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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 13, 2015 23:17:38 GMT -5
Well, Japan's Age of Ultron poster manages to spoil a pretty big secret in the movie. There's a japanese trailer that pretty much shows you the entire movie. The Big Hero 6 Japanese trailer gave away some major scenes. After it leaked Disney was like "yeah, the brother dies, but there's a lot more..."
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Post by Jedi-El of Tomorrow on May 13, 2015 23:20:23 GMT -5
There's a japanese trailer that pretty much shows you the entire movie. The Big Hero 6 Japanese trailer gave away some major scenes. After it leaked Disney was like "yeah, the brother dies, but there's a lot more..." Should have just blamed it on HYDRA, their treachery knows no bounds, they'll even go after Baymax.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 18, 2015 12:15:09 GMT -5
I finally got to see it last night. Not that anyone asked for it, but here is a few of my observations about it:
1) It was a fun movie. Not sure I gained much watching it in 3D though.
2) Pietro more or less HAD to die. If they really are going to have a future movie with a lot of in-fighting, he unbalances things tremendously. He demonstrated that when he and Cap tried to stop Stark from activating Vision. That, and he seemed to act as something of a crutch for Scarlett Witch anyways.
3) Pietro DID die. I know that they demonstrated that his metabolism allowed him to completely shrug off getting shot in the arm, but let's not forget what he got shot with. Weapons like that typically turn humans into hamburger at those ranges. I would say at best his power is what limited them to only having to carry out one hunk of meat to bury rather than many. Also, if he did not really die Scarlett Witch would not have abandoned her post to seek out and destroy the Vibranium body of Ultron.
4) I really don't think the motivation behind the Civil War in the comics will be the motivation behind the Civil War in the movies. Excluding various Extremis, HYDRA, and SHIELD test subjects, there are not that many superpowered individuals out there. A registration act would not be as likely to be a big issue. What I suspect the issue will be is that Stark will push for some planetary defense grid that, while potentially useful in dealing with alien threats, would be far too HYDRA-like for Cap's taste and could be used to subjugate large portions of the planet. It is unfortunate Fox owns the movie rights to Fantastic 4, since Doom and Stark working together on such an initiative would be a perfect thing to completely turn Cap on Stark.
5) Having Hulk go into hiding is perfect. He is supposed to be a character that is devastated with loneliness, afraid of hurting those he cares about. It also solves a problem that they had in most of Phase 2 (Gee, these guys are in a real bind. If only they had a green rage monster on speed-dial....).
6) I did not mind the romance at all. It also served the purpose outlined in my previous point.
7) I sort of hope that there was some off-line back-up of Ultron somewhere. Perhaps a corrupted file from right before Vision cut off his uplink abilities in a suit. The corruption keeps the file from being able to animate multiple forms, but allows a single Ultron to exist. I just enjoyed James Spader in the role and would not mind a re-emergence later.
8) How did Andy Serkis's character NOT bleed to death? I saw not blood anywhere. He also seemed to take the missing limb in stride.
9) More Black Panther references! If only I or the general public knew much at all about the character!
10) Thor gets awfully high and mighty about Stark hiding things from the team when he did much of the same. Maybe it might be worth his time to keep the guy paranoid about alien invasions in the loop about interplanetary events. He probably would not have minded knowing that there are more potential allies out there that have been dealing losses to the baddies behind the the Chitauri.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 18, 2015 12:42:13 GMT -5
4) I really don't think the motivation behind the Civil War in the comics will be the motivation behind the Civil War in the movies. Excluding various Extremis, HYDRA, and SHIELD test subjects, there are not that many superpowered individuals out there. A registration act would not be as likely to be a big issue. What I suspect the issue will be is that Stark will push for some planetary defense grid that, while potentially useful in dealing with alien threats, would be far too HYDRA-like for Cap's taste and could be used to subjugate large portions of the planet. It is unfortunate Fox owns the movie rights to Fantastic 4, since Doom and Stark working together on such an initiative would be a perfect thing to completely turn Cap on Stark. I think that the registration act will totally be the spark for Civil War. Age of Ultron showed that the world is becoming distrustful and even hateful when it comes to super powered individuals. The Hulk rampage and Stark's creation of Ultron have just thrown fuel on the fire. Remember...super powered people were blowing places up in IM3, attacking the U.S. in Dark World and supers destroyed the U.S. greatest intelligence agency in Winter Soldier. It's brewing.
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on May 18, 2015 13:13:10 GMT -5
4) I really don't think the motivation behind the Civil War in the comics will be the motivation behind the Civil War in the movies. Excluding various Extremis, HYDRA, and SHIELD test subjects, there are not that many superpowered individuals out there. A registration act would not be as likely to be a big issue. What I suspect the issue will be is that Stark will push for some planetary defense grid that, while potentially useful in dealing with alien threats, would be far too HYDRA-like for Cap's taste and could be used to subjugate large portions of the planet. It is unfortunate Fox owns the movie rights to Fantastic 4, since Doom and Stark working together on such an initiative would be a perfect thing to completely turn Cap on Stark. I think that the registration act will totally be the spark for Civil War. Age of Ultron showed that the world is becoming distrustful and even hateful when it comes to super powered individuals. The Hulk rampage and Stark's creation of Ultron have just thrown fuel on the fire. Remember...super powered people were blowing places up in IM3, attacking the U.S. in Dark World and supers destroyed the U.S. greatest intelligence agency in Winter Soldier. It's brewing. It'll culminate in the Infinity War films, where the world realizes just how much they need the heroes they gave a hard time to when Thanos shows up.
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Post by Rolent Tex on May 18, 2015 14:45:55 GMT -5
I think that the registration act will totally be the spark for Civil War. Age of Ultron showed that the world is becoming distrustful and even hateful when it comes to super powered individuals. The Hulk rampage and Stark's creation of Ultron have just thrown fuel on the fire. Remember...super powered people were blowing places up in IM3, attacking the U.S. in Dark World and supers destroyed the U.S. greatest intelligence agency in Winter Soldier. It's brewing. It'll culminate in the Infinity War films, where the world realizes just how much they need the heroes they gave a hard time to when Thanos shows up. For their sake, I hope the Avengers don't pull an Autobots and fake their deaths to prove a point while Chicago is destroyed. That Optimus Prime is an asshole.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 18, 2015 14:53:46 GMT -5
It'll culminate in the Infinity War films, where the world realizes just how much they need the heroes they gave a hard time to when Thanos shows up. For their sake, I hope the Avengers don't pull an Autobots and fake their deaths to prove a point while Chicago is destroyed. That Optimus Prime is an asshole. That seems like more a Professor X move
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 18, 2015 15:27:38 GMT -5
4) I really don't think the motivation behind the Civil War in the comics will be the motivation behind the Civil War in the movies. Excluding various Extremis, HYDRA, and SHIELD test subjects, there are not that many superpowered individuals out there. A registration act would not be as likely to be a big issue. What I suspect the issue will be is that Stark will push for some planetary defense grid that, while potentially useful in dealing with alien threats, would be far too HYDRA-like for Cap's taste and could be used to subjugate large portions of the planet. It is unfortunate Fox owns the movie rights to Fantastic 4, since Doom and Stark working together on such an initiative would be a perfect thing to completely turn Cap on Stark. I think that the registration act will totally be the spark for Civil War. Age of Ultron showed that the world is becoming distrustful and even hateful when it comes to super powered individuals. The Hulk rampage and Stark's creation of Ultron have just thrown fuel on the fire. Remember...super powered people were blowing places up in IM3, attacking the U.S. in Dark World and supers destroyed the U.S. greatest intelligence agency in Winter Soldier. It's brewing. I took it as more of a anti-Stark issue. Remember, the people throwing things at the Iron Legion were in Sokovia, the same place the twins are from and a city that has suffered mightily at the hands of Stark weapons. Bear in mind, I still have not seen Dark World so I cannot comment on that, but I imagine that if it was a Thor film everyone and their mother saw any supers attacking a city as another alien invasion. In IM3, the number of people who actually saw the supers enough to recognize them as such (the ones that blew up were thought to be suicide bombers by the public) was actually very small. As for supers destroying SHIELD, which supers were that? As far as the public knows, the only super involved in the whole mess was Captain America. The Winter Soldier himself was a whispered myth amongst the spy business and I don't know that he was mentioned at all to the public (remember, they all think Bucky is dead). Long story short, as far as the public knows there isn't very many supers at all. To their knowledge there is Hulk, Abomination, Captain America, Scarlett Witch, Stark-tech users, and aliens. Since the tech users are just normal people and the most non-Asgardian aliens (that Terrans know of) are obviously alien to Earth, the people that a registration list as far as the public knows of would be small. I don't see a lot of demand for such an act.
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Post by Porky's Butthole on May 18, 2015 16:38:23 GMT -5
Bruce Banner is a hipster.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 18, 2015 18:47:48 GMT -5
I took it as more of a anti-Stark issue. Remember, the people throwing things at the Iron Legion were in Sokovia, the same place the twins are from and a city that has suffered mightily at the hands of Stark weapons. Bear in mind, I still have not seen Dark World so I cannot comment on that, but I imagine that if it was a Thor film everyone and their mother saw any supers attacking a city as another alien invasion. In IM3, the number of people who actually saw the supers enough to recognize them as such (the ones that blew up were thought to be suicide bombers by the public) was actually very small. As for supers destroying SHIELD, which supers were that? As far as the public knows, the only super involved in the whole mess was Captain America. The Winter Soldier himself was a whispered myth amongst the spy business and I don't know that he was mentioned at all to the public (remember, they all think Bucky is dead). Long story short, as far as the public knows there isn't very many supers at all. To their knowledge there is Hulk, Abomination, Captain America, Scarlett Witch, Stark-tech users, and aliens. Since the tech users are just normal people and the most non-Asgardian aliens (that Terrans know of) are obviously alien to Earth, the people that a registration list as far as the public knows of would be small. I don't see a lot of demand for such an act. IM3 is really weird, as in, the President is kidnapped and is about to be executed on national television before Iron Man and War Machine save the day, and no one in the MCU ever addresses this fact. I mean, huh? Perhaps it might cause legitimate problems if it is ever discovered that someone could penetrate the wall of security surrounding the POTUS? That would seem as good of a reason as any to keep it under wraps.
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Post by Brood Lone Wolf Funker on May 18, 2015 19:00:29 GMT -5
For their sake, I hope the Avengers don't pull an Autobots and fake their deaths to prove a point while Chicago is destroyed. That Optimus Prime is an asshole. That seems like more a Professor X move Every time Professor X is mentioned as being an asshole I keep thinking of all the times that he has done some asshole things and than am reminded of that one page from Textsfromsuperheroes
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 18, 2015 20:25:40 GMT -5
It'll culminate in the Infinity War films, where the world realizes just how much they need the heroes they gave a hard time to when Thanos shows up. For their sake, I hope the Avengers don't pull an Autobots and fake their deaths to prove a point while Chicago is destroyed. That Optimus Prime is an asshole. Character wise none of them would ever go for that, especially Cap. The only one who might suggest that in a sarcastic fashion would be Stark.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 19, 2015 0:32:55 GMT -5
That seems like more a Professor X move Every time Professor X is mentioned as being an asshole I keep thinking of all the times that he has done some asshole things and than am reminded of that one page from Textsfromsuperheroes It's so weird for me to read how much of a jerk-off Professor X is in the comics, after knowing him mostly from the animated series and the movies.
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Post by Red Impact on May 19, 2015 1:04:23 GMT -5
It's apretty good movie. I think it suffers a bit from "Middle Movie syndrome" but overall Ultron was a cool villain and I liked how they expanded the universe. I don't think they really have done that much, so it was nice to see them do it here. Also, I will say that I absolutely love the long-panning action shots. I don't care that 2/3 of it is CGI, it's still refreshing for an action movie to not have succumbed to the Bay style of action scenes and actually let us enjoy the action in them. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The way Whedon handled Hawkeye was hilarious to me, although I did have to groan a little at Pietro's "Bet you didn't see that coming" line. I half expected him to wink at the camera before falling dead. That said, Hawkeye was awesome in this movie, which will hopefully quell some of the dissent about him in the first movie/Thor.
I actually did like the banter between Banner and Black Widow. It was cure, and it made the ending much more impactful for me.
I'll say it again, Spader as Ultron was great. Bettany as Vision I could take or leave.
All that said, I hate Whedon's writing sometimes. It works for some characters, I don't think robots should be cracking jokes though. Kind of a pet peeve thing but it's not really DC making the movies. It's Warner Brothers that handles everything. It's different than Marvel Studios where it's pretty much run and managed by mostly comic people with Disney letting them do whatever. Warner Brothers ain't hearing that noise. To be fair, Superman did save people in Man of Steel. I don't understand the criticism of how he was just causing damage with no regard to the people in the buildings or below. Zod was creating the majority of the damage and he wasn't going to let Superman go to an isolated location either. I never got the reasoning here, tbh. In Kansas, and after Supes destroyed the machine, Supes was the target himself. Zod's minions, and later Zod, didn't give a shit about anyone else. So why wouldn't they follow him if he jumped a quarter mile in any direction in Kansas, or flew Zod over the ocean during the course of the fight? It's not like it had to be a Dragonball Z thing, it could easily be done within the context of the fight. If they had shown him trying and failing, that'd be one thing, but to not even try makes that criticism completely valid in my eyes. Superman was shit at protecting people. As for him killing Zod, it's not the way Superman operates 98 times out of 100, but they wrote him in a way that it had to be done in the movie.
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Post by chrom on May 19, 2015 8:12:18 GMT -5
In Kansas, and after Supes destroyed the machine, Supes was the target himself. Zod's minions, and later Zod, didn't give a shit about anyone else. So why wouldn't they follow him if he jumped a quarter mile in any direction in Kansas, or flew Zod over the ocean during the course of the fight? It's not like it had to be a Dragonball Z thing, it could easily be done within the context of the fight. If they had shown him trying and failing, that'd be one thing, but to not even try makes that criticism completely valid in my eyes. Superman was shit at protecting people. As for him killing Zod, it's not the way Superman operates 98 times out of 100, but they wrote him in a way that it had to be done in the movie. The most telling moments in Man of Steel that showed that he was either too stupid to be a hero or simply didn't care was when he saved Lois near the end of the movie as she was falling as there were likely hundreds of people trapped in rubble that could have also used his help, and when he simply flew over the gas tanker instead of trying to stop it, since there could have been someone in that parking structure, or, he simply doesn't give a shit about really expensive property damage. Even the first Avengers movie tried to keep the Chitauri invasion relegated to a 6 block radius. The Avengers tried to save the city and its property as best they could. Which made the fact that Iron Man willingly destroys a building construction site a little weird in Age of Ultron, though that was done so Whedon could work in an obvious visual parallel to 9/11. That does explain the reason why he's leaving The Avengers for now, with all the destruction done in the fight between him and Hulk as well as what happened in the finale, he's going to have to be spending his time and resources fixing up the destruction that happened
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 19, 2015 8:19:23 GMT -5
Every time Professor X is mentioned as being an asshole I keep thinking of all the times that he has done some asshole things and than am reminded of that one page from Textsfromsuperheroes It's so weird for me to read how much of a jerk-off Professor X is in the comics, after knowing him mostly from the animated series and the movies. We should have listened to Kitty.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2015 9:44:27 GMT -5
The most telling moments in Man of Steel that showed that he was either too stupid to be a hero or simply didn't care was when he saved Lois near the end of the movie as she was falling as there were likely hundreds of people trapped in rubble that could have also used his help, and when he simply flew over the gas tanker instead of trying to stop it, since there could have been someone in that parking structure, or, he simply doesn't give a shit about really expensive property damage. Even the first Avengers movie tried to keep the Chitauri invasion relegated to a 6 block radius. The Avengers tried to save the city and its property as best they could. Which made the fact that Iron Man willingly destroys a building construction site a little weird in Age of Ultron, though that was done so Whedon could work in an obvious visual parallel to 9/11. That does explain the reason why he's leaving The Avengers for now, with all the destruction done in the fight between him and Hulk as well as what happened in the finale, he's going to have to be spending his time and resources fixing up the destruction that happened {Spoiler}To be fair, didn't Stark scan that construction site before driving the Hulk through it?
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 19, 2015 9:47:35 GMT -5
That does explain the reason why he's leaving The Avengers for now, with all the destruction done in the fight between him and Hulk as well as what happened in the finale, he's going to have to be spending his time and resources fixing up the destruction that happened {Spoiler}{Spoiler}To be fair, didn't Stark scan that construction site before driving the Hulk through it? {Spoiler}He did.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 19, 2015 10:17:03 GMT -5
That does explain the reason why he's leaving The Avengers for now, with all the destruction done in the fight between him and Hulk as well as what happened in the finale, he's going to have to be spending his time and resources fixing up the destruction that happened To be fair, didn't Stark scan that construction site before driving the Hulk through it? {Spoiler}He did, and then said something about buying the building. He obviously intended to pay for the damages.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2015 13:37:52 GMT -5
It's apretty good movie. I think it suffers a bit from "Middle Movie syndrome" but overall Ultron was a cool villain and I liked how they expanded the universe. I don't think they really have done that much, so it was nice to see them do it here. Also, I will say that I absolutely love the long-panning action shots. I don't care that 2/3 of it is CGI, it's still refreshing for an action movie to not have succumbed to the Bay style of action scenes and actually let us enjoy the action in them. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The way Whedon handled Hawkeye was hilarious to me, although I did have to groan a little at Pietro's "Bet you didn't see that coming" line. I half expected him to wink at the camera before falling dead. That said, Hawkeye was awesome in this movie, which will hopefully quell some of the dissent about him in the first movie/Thor.
I actually did like the banter between Banner and Black Widow. It was cure, and it made the ending much more impactful for me.
I'll say it again, Spader as Ultron was great. Bettany as Vision I could take or leave.
All that said, I hate Whedon's writing sometimes. It works for some characters, I don't think robots should be cracking jokes though. To be fair, Superman did save people in Man of Steel. I don't understand the criticism of how he was just causing damage with no regard to the people in the buildings or below. Zod was creating the majority of the damage and he wasn't going to let Superman go to an isolated location either. I never got the reasoning here, tbh. In Kansas, and after Supes destroyed the machine, Supes was the target himself. Zod's minions, and later Zod, didn't give a shit about anyone else. So why wouldn't they follow him if he jumped a quarter mile in any direction in Kansas, or flew Zod over the ocean during the course of the fight? It's not like it had to be a Dragonball Z thing, it could easily be done within the context of the fight. If they had shown him trying and failing, that'd be one thing, but to not even try makes that criticism completely valid in my eyes. Superman was shit at protecting people. As for him killing Zod, it's not the way Superman operates 98 times out of 100, but they wrote him in a way that it had to be done in the movie. Because at that point Zod had nothing else to lose, safe to say he was going to start slaughtering people regardless of what Superman attempted to do.
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