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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Aug 8, 2013 17:00:11 GMT -5
...Eh. I mean, will it really make THAT much of a difference? Hogan and Bischoff's fingerprints have been all over the product for years. This is just making it official.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Aug 8, 2013 17:01:47 GMT -5
If anything, it'd be nice to have a wrestling world where people like Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Vince Russo, Paul Heyman, Jim Cornette, and other such names people mention who have held the book (Prichard, Mantell, etc.) aren't around controlling things behind the scenes. Yes, I'd much rather prefer Heyman-Cornette types in charge than Hogan-Bischoff-Russo types, but wrestling as a whole, especially wrestling that isn't McMahon-owned, won't change, won't innovate, won't experiment, won't be something altogether different when people keep going back to these types of people to run a show.
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Post by ededdneddy on Aug 8, 2013 17:03:07 GMT -5
So will we be seeing Sabian drop the title to Hogan? Rashad Cameron is TNA champion? I meant Sabin lol
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Post by 01010010 01101001 01100011 on Aug 8, 2013 17:07:07 GMT -5
Hopefully Bischoff remembers how bad 2010-2011 of TNA and everything he did in the AWA and WCW outside of 96-97 was before trying to actually be "creative". Let the writers write and, if for some reason you have to throw in your .02 cents, take a clue from what made you famous and steal from Japan again.
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Post by Michael Coello on Aug 8, 2013 17:11:31 GMT -5
If anything, it'd be nice to have a wrestling world where people like Hulk Hogan, Eric Bischoff, Vince Russo, Paul Heyman, Jim Cornette, and other such names people mention who have held the book (Prichard, Mantell, etc.) aren't around controlling things behind the scenes. Yes, I'd much rather prefer Heyman-Cornette types in charge than Hogan-Bischoff-Russo types, but wrestling as a whole, especially wrestling that isn't McMahon-owned, won't change, won't innovate, won't experiment, won't be something altogether different when people keep going back to these types of people to run a show. The question, of course, being who? Most of the guys people name are either not in a position to do that or seem more like pipe dreams than actual alternatives.
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Post by Ishmeal Loves Kaseyhausen on Aug 8, 2013 17:16:39 GMT -5
I didn't read any of the thread yet. Better not be Russo.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 17:29:05 GMT -5
I'm actually glad. Finally, we know what the hell Bischoff actually does there, and we can judge him accurately. If things go well and stay good, way to go Bisch. If not, he's getting blamed blamed blamed.
WCW was really good creatively for 2 years out of the 8 years Bischoff was in charge. So uh...not too optimistic, but it's possible he stumbles onto a great angle he can ride out for a bit.
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Post by SOR on Aug 8, 2013 19:26:51 GMT -5
I love how people are mad that the only man who ever managed to compete with Vince McMahon is now in charge of TNA. We could focus on all the good Eric did such as Cruiserweights, Goldberg, nWo and the hundreds of great moments in WCW but no, that'd be too positive towards TNA. Eric can turn TNA around. How about we all give him a chance before "LOL@TNA!"? Would it be more apt to say those why by into revisionist history and gleefully try to repeat it are doomed to the actuality of what happened before? I truly believe that Eric and Dixie both believe that WCW worked, and would still work and have "won" if AOLTW didn't pull the funding. Thus it isn't that they don't know that WCW went out of business or that Eric helmed a ship for six years that managed to be profitable, at best, half the time. However, if the line "we just need a little more time" is what is believed...then well I'm glad the Carters have a lot of money. The funny thing about the "those who forget history are doomed to repeat it" line is that Bischoff took over WCW when they were in worse shape than TNA is now, and he turned that franchise into the #1 wrestling promotion in the world within a few years. Everyone remembers the fall, but no one remembers (or wants to remember) the climb. I'm not suggesting that Bischoff will do a good job in this role, but what got him in trouble in WCW was the unlimited bank account. Once revenue started to dip, the enormous guaranteed contracts crippled that company. As long as TNA is working within their means as best they can, I doubt Bischoff can do anything that mirrors WCW even if he wanted to (i.e. signing Batista). You are 100% correct. Eric Bischoff had about 3 months that were considered "bad" in WCW (That being his early 99 stuff and his mid 2000 stuff) The other 4-5 years of quality are always forgotten about because the story sounds a lot better if you say "ERIC BISCHOFF KILLED WCW!" Bischoff already been in charge of TNA Creative. His finger prints been all over the booking since he showed up. All this is just a formality. Nothing is going to change (good or bad) creative wise in TNA. Like what? Apart from the Aces and Eights angle (Which everyone loved 6 months ago) what are Bischoff's finger prints on? Everyone remembers the fall, but no one remembers (or wants to remember) the climb. That's because the fall happened so amazingly fast that it has to be studied by promoters to learn exactly what NOT to do with a promotion. Bischoff wasn't involved in the fall. He had control until like April 1999 and then Kevin Nash got the book with Bischoff helping out wasn't doing that much. He then returned in April 2000 until about July and had to work with Russo. We're really all sitting here judging the guy on a bad 3 months of WCW (That wasn't even THAT bad) Basically its rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic I am trying to think of something positive to say but I can't come up with anything. We still are stuck in are NWO rehash with Aces and 8's vs the MEM The "TNA is a sinking ship!!" meme is getting really old really fast and seen as they're currently resigning talent to bigger better deals it's all but been confirmed that TNA were streamlining, not cutting talent because they were bleeding money. As for being stuck with MEM/A&8s, the story is well on it's way to resolving so we're not stuck with that either. And to add onto this, Again, Everyone loved the Aces and Eights angle until about 6 months ago. It has ran a little long but people are always talking about how "Story lines should be built week to week" but as soon as someone does a long angle with plot twists and story people complain. I'm actually glad. Finally, we know what the hell Bischoff actually does there, and we can judge him accurately. If things go well and stay good, way to go Bisch. If not, he's getting blamed blamed blamed. WCW was really good creatively for 2 years out of the 8 years Bischoff was in charge. So uh...not too optimistic, but it's possible he stumbles onto a great angle he can ride out for a bit. WCW was good creatively from 94-99. Early 99 Bischoff got burned out and took a back seat in exchange for Nash giving him the book and letting him control things. I agree with your first point though. Give Bischoff until BFG and if the shows are crap then that's fair. Whining about him from day 1 will make people look silly if Eric actually does something of quality though.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Aug 8, 2013 19:28:46 GMT -5
I look forward to the Kiss Demon and return of Hog Wild from Sturgis.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 19:28:59 GMT -5
Its an obvious choice really, but not a good choice. Enjoy Hogans title run everybody. Yes the Hogan title run that he could have had as soon as he walked through the door because Dixie is such a mark, yet only now that the villainous Eric Bischoff is head of creative is it going to happen because of course we all know that Hogan and Bischoff are the heads of the Wrestling Axis of Evil. I choose to take that literally. Thank you for agreeing with me
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Post by The Ichi on Aug 8, 2013 19:34:41 GMT -5
SOR, you're adorable.
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Aug 8, 2013 19:39:10 GMT -5
Eh, it might not be so bad. WCW under Bischoff was probably the best it ever was. That's like saying that the captain of the Titanic was a pretty good sea captain until he smashed into the iceberg.
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Post by SOR on Aug 8, 2013 19:43:17 GMT -5
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Post by Glitch on Aug 8, 2013 19:45:11 GMT -5
It was a nice x-division resurgence while it lasted.
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Post by Hit Girl on Aug 8, 2013 19:47:04 GMT -5
I love how people are mad that the only man who ever managed to compete with Vince McMahon is now in charge of TNA. We could focus on all the good Eric did such as Cruiserweights, Goldberg, nWo and the hundreds of great moments in WCW but no, that'd be too positive towards TNA. Eric can turn TNA around. How about we all give him a chance before "LOL@TNA!"? Because non of the factors and talent (in their prime) that helped Bischoff be successful in WCW are applicable to TNA Eh, it might not be so bad. WCW under Bischoff was probably the best it ever was. That's like saying that the captain of the Titanic was a pretty good sea captain until he smashed into the iceberg. In fairness to Captain Smith, when the collision happened, it was during someone else's shift.
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Post by Non Banjoble Tokens on Aug 8, 2013 19:49:11 GMT -5
ERIC?!! You're giving the company to Eric?! He is a bad, bad man!
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Aug 8, 2013 19:49:59 GMT -5
Bischoff already been in charge of TNA Creative. His finger prints been all over the booking since he showed up. All this is just a formality. Nothing is going to change (good or bad) creative wise in TNA. Like what? Apart from the Aces and Eights angle (Which everyone loved 6 months ago) what are Bischoff's finger prints on? SOR, 6 months ago........people were fans of Bully Ray. They were not fans of the rest of Aces & Eights. Aces & Eights have been one of the most pathetic "serious" factions of all time
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 19:59:11 GMT -5
SOR, I was one of the few who defended Bischoff in this thread but even I have to call bullshit on your earlier post. 1. Yeah, Eric Bischoff was the only guy to take it to Vince McMahon. That was 1995. What has he done lately? 2. Eric can turn TNA around? He's had a lot of power for 3 years now, and TNA is somehow in a worse position than before he started. 3. Three months that were considered bad? You gotta be kidding me. For reference, Bischoff was in charge of WCW from 1993-1999. 1994 was okay, 1995 was terrible other than Nitro starting, 1996 was okay, 1997 and 1998 were good and 1999 was bad. So that's at least 2 years right there that were shitty. His stint in 2000 was also terrible. 4. People loving the Aces and Eights angle at any point is news to me. 5. Bischoff was definitely involved in the fall of WCW. He wasn't removed as President of WCW until September 1999 and that year WCW had already began a big downward spiral. Dumb decisions like bringing in KISS and Master P definitely didn't help matters. 6. People are looking for long storylines that are actually, y'know....good. No point having a long storyline if it sucks balls. 7. Again, Bischoff was removed as President of WCW in September 1999. Yeah he claims he was burnt out but by no means was this Eric volunteering to take a back seat. He got fired.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 20:00:02 GMT -5
And to add onto this, Again, Everyone loved the Aces and Eights angle until about 6 months ago. It has ran a little long but people are always talking about how "Story lines should be built week to week" but as soon as someone does a long angle with plot twists and story people complain. I didn't love the Aces & Eights angle. It was yet another tired large faction angle from the beginning, except this one had the bonus of the big, scary, company-threatening, evil faction looking like shit for the first few months of their existence.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2013 20:00:34 GMT -5
I honestly don't know what to make of this. Bisch had one good run in WCW that was basically: "nWo." He was crushing it for a solid five years or so, but even in the last couple years of him being in charge things got really sloppy. Ever since then I really haven't cared for anything he's been a part of either inside wrestling or in his reality TV ventures. So - just know, when I post this gif, it is not because I blindly hate Eric Bischoff or expect nWo 4.3 Jelly Bean or any of the typical low-blows one could take at Bischoff - it is purely based on the fact that as both an on-screen character and on his creative endeavors post-WCW I haven't enjoyed the work he's produced. It is a matter of taste. What he sees as good TV and what I see as good TV just doesn't jibe. We see entertainment VERY differently. Was the Scott Baio show successful? Of course. Does Bischoff have a very keen mind when it comes to trying to grab at the lowest common denominator? Naturally. So while he could prove beneficial financially for TNA, creatively, my reaction is:
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