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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 17:09:47 GMT -5
But those four could have been guys who were proven ratings draws or who surveyed well etc. We make a LOT of assumptions of Bryan's popularity based on crowd reaction alone Where else are we supposed to get it from? It starts with crowd reaction, and eventually that seeps over into ratings over time. You can't count on a guy instantly becoming a massive ratings draw because of their crowd reaction, it takes time. Unfortunately, they've cut off multiple guys at the knees with strong crowd reactions lately because of stupid bullshit, so it is what it is. There's very few guys who became massive draws overnight. Even Hogan wasn't a sudden draw. He was built up over the years and the trigger was pulled at just the right moment to make him a megastar. It's not yet certain if Bryan can be a draw up to Cena's level, but how do we even know? He hasn't been given that chance just yet. |
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Post by Some Guy on Jan 1, 2014 17:38:58 GMT -5
Where else are we supposed to get it from? It starts with crowd reaction, and eventually that seeps over into ratings over time. You can't count on a guy instantly becoming a massive ratings draw because of their crowd reaction, it takes time. Unfortunately, they've cut off multiple guys at the knees with strong crowd reactions lately because of stupid bullshit, so it is what it is. But there's more than just crowd reactions. If a guy doesn't do well in ratings or buys or consumer surveys or focus groups - they won't do much with him. There are many elements to decide whether or not you push someone and crowd reaction is just one. Arguably the least significant. Look at Cena. At least half of every arena in the world craps on him but they clearly look at the numbers and know that he pulls his weight in certain areas or at least has a track record of doing so. In the decision to determine who is over and who to run with, crowd reaction is just one consideration. If they've discovered Bryan is a bit of a ratings turn off or they feel ppv buys aren't there for him or the focus groups respond meekly to him - what are they going to do? Push him based on crowd reaction alone? Of course there not. In an area where probably the biggest money spinner in the company gets some of the worst reactions it's incredible how people still think the decision on who to push or run with should be made on those alone. How exactly do you think Cena got his start? He got big crowd reactions with the heel turn to a rapper, and the crowd reactions eventually turned into something bigger. It was a natural progression, and the same happened with guys like Stone Cold. They aren't letting anyone naturally go on to become the top guy anymore, look at how they cut Punk off at the legs in 2011 when he was getting big. I'm not sure where there is going with Bryan, but there seems to be a decent chance that Batista (or Orton, Brock, or Cena) walks out of Mania as champ after everything Bryan has done this year, which is an absolute joke. |
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on Jan 1, 2014 20:52:24 GMT -5
Mick Foley wasn't more popular in arenas than Steve Austin was, to the point where when Austin & Rock were scheduled to wrestle, people were chanting "Foley". That's the difference. The crowds want Daniel Bryan over WWE's chosen golden boys. And they're often hijacking segments to show that support and shitting on WWE's ham-fisted booking plans because they're not getting it. That said, I myself am reserving all judgment on WWE until we see where Bryan is going at WrestleMania. WWE will deserve the scorn and ridicule IF they don't finish the natural and logical progression of Bryan's arc and have him become champion at WrestleMania and triumph undisputedly over the corrupt regime. Anything else other than that will be undefendable. are you sure modern fans aren't just a bit more loudmouthed than they were back then? You could make the argument that there is more to protest today, and that it is necessary to shatter stubborn mindsets. Unlike the 90's, today's WWE has a total monopoly on the business and can and often does push personal preferences over the interests of fans, with the mindset being that its now a captive audience who'll eventually buckle and bend with enough pushing. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2014 21:06:49 GMT -5
Quite frankly there's only a few faces anyone gives a f*** about.
You've got Cena, who's got his 50/50 face/heel shit going that can only last for another couple years if even before he turns. (Remember when he was 70% face with the crowd? then 60%? now 50%? how long can it go on?)
You've got Punk, who said a couple years ago he was retiring sooner rather than later. He probably has a couple years left in him.
And Bryan.
So other than arguing about WHEN Bryan wins the title and holds it, there's not much else to it.
Unless 3 years from now they want to pretend Cena's a face with 20% cheers 80% boos. That's where he's heading. I'm starting to even hear kids booing him. They'll drag it out as long as possible, which is fine, but the meme "cena is not turning heel"? Flat out wrong.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Jan 1, 2014 21:11:55 GMT -5
This is a dumb question. People are worried because Bryan got given the belt twice for a combined total of under 24 hours and there is little indication he will get a proper reign.
If Bryan had never been close to the main event, or better yet had actually lost the title match, people would be less worried because WWE wouldn't have gone 'see this thing you want? You can have it. For five minutes. Now go f*** yourselves.'
The other thing is WWE is sort of known for loosening things over summer and then returning to status quo in January, so it seems unlikely Bryan will be seen as a Mania main eventer with the big name part timers hanging around.
People are worried about Bryan because if being the most over babyface in the company and the most over babyface there has been in years isn't enough to get the belt on you then what is? That even worked for Punk, but not for Bryan.
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Post by BigWill on Jan 1, 2014 21:14:11 GMT -5
are you sure modern fans aren't just a bit more loudmouthed than they were back then? You could make the argument that there is more to protest today, and that it is necessary to shatter stubborn mindsets. Unlike the 90's, today's WWE has a total monopoly on the business and can and often does push personal preferences over the interests of fans, with the mindset being that its now a captive audience who'll eventually buckle and bend with enough pushing. The WWE is like an abusive boyfriend in that way. "You ain't going to gonna leave me." "You gots nowhere else to go." |
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Post by ritt works hard fo da chickens on Jan 2, 2014 9:18:14 GMT -5
Where else are we supposed to get it from? It starts with crowd reaction, and eventually that seeps over into ratings over time. You can't count on a guy instantly becoming a massive ratings draw because of their crowd reaction, it takes time. Unfortunately, they've cut off multiple guys at the knees with strong crowd reactions lately because of stupid bullshit, so it is what it is. There's very few guys who became massive draws overnight. Even Hogan wasn't a sudden draw. He was built up over the years and the trigger was pulled at just the right moment to make him a megastar. It's not yet certain if Bryan can be a draw up to Cena's level, but how do we even know? He hasn't been given that chance just yet. I know it wasn't overnight, but Hogan turned face on January 7 1984 and was champion by January 23 1984. So it wasn't really that long of a wait to give the crowd what they wanted. Austin spouted 3:16 at KOTR in 96 then broke his neck and still was the top draw by Wrestlemania in 98 and was clearly on that path to be heading for the title by early fall of 98. The Rock started getting really getting the crowd parroting his catch phrases in early fall of '98, got kicked out of the nation in October and was champion by November. Those guys had clear paths. Although their storylines were sometimes complex their rise wasn't. It was Mania 28 that 18 seconds happened and made Bryan. The fans IN THE ROCKS HOMETOWN were chanting Daniel Bryan's catch phrase during the Rock's promo the next night after his Wrestlemania victory over John Cena. Since that moment Bryan hasn't really been burried but jesus have they failed to capitalize on that. And we are now going into Wrestlemania 30 and while it's still possible that Bryan will end up with the big Mania moment, you can't say it's clear he's headed there, it's just as believable he may end up in another multiman curtain jerk with Wyatt's/Shield/ other Authority proxies. And I don't for one minute of any day of the week believe there was ever any focus group in the history of human civilization that said they'd much prefer Sheamus, Del Rio and/or Orton. |
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Post by Heinz Doofenschmirtz on Jan 2, 2014 10:01:02 GMT -5
I have this crazy belief that Bryan is perfectly happy with how his career is going. He's hanging out at the top of the card, he's crazy respected, and he gets to do what he loves. Plus, I suspect his pay is pretty good as well.
Would I be happier to see him with the belt? Sure. But that's my selfishness. I have to content myself with getting to see him wrestle every week even if it's not where I'd put him on the card.
I always look at it like the film industry. Yeah, we all know that Steve Buscemi is a way better actor than Tom Cruise but Cruise opens pictures, Buscemi doesn't. The WWE doesn't see Bryan as a guy who opens but as an a talented supporting guy. He seems fine with it and I get to see him work his magic.
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