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Post by Red Impact on May 19, 2015 13:47:36 GMT -5
Because at that point Zod had nothing else to lose, safe to say he was going to start slaughtering people regardless of what Superman attempted to do. But wasn't his goal at that point Superman? IIRC, he was in a rage at that point. People tend to get single-minded in states of extreme emotion, as Zod was, so if Superman had taken the fight a little bit away from the center of a heavily populated megacity, Zod likely would have followed him just because he cared far more about killing Superman than he did about crushing humanity at that point. Sure, if Superman completely tried to flee and get away he may do stuff to try to draw him out, but we're not talking about that as much as we are just getting out of downtown metropolis where they can do the most possible damage, just like Superman didn't think to get out of the only dense cluster of people in the middle of Kansas farmland.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 19, 2015 13:50:56 GMT -5
It's apretty good movie. I think it suffers a bit from "Middle Movie syndrome" but overall Ultron was a cool villain and I liked how they expanded the universe. I don't think they really have done that much, so it was nice to see them do it here. Also, I will say that I absolutely love the long-panning action shots. I don't care that 2/3 of it is CGI, it's still refreshing for an action movie to not have succumbed to the Bay style of action scenes and actually let us enjoy the action in them. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}The way Whedon handled Hawkeye was hilarious to me, although I did have to groan a little at Pietro's "Bet you didn't see that coming" line. I half expected him to wink at the camera before falling dead. That said, Hawkeye was awesome in this movie, which will hopefully quell some of the dissent about him in the first movie/Thor.
I actually did like the banter between Banner and Black Widow. It was cure, and it made the ending much more impactful for me.
I'll say it again, Spader as Ultron was great. Bettany as Vision I could take or leave.
All that said, I hate Whedon's writing sometimes. It works for some characters, I don't think robots should be cracking jokes though. I never got the reasoning here, tbh. In Kansas, and after Supes destroyed the machine, Supes was the target himself. Zod's minions, and later Zod, didn't give a shit about anyone else. So why wouldn't they follow him if he jumped a quarter mile in any direction in Kansas, or flew Zod over the ocean during the course of the fight? It's not like it had to be a Dragonball Z thing, it could easily be done within the context of the fight. If they had shown him trying and failing, that'd be one thing, but to not even try makes that criticism completely valid in my eyes. Superman was shit at protecting people. As for him killing Zod, it's not the way Superman operates 98 times out of 100, but they wrote him in a way that it had to be done in the movie. Because at that point Zod had nothing else to lose, safe to say he was going to start slaughtering people regardless of what Superman attempted to do. He only attempted that after Superman finished the fight and had him in the headlock. If he really cared about just killing people he would have just started chucking cars at people... but he didn't... because he didn't care about the Earth or anyone on it... he considered them collateral damage and said as much at one point in the film. He wanted to kill Superman for ruining the one thing he was made for which was to protect Krypton... that's his entire motivation for his end fight. If Superman lead him away Zod would have followed. Though they never explained why they decided they had to make Krypton on the one planet in the solar system that had someone that could stop them... since it was established that the machines completely terraform the planets including the atmosphere... or why he would WANT to terraform the planet to be New Krypton... wouldn't someone trying to protect Krypton which as stated was his only goal they wouldn't he want the kryptonians to be the gods that they are on non-terraformed Earth. But can we please not drag discussion on Man of Steel and it's many many many problems into a completely unrelated thread?
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Post by The Legendary Ring Troll {BLM} on May 19, 2015 15:52:21 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing this. I'd read some bad reviews on it, so my hopes were dashed a bit. Glad to say I was pleasantly surprised. Ultron was pretty cool, though not what I was expecting. Very jokey, but it worked, making him seem more psychotic. I was never a Vision fan in the comics, but I liked the screen version. The only this in the movie I felt was kind of forced and groan inducing was the banter between Widow and Banner. I don't mind building a relationship between the two, as others have pointed out this made the end more impactful. But their lines were pure f***ing cheese. There were audible, loud groans in my theater at one of her lines in the bedroom, I think it was.
And ya know, I missed the majority of Captain America 1, haven't seen Winter Solider yet and don't remember much of what Black Widow did in whatever Iron Man she was in (3?), but am I going crazy in thinking she at one point had at least SOMEWHAT of a Russian accent, which now appears to be gone? It just struck me last night when I decided to watch the Ultimate Avengers animated movie since I enjoyed AoU so much, and Widow in that show has a super thick accent.
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Post by Fundertaker on May 19, 2015 16:20:41 GMT -5
Well, she spoke Russian in the first Avengers movie.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2015 17:00:11 GMT -5
Because at that point Zod had nothing else to lose, safe to say he was going to start slaughtering people regardless of what Superman attempted to do. He only attempted that after Superman finished the fight and had him in the headlock. If he really cared about just killing people he would have just started chucking cars at people... but he didn't... because he didn't care about the Earth or anyone on it... he considered them collateral damage and said as much at one point in the film. He wanted to kill Superman for ruining the one thing he was made for which was to protect Krypton... that's his entire motivation for his end fight. If Superman lead him away Zod would have followed. Though they never explained why they decided they had to make Krypton on the one planet in the solar system that had someone that could stop them... since it was established that the machines completely terraform the planets including the atmosphere... or why he would WANT to terraform the planet to be New Krypton... wouldn't someone trying to protect Krypton which as stated was his only goal they wouldn't he want the kryptonians to be the gods that they are on non-terraformed Earth. But can we please not drag discussion on Man of Steel and it's many many many problems into a completely unrelated thread? No one is dragging Man of Steel's problems into an unrelated thread. A poster compared how the Avengers protected innocent bystanders to Superman's "Man of Steel" film. There's no arguing, flaming, or name calling. Just a healthy discussion that is more or less related because of an individual bringing about the comparisons between the two.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 19, 2015 17:01:55 GMT -5
Finally got around to seeing this. I'd read some bad reviews on it, so my hopes were dashed a bit. Glad to say I was pleasantly surprised. Ultron was pretty cool, though not what I was expecting. Very jokey, but it worked, making him seem more psychotic. I was never a Vision fan in the comics, but I liked the screen version. The only this in the movie I felt was kind of forced and groan inducing was the banter between Widow and Banner. I don't mind building a relationship between the two, as others have pointed out this made the end more impactful. But their lines were pure f***ing cheese. There were audible, loud groans in my theater at one of her lines in the bedroom, I think it was. And ya know, I missed the majority of Captain America 1, haven't seen Winter Solider yet and don't remember much of what Black Widow did in whatever Iron Man she was in (3?), but am I going crazy in thinking she at one point had at least SOMEWHAT of a Russian accent, which now appears to be gone? It just struck me last night when I decided to watch the Ultimate Avengers animated movie since I enjoyed AoU so much, and Widow in that show has a super thick accent. You still haven't seen Winter Soldier?! What are you waiting for?! Get on it. It's amazing!
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 19, 2015 17:02:04 GMT -5
For the record that wasn't me speaking as a mod... that was me speaking as a poster.
It wasn't an official decree or anything.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on May 19, 2015 17:02:39 GMT -5
It's more funny given how Elizabeth Olsen gave Scarlet Witch a crazy thick accent.
Her performance was great, but half the time I was waiting for her to start talking about Moose And Squirrel.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 19, 2015 17:08:57 GMT -5
Makes sense that Black Widow would lose her accent as a part of being a spy, I suppose. Makes it easier to blend in (as much as a redheaded Scarlet Johansson could ever blend in anywhere).
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Post by Lord Rahl on May 19, 2015 17:28:33 GMT -5
So a buddy and i were discussong the MCU and a thought occured to me. Now this may be an insanely stupid question, but was ScarJo ever actually called Black Widow in any of these movies? Everytime I can think of, it's either Natasha or Romanoff.
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Post by andrew8798 on May 19, 2015 17:29:31 GMT -5
Don't believe so
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 19, 2015 17:38:29 GMT -5
I'm not sure if she has...
But she has worn the Black Widow hourglass and is listed as such in the credits.
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Post by Savage Gambino on May 19, 2015 17:48:18 GMT -5
I'd have to go back and check, but I think Fury may have called her Black Widow in Iron Man 2. I know for a fact she was called Black Widow in Winter Soldier, during the climax. One of the HYDRA operatives says "Black Widow is up there" while directing Rumlow/Crossbones to Alexander Pierce and the World Security Council.
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Post by Lord Rahl on May 19, 2015 17:50:10 GMT -5
I'm not sure she has... But she has worn the Black Widow hourglass and is listed as such in the credits. I'm more interested in another hour glass with her lol. That's kinda odd though. Wonder why that is. Everyone else goes by both their names.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on May 19, 2015 17:53:13 GMT -5
The Russian general he's interrogating in Avengers calls her "the famous Black Widow", and the battle footage from Budapest when Coulson is on the phone to her lists her and Barton's real names and code names. That's the only times I can remember.
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Post by AFN: Judge Shred on May 19, 2015 23:13:57 GMT -5
I think I recall her being called "Widow" at least once.
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Post by Dr. T is an alien on May 20, 2015 13:46:23 GMT -5
She was referred to as Widow at least once in Age of Ultron. I think it was when she was captured and missing.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 23, 2015 1:07:28 GMT -5
I have an honest question and it's not an intention to troll. Does anyone else get distracted by Ruffalo as Banner? I look at him only to find myself wishing it was Edward Norton still. Norton, despite what happened in terms of the Incredible Hulk production, along with the contract issues, he still visually represented what I envisioned in my head as Bruce Banner.
He just looks exactly how Banner should look in my eyes. Very unassuming, quiet, somewhat frail looking, and him wearing the glasses along with the lab coat in his government issued identification card was truly spot on visually.
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Post by Johnny B. Decent on May 23, 2015 1:10:38 GMT -5
I have an honest question and it's not an intention to troll. Does anyone else get distracted by Ruffalo as Banner? I look at him only to find myself wishing it was Edward Norton still. Norton, despite what happened in terms of the Incredible Hulk production, along with the contract issues, he still visually represented what I envisioned in my head as Bruce Banner. He just looks exactly how Banner should look in my eyes. Very unassuming, quiet, somewhat frail looking, and him wearing the glasses along with the lab coat in his government issued identification card was truly spot on visually. I felt like Norton was a bit too handsome (Best word I can use) to be this super-smart scientist. Not as bad as Denise Richards as Christmas Jones, certainly, but sort of in the same vein. Ruffalo feels a bit more of a natural fit.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on May 23, 2015 1:14:59 GMT -5
I have an honest question and it's not an intention to troll. Does anyone else get distracted by Ruffalo as Banner? I look at him only to find myself wishing it was Edward Norton still. Norton, despite what happened in terms of the Incredible Hulk production, along with the contract issues, he still visually represented what I envisioned in my head as Bruce Banner. He just looks exactly how Banner should look in my eyes. Very unassuming, quiet, somewhat frail looking, and him wearing the glasses along with the lab coat in his government issued identification card was truly spot on visually. I felt like Norton was a bit too handsome (Best word I can use) to be this super-smart scientist. Not as bad as Denise Richards as Christmas Jones, certainly, but sort of in the same vein. Ruffalo feels a bit more of a natural fit. Well to be fair, it's not like Bruce was drawn as some unattractive scientist either. But I do see what you're saying in terms of how cinematic presentations of super-smart scientist should look visually. Denise Richards and Tara Reid as scientists made me laugh admittedly.
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