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Post by cool guy on May 14, 2013 17:39:54 GMT -5
I mean, he is sort of boring, though great in the ring.
They should just keep trying new things with him. He has enough upside that it's worth the effort.
I mean Daniel Bryan was pretty boring for a while, too, and eventually he found something to connect him with the audience.
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Post by rnrk supports BLM on May 14, 2013 17:43:43 GMT -5
Hey, what do Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, R-Truth, and Brodus Clay all have in common? They were all pushed and protected less than Antonio Cesaro, got over more than he ever did, and then got fed to him last summer in a futile attempt to try to get him a decent reaction.
Like Drew McIntyre, I really can't feel sorry for another overpushed prospective golden boy who was given a bigger opportunity than most guys ever see and failed to capitalize on it, no matter how "misused" his fanbase believes he is.
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Post by Andrew is Good on May 14, 2013 17:47:12 GMT -5
I find Cesaro very exciting, I guess that's me though. The man should be pushed to the moon.
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on May 14, 2013 17:54:29 GMT -5
Hey, what do Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, R-Truth, and Brodus Clay all have in common? They were all pushed and protected less than Antonio Cesaro, got over more than he ever did, and then got fed to him last summer in a futile attempt to try to get him a decent reaction. Like Drew McIntyre, I really can't feel sorry for another overpushed prospective golden boy who was given a bigger opportunity than most guys ever see and failed to capitalize on it, no matter how "misused" his fanbase believes he is. They were also given time to connect with people and not constantly have their act changed over a 6 month period. Hell, Santino was in the same spot Cesaro is (but as a face) after his debut but he wasn't yanked around constantly by having his gimmick pulled after a month or given to someone that is far less over just because he is pet of JR. The same Ryder we see now is same guy that showed up on ECW 3 or 4 years ago. Brodus Clay is the same guy he was when he came back to RAW about 18 months ago and had a months long undefeated streak as well.
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Post by Totorob101 on May 14, 2013 18:16:24 GMT -5
Cesaro will be fine, he has the talent to get through this rough patch. Now if he is still jobbing and not doing a lot in 6 or 7 months time, thens the time to be worrying.
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Post by mizerable on May 14, 2013 19:03:03 GMT -5
Hey, what do Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, R-Truth, and Brodus Clay all have in common? They were all pushed and protected less than Antonio Cesaro, got over more than he ever did, and then got fed to him last summer in a futile attempt to try to get him a decent reaction. Like Drew McIntyre, I really can't feel sorry for another overpushed prospective golden boy who was given a bigger opportunity than most guys ever see and failed to capitalize on it, no matter how "misused" his fanbase believes he is. How did he "fail to capitalize"? As I said in another thread, you're only as good as your booking allows and if in that span of time, you don't show anything, then it's your fault. Cesaro has shown more than guys like Swagger or Miz ever did, yet they were given more chances and more time to shine. His reactions during the matches themselves have been just fine, it's the character they stuck him with that didn't do much. There's also the whole losing match after match, at a time when the crowd may be coming around...but no, it's his fault because he somehow lost those matches.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 14, 2013 19:13:47 GMT -5
Hey, what do Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, R-Truth, and Brodus Clay all have in common? They were all pushed and protected less than Antonio Cesaro, got over more than he ever did, and then got fed to him last summer in a futile attempt to try to get him a decent reaction. Like Drew McIntyre, I really can't feel sorry for another overpushed prospective golden boy who was given a bigger opportunity than most guys ever see and failed to capitalize on it, no matter how "misused" his fanbase believes he is. There's a difference. All four of those guys have crowd-friendly gimmicks. The comical Italian, the Jersey Shore bro, the crazy guy, and the dancing gimmick guy. With Drew and Antonio, both of them were given boring characters that never stood a chance of getting over. A slow talking creepy looking Scotsman and a multi-lingual Swiss rugby player have no chance of getting over, no matter who they beat.
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Post by mrjl on May 14, 2013 19:26:47 GMT -5
Hey, what do Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, R-Truth, and Brodus Clay all have in common? They were all pushed and protected less than Antonio Cesaro, got over more than he ever did, and then got fed to him last summer in a futile attempt to try to get him a decent reaction. Like Drew McIntyre, I really can't feel sorry for another overpushed prospective golden boy who was given a bigger opportunity than most guys ever see and failed to capitalize on it, no matter how "misused" his fanbase believes he is. There's a difference. All four of those guys have crowd-friendly gimmicks. The comical Italian, the Jersey Shore bro, the crazy guy, and the dancing gimmick guy. With Drew and Antonio, both of them were given boring characters that never stood a chance of getting over. A slow talking creepy looking Scotsman and a multi-lingual Swiss rugby player have no chance of getting over, no matter who they beat. this is part of the problem with people and gimmicks now days. You randomly disregard aspects of the gimmick for no reason and then judge the incomplete gimmick. Drew was Vince's pet project who was flat out not allowed to lose. That was the main thrust of his gimmick.
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Post by mrjl on May 14, 2013 19:27:30 GMT -5
Hey, what do Santino Marella, Zack Ryder, R-Truth, and Brodus Clay all have in common? They were all pushed and protected less than Antonio Cesaro, got over more than he ever did, and then got fed to him last summer in a futile attempt to try to get him a decent reaction. Like Drew McIntyre, I really can't feel sorry for another overpushed prospective golden boy who was given a bigger opportunity than most guys ever see and failed to capitalize on it, no matter how "misused" his fanbase believes he is. How did he "fail to capitalize"? As I said in another thread, you're only as good as your booking allows and if in that span of time, you don't show anything, then it's your fault. Cesaro has shown more than guys like Swagger or Miz ever did, yet they were given more chances and more time to shine. His reactions during the matches themselves have been just fine, it's the character they stuck him with that didn't do much. There's also the whole losing match after match, at a time when the crowd may be coming around...but no, it's his fault because he somehow lost those matches. you know Miz and Swagger have been in WWE several more years than Cesaro.
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Post by Haulk on May 14, 2013 19:29:18 GMT -5
Cesaro not more boring than Alberto. When will they realize he is NOT Eddie Guerrero At least Cesaro has holy shit moments with his uppercuts and finisher.
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Post by Hit Girl on May 14, 2013 19:30:26 GMT -5
There's a difference. All four of those guys have crowd-friendly gimmicks. The comical Italian, the Jersey Shore bro, the crazy guy, and the dancing gimmick guy. With Drew and Antonio, both of them were given boring characters that never stood a chance of getting over. A slow talking creepy looking Scotsman and a multi-lingual Swiss rugby player have no chance of getting over, no matter who they beat. this is part of the problem with people and gimmicks now days. You randomly disregard aspects of the gimmick for no reason and then judge the incomplete gimmick. Drew was Vince's pet project who was flat out not allowed to lose. That was the main thrust of his gimmick. Vince choosing said slow talking creepy looking Scotsman to be his chosen one does not make the gimmick anymore appealing.
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Post by WorkingInAColeMine on May 14, 2013 19:39:00 GMT -5
Some people like Cesaro Some people don't the news story.
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Post by mizerable on May 14, 2013 19:44:30 GMT -5
you know Miz and Swagger have been in WWE several more years than Cesaro. Yes, and failed to live up to expectations, yet they were protected much more and their 'bouts' of losing didn't go on nearly as long. Will Cesaro bounce back? Possibly. But it won't be nearly as soon as those guys did, if at all. I'll also go so far as to say Cesaro got more response from the crowd than either guy did in their first year.
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Post by shabobble on May 14, 2013 19:49:02 GMT -5
Wait, so the yodelling was supposed to make him more interesting?!?? Don't question their logic. That farting gimmick got Natalya over big time. I can't reconcile that the WWE writers are coming up with stuff like this, but one prerequisite of their jobs is like five years of experience writing for other television shows.
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Post by anticonscience on May 14, 2013 19:59:51 GMT -5
I figured that they were punishing him for trying to put the "W" in WWE.
There's no place for that in the world of sports entertainment dammit!
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Post by shabobble on May 14, 2013 20:02:57 GMT -5
I figured that they were punishing him for trying to put the "W" in WWE. There's no place for that in the world of sports entertainment dammit! And it's not even like he specified which W.
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Post by xCompackx on May 14, 2013 20:06:18 GMT -5
I mean, he is sort of boring, though great in the ring. They should just keep trying new things with him. He has enough upside that it's worth the effort. I mean Daniel Bryan was pretty boring for a while, too, and eventually he found something to connect him with the audience. Agreed. I remember the "news stories" being similar for Daniel Bryan and he's doing well for himself now. I don't really get why WWE was trying to do the whole "cocky foreigner" thing with Cesaro though when it didn't really work with ADR.
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Post by gnr123 on May 14, 2013 20:07:08 GMT -5
Yeah, becuase every wrestler has to be main eventing in their first year in the company.
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Post by mrjl on May 14, 2013 20:07:25 GMT -5
you know Miz and Swagger have been in WWE several more years than Cesaro. Yes, and failed to live up to expectations, yet they were protected much more and their 'bouts' of losing didn't go on nearly as long. Will Cesaro bounce back? Possibly. But it won't be nearly as soon as those guys did, if at all. I'll also go so far as to say Cesaro got more response from the crowd than either guy did in their first year. here's a link: www.onlineworldofwrestling.com/bios/j/jack-swagger/take a look at Jack's 2012 he spent more time losing than Cesaro had been on TV
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 14, 2013 20:20:17 GMT -5
Yeah, becuase every wrestler has to be main eventing in their first year in the company. They can and have if pushed properly. Shield is doing so well right now because they're protected. Randy Orton was also protected during his formative heel years, despite being, at the time, boring as f***. In time, the right amount of credibility and charisma shining through can make a guy a star. But you have to dedicate yourself completely to a plan and not waver because clueless buck-toothed f***s like Kevin Dunn backstage don't find him "entertaining". Wins and losses MATTER, regardless of what revisionist idiocy tries to paint. If you put a rocket on Antonio, and he fails, then you move on. No harm. But if you stop and start, and then job him out, you're just shooting yourself in the foot, and you're (WWE) the one who's failed --not Cesaro.
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