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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2013 6:33:15 GMT -5
Honestly, Shawn deserved none of the success he's garnered. He was never anything special as a wrestler, to me, and his reputation leaves a lot to be desired. He's anything but a class act.
I think the WWF/E would be better off without him.
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Post by kingoftheindies on Dec 18, 2013 8:10:18 GMT -5
Ok, now I'm confused... I've heard Hogan say that the plan was for Hogan to go over at SummerSlam, and then HBK to get his win back, and then for there to be build to a third blowoff match but he pulled out because of something HBK did. Why didn't the program continue? Reading between the lines and finding middle ground from both sides, Hulk wanted Shawn to be the heel he was in DX, and when Shawn finally agreed, Hulk got mad about how he acted.
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Post by Baldobomb-22-OH-MAN!!! on Dec 18, 2013 9:37:31 GMT -5
Undeserved egos? I can name many. HBK had a deserved ego as he arguably carried the company on his back through 96/97. NOW... If you were to ask me "Name one other main eventer who had a shittier attitude behind the scenes and sabotaged more careers through said driven ego"... I think you would have stumped me. But at least HBK has countlessly acknowledged that he was a terrible person to work with back then. So... you know. At least he's honest about that. I think it was more a comment on the fact that Shawn was a bust as a main eventer in the '90s but had an ego on-par with Hogan. that is what I was implying. thank you for clarifying it.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2013 10:27:46 GMT -5
but he certainly wasn't drawing in new fans. But um... How do you explain me? :/ Guys, by saying he carried the company I don't mean it as "he carried the bad wrestler to a good match". I meant it as, like, ahem... HBK was 'The Face of the WWF' in 1996. And personally I believe he did a damn good job at that. That's all I was saying. Everyone's entitled to their opinions. As much as I love Miz and his WWE title reign he didn't set the world on fire in terms of making money for the company. Shawn was exactly the same - a big portion of the fanbase rejected him as the face of WWF and contributed to the massive downturn in business in 1996.
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Post by The Ichi on Dec 18, 2013 10:34:47 GMT -5
Honestly, with the exception of Shane Helms and Hogan, all of these interviews are referring to incidents in the 90s that Shawn himself probably wouldn't deny (exaggerate maybe, but not deny).
Yeah, Shawn was a prick. This hasn't been news in years. No startling revelations to be seen in this video, folks.
And Shane Helms calling HBK the biggest druggie in wrestling? Uh, that would probably be your buddy Jeff who could be on par with John Cena right now if he didn't snort his career away.
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 18, 2013 11:34:52 GMT -5
Here's the worst of the damage caused by Shawn Michaels's push down our throats during the 90s: had McMahon not backed Michaels to the extent of essentially dumping Bret Hart, at least one person, and quite possibly five people, might still be alive today; and Bret himself would be far healthier.
For all the reports of Shawn Michaels having found God, he still has a tremendous amount to answer for. Religion has often been the last bulwark of the narcissist.
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Post by Wolfman Rose on Dec 18, 2013 11:54:04 GMT -5
Here's the worst of the damage caused by Shawn Michaels's push down our throats during the 90s: had McMahon not backed Michaels to the extent of essentially dumping Bret Hart, at least one person, and quite possibly five people, might still be alive today; and Bret himself would be far healthier. For all the reports of Shawn Michaels having found God, he still has a tremendous amount to answer for. Religion has often been the last bulwark of the narcissist. That is utterly ridiculous hyperbole. It can work both ways too, proving it further BS. How about "If Bret didn't throw a tantrum about losing the belt to HBK, at least one person, and quite possibly five people, might still be alive today; and Bret himself would be far healthier." See, makes no sense.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Dec 18, 2013 11:57:25 GMT -5
And Shane Helms calling HBK the biggest druggie in wrestling? Uh, that would probably be your buddy Jeff who could be on par with John Cena right now if he didn't snort his career away. I can't comment on Shawn's use of drugs before matches, but there's a reason Shawn is called the showstopper and Jeff Hardy actually stopped a show.
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Post by mizerable on Dec 18, 2013 13:02:12 GMT -5
I swear, some of you act like Shawn should spend the rest of his life begging people to forgive him for things that happened 20 years ago. And even then, you'd still act repulsive towards him.
And Bret Hart would be healthier? What the hell? Shawn has nothing to do with how Bret lives his life. That is one of the most ridiculous things I have ever heard. That's like saying, if I didn't have problems with my boss at my first job, I wouldn't have gotten injured in an unfortunate accident that happened 18 months later. Yup...my first boss is to blame for that one.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2013 13:47:34 GMT -5
Here's the worst of the damage caused by Shawn Michaels's push down our throats during the 90s: had McMahon not backed Michaels to the extent of essentially dumping Bret Hart, at least one person, and quite possibly five people, might still be alive today; and Bret himself would be far healthier. For all the reports of Shawn Michaels having found God, he still has a tremendous amount to answer for. Religion has often been the last bulwark of the narcissist. At a pinch I could see Bret staying with WWF therefore not having his career ended by Goldberg, and maybe Owen never becoming the Blue Blazer. Can you clarify the rest?
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Post by Seth Drakin of Monster Crap on Dec 18, 2013 13:55:49 GMT -5
Shawn Michaels knows that he will never be able to answer for everything, but he has been able to live his life for the better and has accepted that he made the mistakes in the past.
That is the best he can hope for these days.
And Hogan is a liar because while yes, Shawn was supposed to get his win back, but Hogan was so noncommittal to putting Shawn over that the program was scrapped.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 18, 2013 14:21:05 GMT -5
If you wanna mention the fact that HBK found God in context to his current attitude, that's fine. Let's try to keep it focused on that and not on Christianity itself or Christians as a whole.
Carryz on.
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Post by Ben Wyatt on Dec 18, 2013 15:26:00 GMT -5
I swear, some of you act like Shawn should spend the rest of his life begging people to forgive him for things that happened 20 years ago. And even then, you'd still act repulsive towards him. Seriously. He came out and admitted he was a total prick for a long time, and in most cases, apologized for his actions. What the hell more do people really want from him?
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 18, 2013 15:34:47 GMT -5
Five people would be alive if Vince hadn't pushed Shawn?
That's just a ridiculous leap in logic. Like tall building in single bound leap.
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Post by Stu on Dec 18, 2013 17:13:14 GMT -5
Here's the worst of the damage caused by Shawn Michaels's push down our throats during the 90s: had McMahon not backed Michaels to the extent of essentially dumping Bret Hart, at least one person, and quite possibly five people, might still be alive today; and Bret himself would be far healthier. For all the reports of Shawn Michaels having found God, he still has a tremendous amount to answer for. Religion has often been the last bulwark of the narcissist. At a pinch I could see Bret staying with WWF therefore not having his career ended by Goldberg, and maybe Owen never becoming the Blue Blazer. Can you clarify the rest? Uh, Davey Boy Smith wouldn't have followed Bret to WCW and injured his back on Warrior's trap door, putting him on painkillers .... that's all I got. Can't think of anyone beyond him and Owen.
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Post by angryfan on Dec 18, 2013 17:15:43 GMT -5
At a pinch I could see Bret staying with WWF therefore not having his career ended by Goldberg, and maybe Owen never becoming the Blue Blazer. Can you clarify the rest? Uh, Davey Boy Smith wouldn't have followed Bret to WCW and injured his back on Warrior's trap door, putting him on painkillers .... that's all I got. Can't think of anyone beyond him and Owen. Same. Did Bret going to WCW make Brian Pillman retroactively develop a genetic heart condition? Or Stu and Helen die of old age?
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Dec 18, 2013 17:44:55 GMT -5
At a pinch I could see Bret staying with WWF therefore not having his career ended by Goldberg, and maybe Owen never becoming the Blue Blazer. Can you clarify the rest? Uh, Davey Boy Smith wouldn't have followed Bret to WCW and injured his back on Warrior's trap door, putting him on painkillers .... that's all I got. Can't think of anyone beyond him and Owen. Considering Davey had problems before that, and his years of steroid abuse made his death almost inevitable, I think that's probably reaching more than a little.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 18, 2013 18:21:28 GMT -5
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Post by nisidhe on Dec 18, 2013 18:42:54 GMT -5
Here's the worst of the damage caused by Shawn Michaels's push down our throats during the 90s: had McMahon not backed Michaels to the extent of essentially dumping Bret Hart, at least one person, and quite possibly five people, might still be alive today; and Bret himself would be far healthier. For all the reports of Shawn Michaels having found God, he still has a tremendous amount to answer for. Religion has often been the last bulwark of the narcissist. At a pinch I could see Bret staying with WWF therefore not having his career ended by Goldberg, and maybe Owen never becoming the Blue Blazer. Can you clarify the rest? Kind of simply, actually: given the atmosphere at WCW, the Radicalz, still itching to leave, would have had both Bret and Owen getting the locker room behind getting them over to WWE, with possibly better terms than were given. With Benoit and Guerrero in WWF/E with both Bret and Owen, it is possible that interventions might have taken place to keep Guerrero away from the bottle and to keep Benoit from beating his own head in during every. blessed. match.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on Dec 18, 2013 18:46:36 GMT -5
At a pinch I could see Bret staying with WWF therefore not having his career ended by Goldberg, and maybe Owen never becoming the Blue Blazer. Can you clarify the rest? Kind of simply, actually: given the atmosphere at WCW, the Radicalz, still itching to leave, would have had both Bret and Owen getting the locker room behind getting them over to WWE, with possibly better terms than were given. With Benoit and Guerrero in WWF/E with both Bret and Owen, it is possible that interventions might have taken place to keep Guerrero away from the bottle and to keep Benoit from beating his own head in during every. blessed. match. This may be the biggest reach I've ever read in my life. Dean Malenko, Chris Benoit, and Chris Jericho were among Eddie's best friends. If they couldn't keep him sober, why in the hell would Bret and Owen Hart be able to?
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