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Post by Red Impact on Oct 16, 2013 15:07:50 GMT -5
If it was just the picture, it'd be one thing. When you add "What's your excuse?" onto it, it definitely comes off badly.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 15:21:20 GMT -5
Negative comments about a FB pic?
So this is what counts as news these days?
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Post by Wolf Hawkfield no1 NZ poster on Oct 16, 2013 15:59:49 GMT -5
Have people really gotten this worked up over a stupid facebook photo that is over a year old.
Yes the women in question does give off an annoying wanker vibe but really some people just need to get a freaking life.
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Post by wallabylikeyou on Oct 16, 2013 16:10:16 GMT -5
I mean...yeah, I don't agree with what she said. Not a good attitude. But come on. Life's too short. I'll forget about this tomorrow, so why get so worked up about it today? Why does the damn internet have to make me have an opinion about everything?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 16:10:30 GMT -5
I have no problem with this, I mean if a dude that was ripped posted a similar picture I wouldn't get upset about it and think that he was being a douche. I think that it says more about the people that are complaining about it than it does about the woman in the picture. I do agree that there is a body image problem in America but this is harmless.
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Post by Koda, Master Crunchyroller on Oct 16, 2013 16:19:43 GMT -5
If it was just the picture, it'd be one thing. When you add "What's your excuse?" onto it, it definitely comes off badly. Pretty much my take on this. The pic itself is fine. Adding that line changes it up.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 16:27:39 GMT -5
Isn't this story like a year old?
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 16, 2013 16:57:29 GMT -5
I'm not surprised on this forum full of men who probably only take a boner away from this that there seems to be no real sense that she's being a douchebag. It would be like a guy saying "I'm a millionaire at 35, what's your excuse you worthless motherf***er". She has so much to be thankful for yet all she can think to do is try to make people feel guilty or bad about themselves. I don't think it's fair for you to assume guys are OK with this just because it's a women saying this. Guys are constantly bombarded with fitness commercials with guys working out telling you what's stopping you from looking like a male model. And guess what? I'm not offended by that either. And your example you provided was a poor one. Since you didn't provide how that person became rich Did they win the lottery? Was it a pure inheritance? or did they started from the bottom and through pure determination and hard work became a millionaire? Because if the last guy told me hey anything is possible if you put in the work, I don't see why one should be offended. If it's one of the first two than it's a terrible analogy since this women didn't get her fitness by luck. All I personally see from this poster is a women who is proud of her hard work and determination to be fit, and asking why can't you find 10-20 minutes to work on your health. I don't see it as anything different then when an entrepreneur comes into my class and tells the class that everybody can be him through hard work and determination.
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 16, 2013 17:03:10 GMT -5
I'm not surprised on this forum full of men who probably only take a boner away from this that there seems to be no real sense that she's being a douchebag. It would be like a guy saying "I'm a millionaire at 35, what's your excuse you worthless motherf***er". She has so much to be thankful for yet all she can think to do is try to make people feel guilty or bad about themselves. I don't think it's fair for you to assume guys are OK with this just because it's a women saying this. Guys are constantly bombarded with fitness commercials with guys working out telling you what's stopping you from looking like a male model. And guess what? I'm not offended by that either. And your example you provided was a poor one. Since you didn't provide how that person became rich Did they win the lottery? Was it a pure inheritance? or did they started from the bottom and through pure determination and hard work became a millionaire? Because if the last guy told me hey anything is possible if you put in the work, I don't see why one should be offended. If it's one of the first two than it's a terrible analogy since this women didn't get her fitness by luck. All I personally see from this poster is a women who is proud of her hard work and determination to be fit, and asking why can't you find 10-20 minutes to work on your health. I don't see it as anything different then when an entrepreneur comes into my class and tells the class that everybody can be him through hard work and determination. Notice that in the middle is a url directing her to her website where she's selling a fitness program. This is marketing and I see it as a two step plan: 1. Make women feel bad about themselves. 2. Make women give you money. I don't see this haivng anything to do with someone being proud of herself. I see it as someone who is narcissistic trying to be manipulative and play on women's insecurities for personal gain. I think that's mean and wrong, but I know not everyone does.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 16, 2013 17:08:09 GMT -5
Alternatively, show the "AFTER" results that you have achieved. Make $ from people also wanting to achieve those results.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Oct 16, 2013 17:15:43 GMT -5
Saying what's "What's Your Exceuse" doesn't make her a douche. To me, that sounds way more like lazy slob shaming than fat-shaming. And there's a large difference. As someone who is not fat, but a bit husky I take no offense and think the complainers need to grow up. There's way more blatant fat-shaming examples out there, like that anchor lady who got bombarded by some arrogant fitness jerk. Said jerk even unashamedly appeared in camera and admitted it proudly.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 16, 2013 17:24:57 GMT -5
I don't think it's fair for you to assume guys are OK with this just because it's a women saying this. Guys are constantly bombarded with fitness commercials with guys working out telling you what's stopping you from looking like a male model. And guess what? I'm not offended by that either. And your example you provided was a poor one. Since you didn't provide how that person became rich Did they win the lottery? Was it a pure inheritance? or did they started from the bottom and through pure determination and hard work became a millionaire? Because if the last guy told me hey anything is possible if you put in the work, I don't see why one should be offended. If it's one of the first two than it's a terrible analogy since this women didn't get her fitness by luck. All I personally see from this poster is a women who is proud of her hard work and determination to be fit, and asking why can't you find 10-20 minutes to work on your health. I don't see it as anything different then when an entrepreneur comes into my class and tells the class that everybody can be him through hard work and determination. Notice that in the middle is a url directing her to her website where she's selling a fitness program. This is marketing and I see it as a two step plan: 1. Make women feel bad about themselves. 2. Make women give you money. I don't see this haivng anything to do with someone being proud of herself. I see it as someone who is narcissistic trying to be manipulative and play on women's insecurities for personal gain. I think that's mean and wrong, but I know not everyone does. Are all self-improvement products offensive then? Is a book trying to teach you more about how to take care of an infant naturally offensive because it plays on the insecurities of adults fearing they will do a bad job as a parent? Is what the publisher did in this case a douche for exploiting peoples's insecurities and make money off of it?
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 16, 2013 17:29:59 GMT -5
Notice that in the middle is a url directing her to her website where she's selling a fitness program. This is marketing and I see it as a two step plan: 1. Make women feel bad about themselves. 2. Make women give you money. I don't see this haivng anything to do with someone being proud of herself. I see it as someone who is narcissistic trying to be manipulative and play on women's insecurities for personal gain. I think that's mean and wrong, but I know not everyone does. Are all self-improvement products offensive then? Is a book trying to teach you more about how to take care of an infant naturally offensive because it plays on the insecurities of adults fearing they will do a bad job as a parent? Is what the publisher did in this case a douche for exploiting peoples's insecurities and make money off of it? If DDP's plan revolved around holding himself up as a model of perfection I would criticize him for being narcissistic. DDP seems to be a lot more about trying to get you to a place that's better than where you are with positive messages rather than the negativity on display here. I actually am critical of most self improvement type deals especially ones that revolve around being critical of people because to my understanding long term results suggest that the only improvement is to the vendors' bank account. And this whole thing reeks of Randian bootstrappyness uberfemme ookyness to me.
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Post by Bo Rida on Oct 16, 2013 17:39:13 GMT -5
Notice that in the middle is a url directing her to her website where she's selling a fitness program. This is marketing and I see it as a two step plan: 1. Make women feel bad about themselves. 2. Make women give you money. I don't see this haivng anything to do with someone being proud of herself. I see it as someone who is narcissistic trying to be manipulative and play on women's insecurities for personal gain. I think that's mean and wrong, but I know not everyone does. Are all self-improvement products offensive then? Is a book trying to teach you more about how to take care of an infant naturally offensive because it plays on the insecurities of adults fearing they will do a bad job as a parent? Is what the publisher did in this case a douche for exploiting peoples's insecurities and make money off of it? Oh come on marketing campaigns have been targeting women in that way for years, hell there was a study done recently that recommends brands "concentrate media during prime vulnerability moments" and have helpfully identified at what times the the average women is at her lowest so they can sell shit to her. www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/is-this-the-grossest-advertising-strategy-of-all-time/280242/This may not go as far but it's based on the same principles, it clearly has a marketing purpose and isn't just somebody innocently putting up a photo. It's not about what she or anybody else is selling, there's nothing inherently wrong with fitness regimes or parenting books, like any product it's about how they market it.
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Post by kidglov3s on Oct 16, 2013 17:39:44 GMT -5
Yeah I don't think that's good.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Oct 16, 2013 17:41:10 GMT -5
I'm not surprised on this forum full of men who probably only take a boner away from this that there seems to be no real sense that she's being a douchebag. It would be like a guy saying "I'm a millionaire at 35, what's your excuse you worthless motherf***er". She has so much to be thankful for yet all she can think to do is try to make people feel guilty or bad about themselves. Yeah, if she did havent' the "What's your excuse" line I could maybe side with her... if she phrased it in a more positive way I could give her the benefit of the doubt, like "It's not impossible, you can do it too" or some such. but the phrasing sounds like she's looking down on everyone else.
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Post by Mac on Oct 16, 2013 17:41:19 GMT -5
She looks terrific, good for her. Se should be proud I'm sure she works hard at it the same way a lot of women strive to be good at their profession. But here's the slight issue I have with it, it IS her profession. Most women don't have a fitness career. Secondly, usually when I see posters with the "what's your excuse?" Tag it shows someone with a disability climbing a mountain, or a 76 year old man finishing a marathon. Or someone with a mental handicap running a small business. I don't think "I got fat when I was pregnant and mow I'm in great shape". Fits in the same criteria. Good for her though, I have nothing against someone promoting anything that can lead to a healthier lifestyle.
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Post by thetower52 on Oct 16, 2013 17:43:27 GMT -5
Don't get why anyone thinks this is bad. She's proud of being in shape
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Post by Piccolo on Oct 16, 2013 18:00:02 GMT -5
Meh. There are people who aren't offended by a statement of friendly competition, and there are others who don't think anyone has any business poking their nose into their business. It's just different types of people, I think. I would guess that this gal is an athlete and is used to being challenged by her friends and challenging them in return, and she said this in that spirit.
So I don't think she meant it unkindly, and it was probably never meant for consumption by anyone but friends of hers who would understand her tone.
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Post by cahuette on Oct 16, 2013 18:07:43 GMT -5
Does she know the "let them have cake" story? Someone should tell it to her.
Though she might not get it and say "But they'll get BIGGER" and then she'll laugh remembering her terrible pun from her "apology".
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