times. It's fun to do provided you have the patience for it and also have the day set aside with no other plans. I found that watching them in a marathon made them exponentially more enjoyable. Similar to how much Friday 1-4 are enhanced by watching them sequentially (I like watching 1-8 in a marathon just as much, especially how they go full circle temporally with 1 beginning at dawn and 8 ending at dawn (or at least near to it), but they don't have the element of continuity that the first four Fridays or the Saw series benefit from).
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Saw
May 16, 2013 17:45:59 GMT -5
Post by Living Shadow on May 16, 2013 17:45:59 GMT -5
Yeah, even some of the entries I'm not a big fan of like 3 and 7 I find are made more watchable when watched in an all-day marathon with the rest of them. The way the series ties together and ultimately comes full circle, it makes for a pretty fulfilling day of viewing.
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May 16, 2013 17:52:40 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 16, 2013 17:52:40 GMT -5
I love watching them in a Marathon with a first time viewer and just finding myself enjoying the reactions especially to the original movies twist almost as much as the movies themselves...and then having to keep them from confusing themselves as the story unfolds.
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Saw
May 16, 2013 17:59:40 GMT -5
Post by Living Shadow on May 16, 2013 17:59:40 GMT -5
I've never done that before with a first-time viewer, it sounds like fun.
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May 16, 2013 23:38:34 GMT -5
Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 16, 2013 23:38:34 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I don't think anyone is saying they're upset that Saw went with the direction of SOMEONE having to die. It's Saw. There's no way anyone should expect a happy ending for anyone. However, you see the wasted potential when they kill off three of the most interesting main characters.
Detective Matthews should've lived and seen his son(we never found out what happened or what was going on with Daniel), Jeff getting shot by Strahm when Saw III ended with the hint that Jeff would have to endure another test in order to find his daughter, and Strahm dying was idiotic. It would've been nice to see some backstory on him. We nknow his character was married since he was wearing a wedding ring, it would've be nice to see or understand why Erickson kept Perez faking her death from Strahm, and etc.
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May 17, 2013 0:22:34 GMT -5
Post by Living Shadow on May 17, 2013 0:22:34 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I always felt there was a lot of untapped potential with Amanda's character. I was looking forward to seeing her spearhead the games after the way Saw II ended, but then Saw III pretty much did away with that concept :/
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May 17, 2013 0:47:46 GMT -5
Post by Deleted on May 17, 2013 0:47:46 GMT -5
{Spoiler}{Spoiler}When it comes to the heroes and villans the only ones I would have loved to see lived/return either because I just liked them or felt their was more use they could have gotten out of them.
Detective Tapp -- It is gawd damn Danny Glover like I said above I would have marked out so hard to know he was alive because he was just a badass...the man got his gawd damn throat slit but yet still didn't stop like a gawd damn terminator.
Detective Matthews -- Like said above we never got a complete closure here with his son....hell when saw 2 ended I was of the thought that Daniel is going to somehow be someone that took to Jigsaws teachings because of his abandonment issues etc.
Jill Tuck -- THIS pissed me off more than the others and is the biggest reason I absoloutley HATE Saw 3d this was literally the last remnence of Hero who was close to Jigsaw but was not someone corrupted so to speak...she was a unique perspective for the audience and when she strapped that jaw trap on Hoffman it was like the smile on my face was collectively happening with every other Saw fan because it was perfect...the man that orchestrated Jigsaws demise (the letter to Amanda which set her off and set in motion the ending of Saw 3) got done in by his ex wife.
Amanda -- This one I am of two minds about..on one hand I hated that she died because she was easily the best character outside of Jigsaw and her obsessed emotional attachment to Jigsaw was interesting and I would have loved to have seen what would have happened if she and Jill had come face to face and I was with everyone else that believed that somehow someway she was infact still alive and would pop back up to exact her revenge on Hoffman , but on the other hand She was a character that did not overstay her welcome and her death is memorable for the fact she dies along side Jigsaw.
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May 17, 2013 1:08:41 GMT -5
Post by Living Shadow on May 17, 2013 1:08:41 GMT -5
{Spoiler}I kept hoping to the end of the series that Amanda was going to cheat death and be the one to kill Hoffman. Always thought her putting him in the original Jaw Splitter trap while he was in the bathroom would've been awesome.
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