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Post by EyeofTyr on Sept 22, 2013 18:00:43 GMT -5
I think it's telling that at all of the quarterly share holder meetings they've had since they've gone public there was at least one person that would question Vince about Savage, only for Vince to no sell it & move on. It wasn't until one of the share holders with a sizable claim in the company rather forcibly asked Vince about using Savage that he grudgingly said he'd look into it, and that's when Savage finally appeared in a WWE sponsored video for the first time in forever. Even if it was an advertizement.
Too lazy to go look for the fan cam somebody recorded of them at the moment, but I remember somebody posting it on these boards way back when. Partially because I recall the earlier ones getting the buzz going on this Vince & Savage speculation every time and because I remember that last incident giving people hope we'd actually see Savage on WWE TV again maybe.
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Post by Crappler El 0 M on Sept 22, 2013 18:20:10 GMT -5
I think that what happened in 1996 may have permanently soured Vince on bringing Randy back. His contract expires, begins to negotiate with Vince and Vince badly wants him back, but Randy jumps back to WCW at the last minute. I think Savage was supposed to be the mystery opponent in the Yoko/Vader eight man match, but they had to bring Snuka in at the last minute. Savage returning as MSG would have been a great moment. I think he did the same thing in 1998, meaning we missed out on Crazy Randy Savage vs Austin. I remember there were rumors that Savage would be the mystery parter. That was around the time I started going to wrestling news sites. Anyway, if it's true that Vince tried really hard to bring in Savage it is kind of funny how a few months earlier Vince produced all of those Billionaire Ted videos which took some shots at Savage.
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Post by Throwback on Sept 22, 2013 21:32:58 GMT -5
Maybe Lawler just said the wrong show name... It's not like Jerry worked for WCW, and it was almost 20 years ago. I'm positive that things I thought happened on Superstars could've happened on Challenge, or All American Wrestling. Well, Jerry basically said (I'm paraphrasing): Remember how Nitro aired one hour before Raw? Well, not long before Raw, Vince McMahon tells someone to go get Randy. Well, Bruce Pritchard or Pat Patterson told Vince to come look at this monitor. And it was Randy on Nitro! Then Vince came to me and asked if I could work color commentary for Raw. It was supposed to just be for that night. 20 years later and I'm still there. -Yeah, I paraphrased the hell out of Jerry's words, but that's basically what he said. here's the direct quote "I never got into this business for one minute thinking that I'd be a commentator. I love the wrestling aspect of the business and that's the only reason I wanted to be in it and that's all I ever wanted to be. You know the commentating just happened one day when Randy Macho Man Savage jumped ship and he and Vince McMahon had been doing the commentary together. And Randy was the color guy and I remember, I think we were out in the pockano mountains. Ready to do RAW and if you remember WCW during the monday night wars came on like an hour before Raw did. We were all sittin around I remember hearing Vince say "Somebody get Randy so we can go over something here on the show" And suddenly, I think it was Howard Finkel came in and said "Vince, look at the TV" he turned the TV on and there was Macho Man. Standing there on WCW television, he had left with no warning, no notice, or anything like that." So I apologize for my earlier comment. Jerry did mention Nitro.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Sept 22, 2013 21:45:08 GMT -5
In Bret's book he mentions that Randy called Vince drunk off his ass at like 3am to inform him he was gone to WCW. Didn't even give Vince a chance to counter offer
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2013 22:10:25 GMT -5
I now really wished that Savage came back in 98 as Vince's hired gun to take out Austin. He had some great brawls with DDP and I think him and Austin could have had some great ones.
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Post by James Fabiano on Sept 24, 2013 1:43:26 GMT -5
There's also rumors that Vince was mad because they lost the Slim Jim endorsement to WCW when Savage left. But didn't they have Bam Bam do the Slim Jim commercials at the same time? But truth be told, OP is right...and Vince owuld probably care more about someone jumping to WCW than having their way with his daughter.
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Post by The Dark Order Inferno on Sept 24, 2013 8:07:14 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the heat is something blown out of all proportions by internet fans. I doubt Savage was ever persona non grata, but in order to make the most money from Savage, they would have to persuade him to play ball and he just wasn't interested. He made a lot of money and didn't lose it through divorce after divorce and he had a life and work outside of wrestling, voice acting and a few movie roles, plus injuries had caught up on him. On top of that, he hated Hulk Hogan with a passion and wouldn't be in the same company as him.
What was Vince to do, really? Produce a DVD set without Savage's involvement featuring people he hated giving interviews about him because a lot of his friends are either dead or on the outs with the WWE? It would pretty much guarantee a guy as temperamental as Savage would never return. If there was heat to the extent people claim, Savage would have been #3 in line for a burial DVD or at least subjected to a lot more on air jabs than he was, as Warrior, Bret, Jarrett, Lesnar and others know, Vince can be that petty. The WWE seemed content to wait to let Savage begin to mellow with age and become more open to working with them, which he'd showed signs of just before his tragic death.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2013 8:46:38 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the heat is something blown out of all proportions by internet fans. I doubt Savage was ever persona non grata, but in order to make the most money from Savage, they would have to persuade him to play ball and he just wasn't interested. He made a lot of money and didn't lose it through divorce after divorce and he had a life and work outside of wrestling, voice acting and a few movie roles, plus injuries had caught up on him. On top of that, he hated Hulk Hogan with a passion and wouldn't be in the same company as him. I think that this has to be a HUGE part of it. From what I understand, it wasn't all on Vince, and allegedly, Savage was also notoriously stubborn.
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Post by Dave the Dave on Sept 24, 2013 8:59:46 GMT -5
To think, f***ing Steph was once something to be blackballed for. Now it let's you run the company.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Sept 24, 2013 11:42:41 GMT -5
On Steph, a few wrestlers have said that Savage and her were always on friendly terms. At the same, guys like Nash and X-Pac who were always close to Vince,Shane, and Steph even before her and Trips started dating have said that that's not true.
I'm gonna go by a new theory; he blackballed Savage to appease Hogan. Hulk and Savage have always had a love/hate relationship but ever since 1998 it's been mostly hate. I could see Vince doing what he could to keep Hulk happy and that pissing Randy off.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 24, 2013 16:26:05 GMT -5
I think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, BUT...
Okay, let's look at this:
1. Vince gave Savage a very sincere goodbye on national TV. Guys who jumped out of the blue don't get those kind of send-offs. Neither do those who leave on bad terms.
2. As pointed out, the Slim Jim deal didn't transfer with Savage in the jump; WWF retained it.
3. Nash says he convinced Savage to reclaim the Slim Jim deal on his own.
There. Right there I think is where things went to hell. The rest of the guys who bolted? Just wrestlers. Randy "stole" a sponsor. That was business. Entirely new playing field there. Whatever he felt at the loss of his friend (and McMahon has admitted in interviews the two were almost brotherly), he wasn't dealing with him as a wrestler anymore, as one of the carnies; Savage was a *business* threat to him now.
So yeah, I'm kinda starting to think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, just a different variation on it.
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Post by Mozenrath on Sept 24, 2013 16:28:17 GMT -5
I think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, BUT... Okay, let's look at this: 1. Vince gave Savage a very sincere goodbye on national TV. Guys who jumped out of the blue don't get those kind of send-offs. Neither do those who leave on bad terms. 2. As pointed out, the Slim Jim deal didn't transfer with Savage in the jump; WWF retained it. 3. Nash says he convinced Savage to reclaim the Slim Jim deal on his own. There. Right there I think is where things went to hell. The rest of the guys who bolted? Just wrestlers. Randy "stole" a sponsor. That was business. Entirely new playing field there. Whatever he felt at the loss of his friend (and McMahon has admitted in interviews the two were almost brotherly), he wasn't dealing with him as a wrestler anymore, as one of the carnies; Savage was a *business* threat to him now. So yeah, I'm kinda starting to think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, just a different variation on it. That does explain a lot more than most of the theories do.
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Post by Throwback on Sept 24, 2013 16:47:47 GMT -5
I think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, BUT... Okay, let's look at this: 1. Vince gave Savage a very sincere goodbye on national TV. Guys who jumped out of the blue don't get those kind of send-offs. Neither do those who leave on bad terms. 2. As pointed out, the Slim Jim deal didn't transfer with Savage in the jump; WWF retained it. 3. Nash says he convinced Savage to reclaim the Slim Jim deal on his own. There. Right there I think is where things went to hell. The rest of the guys who bolted? Just wrestlers. Randy "stole" a sponsor. That was business. Entirely new playing field there. Whatever he felt at the loss of his friend (and McMahon has admitted in interviews the two were almost brotherly), he wasn't dealing with him as a wrestler anymore, as one of the carnies; Savage was a *business* threat to him now. So yeah, I'm kinda starting to think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, just a different variation on it. Very good point. But remember, Vince is the guy who hired Eric Bischoff. That's what makes it so weird.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Sept 24, 2013 16:52:49 GMT -5
I think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, BUT... Okay, let's look at this: 1. Vince gave Savage a very sincere goodbye on national TV. Guys who jumped out of the blue don't get those kind of send-offs. Neither do those who leave on bad terms. 2. As pointed out, the Slim Jim deal didn't transfer with Savage in the jump; WWF retained it. 3. Nash says he convinced Savage to reclaim the Slim Jim deal on his own. There. Right there I think is where things went to hell. The rest of the guys who bolted? Just wrestlers. Randy "stole" a sponsor. That was business. Entirely new playing field there. Whatever he felt at the loss of his friend (and McMahon has admitted in interviews the two were almost brotherly), he wasn't dealing with him as a wrestler anymore, as one of the carnies; Savage was a *business* threat to him now. So yeah, I'm kinda starting to think it *was* the Slim Jim deal, just a different variation on it. Very good point. But remember, Vince is the guy who hired Eric Bischoff. That's what makes it so weird. Not really. I don't think any of that discounts the notion that's been brought forth before of both of them being stubborn; they may very well have been able to patch things up earlier, but neither ever tried, waiting for the other to cave. And since Randy didn't *need* Vince, and vice versa, neither did, so the animosity just continued to linger.
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Post by Todd Pettengill on Sept 24, 2013 20:26:37 GMT -5
Very good point. But remember, Vince is the guy who hired Eric Bischoff. That's what makes it so weird. Not really. I don't think any of that discounts the notion that's been brought forth before of both of them being stubborn; they may very well have been able to patch things up earlier, but neither ever tried, waiting for the other to cave. And since Randy didn't *need* Vince, and vice versa, neither did, so the animosity just continued to linger. Additionally, there was only competitive business beef between Vince & Bisch. Vince was never on a personal level with Bischoff prior to hiring him.
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Post by Chairman of the Board on Nov 27, 2013 18:18:29 GMT -5
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Post by molson5 on Nov 27, 2013 23:46:56 GMT -5
After reading this article about Randy Savage's last few years, and days, it all kind of made sense to me. Savage was just something of an eccentric loner post-wrestling. It isn't surprising AT ALL that he stayed away from the WWE when so many of his close friends didn't see him for years. The assumption always was that he was "blackballed", but I tend to think it was all on Savage's end. He didn't need the money, he was a proud guy, he was eccentric, if he decided he wasn't going to work for the WWE, he wasn't going to work for the WWE, and that's the end of that. bleacherreport.com/articles/1643969-the-final-days-of-randy-macho-man-savage
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 28, 2013 0:09:30 GMT -5
So, what's the root source of the Randy Savage/Stephanie rumor, anyways? Did is seemingly come out of thin air or did somebody in the business say it?
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Post by Glitch on Nov 28, 2013 0:12:24 GMT -5
So, what's the root source of the Randy Savage/Stephanie rumor, anyways? Did is seemingly come out of thin air or did somebody in the business say it? I think somebody here on FAN just completely made it up, and it surfaces now and then as if it's fact.
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Post by Amazing Kitsune on Nov 28, 2013 0:26:47 GMT -5
So, what's the root source of the Randy Savage/Stephanie rumor, anyways? Did is seemingly come out of thin air or did somebody in the business say it? I think somebody here on FAN just completely made it up, and it surfaces now and then as if it's fact. It's older than that. I'd say I've heard it for at least 7-8 years.
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