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Post by Raskovnik on Oct 16, 2013 18:09:59 GMT -5
Now we're fit-shaming!
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 16, 2013 18:10:10 GMT -5
The question that remains unstated from all this for me is: why is 'improvement of the self' something that is socially, culturally, and popularly desired anyway, given that notions of fat shaming and physical fitness are a part of the same apparatus to regulate and normalize certain kinds of behaivour (against other forms of behaviour that are deemed 'wrong', 'improper', 'unhealthy', 'immoral', and so forth)?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 18:14:18 GMT -5
Just an aside, but I love that we live in a World that there can be "fat shaming" like being overweight is super okay otherwise.
Not to say that everyone is not susceptible to padding on a few here and there, just saying thst if you're like 5'2 329, you're not morbidly obese, you're merely being shamed into thinking you might be too heavy by a society that cannot accept that your moobs are dead sexy.
Fat is fat. That's not to say the attitude that leads chicks to try and weigh thirty-five pounds is appropriate, but neither is the one that makes you think it's okay that you struggle traversing conventional archways.
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Post by Mozenrath on Oct 16, 2013 18:19:43 GMT -5
I somehow read this as "fat shaming with a lobster".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2013 18:22:27 GMT -5
Firstly, putting all your self worth in your physical appearance is plain stupid. You are going to get old and ugly. Everyone does. Seems the harder people try to fight ageing, the worse they end up looking.
But she is right. She worked hard and is in great shape, and should be proud of that while raising her kids.
If it makes you feel bad to see it, Maybe, you should stop lying to yourself and start cutting back on the snacks. Maybe go outside?
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Post by Andrew is Good on Oct 16, 2013 18:22:41 GMT -5
It is interesting.
It was probably easier for her to take off the weight, simply because she was likely in good shape before she got pregnant, and everything just fell back into place. That's what normally happens with before and after photos for weight loss commercials. They take injured/pregnant athletes who put on weight due to their injury/pregnancy and once they get back into their normal habits, the weight just falls off them.
So instead of going, "I'm a Freebird, what's your excuse" she could have tried to be more motivational. And I just read some of the first page comments, I generally work 70 hours a week and always make sure to hit the gym for at least an hour a day, though Mondays are usually my off day.
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Post by Heartbreaker on Oct 16, 2013 18:24:00 GMT -5
I bet she's probably one of those mothers who forces the father or someone else look after the kids...
I think the moral of this story is that you shouldn't act like a *insert C word* to people.
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Post by Chip on Oct 16, 2013 18:28:44 GMT -5
....... I'm just bothered that she decided to put on some really small shorts and a bra to pose with her children.
"Come here boys, Mummy needs to take a half-naked photo to show off my toned stomach on the internet but I need you in the picture as well as evidence"
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 16, 2013 18:31:09 GMT -5
Are all self-improvement products offensive then? Is a book trying to teach you more about how to take care of an infant naturally offensive because it plays on the insecurities of adults fearing they will do a bad job as a parent? Is what the publisher did in this case a douche for exploiting peoples's insecurities and make money off of it? Oh come on marketing campaigns have been targeting women in that way for years, hell there was a study done recently that recommends brands "concentrate media during prime vulnerability moments" and have helpfully identified at what times the the average women is at her lowest so they can sell shit to her. www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/is-this-the-grossest-advertising-strategy-of-all-time/280242/This may not go as far but it's based on the same principles, it clearly has a marketing purpose and isn't just somebody innocently putting up a photo. It's not about what she or anybody else is selling, there's nothing inherently wrong with fitness regimes or parenting books, like any product it's about how they market it. That's a mighty fine article but really doesn't relate much here. It's not like this poster was E-mail to female customers at certain time intervals were she will be most vulnerable. It was something on her personal FB page that she posted. We will just agree to disagree on your last point. I don't see much of exploration you do. Not sure any amount of good back and forth arguing will lead to one of us changing our minds.
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Post by Sparkybob on Oct 16, 2013 18:34:47 GMT -5
I somehow read this as "fat shaming with a lobster". Better lose those pounds before I f*** yer girlfriend fella.
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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Oct 16, 2013 18:52:10 GMT -5
The question that remains unstated from all this for me is: why is 'improvement of the self' something that is socially, culturally, and popularly desired anyway, given that notions of fat shaming and physical fitness are a part of the same apparatus to regulate and normalize certain kinds of behaivour (against other forms of behaviour that are deemed 'wrong', 'improper', 'unhealthy', 'immoral', and so forth)? Just an aside, but I love that we live in a World that there can be "fat shaming" like being overweight is super okay otherwise. Not to say that everyone is not susceptible to padding on a few here and there, just saying thst if you're like 5'2 329, you're not morbidly obese, you're merely being shamed into thinking you might be too heavy by a society that cannot accept that your moobs are dead sexy. Fat is fat. That's not to say the attitude that leads chicks to try and weigh thirty-five pounds is appropriate, but neither is the one that makes you think it's okay that you struggle traversing conventional archways. Impressive.
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Post by Toxik916 on Oct 16, 2013 19:01:03 GMT -5
Just saw she posted this on Facebook. This is gonna piss off her detractors and rile up her supporters.
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Post by Sektor on Oct 16, 2013 19:24:03 GMT -5
I'm more offended by the people in this thread making assumptions about this woman so they can call her a terrible person than I am the actual picture.
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Post by J is Justice on Oct 16, 2013 19:28:36 GMT -5
She's had three kids and has managed to get back in shape. "What's your excuse," is for the lazy arses who just can't be bothered.
Nothing wrong with this photo at all.
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Post by FinalGwen on Oct 16, 2013 19:28:42 GMT -5
At the very least, can we all agree that faux-apologies that end up apologising for nothing and just give a framework to insult people further are inherently awful?
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Post by agent817 on Oct 16, 2013 19:31:08 GMT -5
....... I'm just bothered that she decided to put on some really small shorts and a bra to pose with her children. "Come here boys, Mummy needs to take a half-naked photo to show off my toned stomach on the internet but I need you in the picture as well as evidence" I will be honest, I am actually a follower of her on Facebook. Of course, I understand some of these fitness instructors trying to help people. I follow a lot of these fitness women on FB, mostly because I think they're very nice to look at but I also understand their cause. However, regarding what you said about that photo, I actually remember seeing a Facebook post where she mentioned that one of her kids was surprised to see her wearing something other than fitness gear, and that also means wearing a sports bra around the house. I work out. I walk and run a lot. I also lift weights. I have gained some muscle for months now, but I still have a gut. I can be in better shape, but I notice some muscular types at the gym who still have a gut. Not all muscular types look like fitness models with a flat stomach. Anyway, I get that some fitness trainers have this whole "No Excuses" philosophy and I even notice those inspirational memes or quotes people post on FB. However, some of them come off as somewhat harsh. Yes, I am well aware that some people make up excuses to avoid exercising, but I can just imagine if someone to push someone to work out if that person has a fever of 101 degrees or has a sore body part, like exercising is worth risking injury.
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Post by Romeo Hotel on Oct 16, 2013 19:34:52 GMT -5
I don't see the big deal.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 16, 2013 19:36:10 GMT -5
I somehow read this as "fat shaming with a lobster". It's only offensive when they bring the melted butter into it. Now I really want some Red Lobster and their awesome cheddar biscuits. Sadly the closest one is an hour away.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Oct 16, 2013 19:37:43 GMT -5
I bet she's probably one of those mothers who forces the father or someone else look after the kids... I think the moral of this story is that you shouldn't act like a *insert C word* to people. How can you possibly base that on anything from that one picture though? Maybe she is, maybe she ain't; but isn't making that sort of assumption just as wrong as what she's supposedly doing?
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Post by HMARK Center on Oct 16, 2013 19:44:02 GMT -5
I think more people would grasp why a lot of people get angry at this if they see it from the perspective of women who've had kids.
Here's the simple truth: asking "what's your excuse?" implies there's something wrong with you. That you're too lazy/self-loathing/uncaring to improve yourself into the heteronormative view of what a woman should look like, and that this woman is holding herself up as an example of there not being any "excuse" for it.
As said before, women have heard this again...and again...and again for eons, ever since mass marketing was invented. The concept behind it is that something is wrong with the targeted audience, and that whatever product is being peddled is the solution. And make no mistake: this woman IS peddling a product, it's why her images include links to her website.
You know what the "excuse" is? Jobs. Long hours. Lack of affordable gyms nearby. Lack of transportation to open spaces that allow for greater, safer exercise spaces. Lack of a place to live where you can exercise indoors (trust me, I've tried working out in an apartment, the neighbors greatly resent it).
It's one thing to say "you can get pregnant and still have a fit body!" or something like that. Some women out there would love to see how to do that. Wonderful.
This image, however, is part of a larger societal/advertising trend that focuses on effectively shaming you into buying a product, with the focus being on feeling ashamed of your body.
I've spent a number of years getting into better shape. I've still got a bit of a belly, but I've had marked improvement...yet I STILL suffer from a negative body image that I very often can't fight away. Stop trying to say I'm "making excuses" if I don't get into tip-top condition. It's collectivist BS about the potential of the uberman/uberwoman, leaving no room for people to simply feel comfortable in their own bodies.
Also, plain and simple: you don't get people to change by shaming them. Systemically, it simply does not work.
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