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Post by shaker on Dec 31, 2013 11:13:07 GMT -5
From casual fans to hardcore, long term wrestling fans, Daniel Bryan has caught on like nobody else in years.
And the simple fact is NOBODY seems to get people talking as much as him. Over the past few years, we've seen a lot of things happen to Bryan, from joining WWE as a contestant on NXT to his current place on the roster.
And throughout it all, there's seems to be this undercurrent of pessimism that runs online. From the day he was hired by WWE, there were comments like "He'll be misused and fired.". Everyone assumed the firing after the tie incident was the end. Everyone figured his losing streak before and while holding MitB would lead to him being fired. Everyone assumed he would lose the briefcase. 18 seconds would push him down the card. Hell No would be a goofy tag team and ruin him. The "weak link" storyline was to humble and bury him. Facing Cena would be a one-off PPV appearance and he'd lose.
And yet, he's come out on top every single time. Now we're getting comments like "They definitely don't see him as a top guy." and "This is just to feed another heel to Cena.".
What will it take for people to be optimistic? And why do so many people online automatically jump to the worst possible conclusion with Bryan? Not even Punk gets this kind of pessimism associated with him.
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Post by Hit Girl on Dec 31, 2013 11:18:15 GMT -5
Because the fans are familiar with WWE booking.
Here they have an everyman character who they can relate to, and they can see very clearly that WWE management is doing all they can to dilute and diffuse his momentum. It's a credit to Daniel Bryan's talents that he's still managed to hold onto fan support even through all the shitty, detrimental, and unhelpful booking that WWE have given him. As for coming out on top. He's succeeding in spite of WWE's booking, rather than because of it. This new Wyatt angle is just another example IMO. If WWE actually started booking guys like him in a manner which would help him rather than doing all they can to damage him, they would benefit too, but for some carny management reason, they don't. If they do, it seems reluctant.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 31, 2013 11:21:42 GMT -5
A true underdog character who can be entertaining in any role he's in and can also put on excellent matches nightly. Dude is everything a fan could want in a wrestler really, and people have embraced that.
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Post by sportatorium on Dec 31, 2013 11:27:21 GMT -5
A true underdog character who can be entertaining in any role he's in and can also put on excellent matches nightly. Dude is everything a fan could want in a wrestler really, and people have embraced that. ...and they seem to have decided that he can elevate heels, so they book him to do that rather than be their main event babyface.
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Post by shaker on Dec 31, 2013 11:30:30 GMT -5
Hit Girl - curious that you think WWE is trying to diffuse Bryan's momentum. What evidence points you towards this? He's been in high profile storylines for most of his WWE career, and has been a solid upper midcarder/main eventer since cashing in Money in the Bank. Bryan was the first guy to beat the Shield, which was HUGE. He's also beaten both Orton and Cena clean as a sheet, something I don't think anyone else on the active roster has done outside of MAYBE Kane. When was the last time he lost a match that wasn't due to interference or being outnumbered?
The storyline right now is exactly that the Authority doesn't want him as champ, but that's not reality in my opinion. I do think it's an excellent storyline because it taps into some of those fears and beliefs, though.
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Post by misconduct was wrong on Dec 31, 2013 11:34:13 GMT -5
He's a relatable underdog, who wrestles a solid underdog style, with an amazingly good crowd chant. Take away his chant and I don't think nearly as many people respond to him.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 31, 2013 11:39:44 GMT -5
The chant thing is sorta chicken-egg deal though; I would contend that Bryan got the chant over instead of vice versa.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 31, 2013 11:44:17 GMT -5
Because one or two people think that in order for him to "really be a star" then he has to appear in every single segment of Raw and immediately be given the meaningless prop belt, because they apparently both succumb easily to black-or-white thinking and don't know what being a successful wrestler really looks like. These people lead and prolong a lot of discussion about Bryan, which inflates the whole thing.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Dec 31, 2013 11:46:40 GMT -5
I think this thread needs to be retitled "Why are people still worried over Bryan?" or something like that. Already a few posters have misunderstood the point of this topic.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Dec 31, 2013 11:47:17 GMT -5
There seems to be almost a carrot and stick mentality here involving Daniel Bryan's booking. They'll give his extremely die hard fans moments here and there, like a promising NXT run with a perfect foil, the US title, MitB, a WHC run, and glimpses of main event stardom. But that will often be accompanied by booking that seems to almost be sabotage in nature, like losing streaks, go nowhere feuds, losing streaks again, 18 seconds, and being screwed by the Authority time and time again with no payoff in sight. Yet, his fanbase responds with more and more pushback, resulting in the guy getting even more over and over despite conventional logic saying it should go the other way.
Yes, there is a lot of pessimism with the current turn of events involving the Wyatt family, but I'd say it's what we are conditioned to expect at this point.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Dec 31, 2013 11:47:49 GMT -5
Because one or two people think that in order for him to "really be a star" then he has to appear in every single segment of Raw and immediately be given the meaningless prop belt, because they apparently both succumb easily to black-or-white thinking and don't know what being a successful wrestler really looks like. These people lead and prolong a lot of discussion about Bryan, which inflates the whole thing. Every segment? No. Standing tall at the end of the closing segment. Yes. Bryan doesn't need to be champion right now, but he deserved to have a decent length reign with it rather than two reigns that total less than 24 hours. I would've rather seen him win the title, walk out of Summerslam with it, and then get screwed out of it at the next PPV. What does a successful wrestler look like then?
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Post by Chestnutrice on Dec 31, 2013 11:48:33 GMT -5
He's a good wrestler, and everytime WWE tries to put him in something that sounds stupid he usuallty knocks it out of the park. He's pretty much what the commentators say is Cena's gimmick, an underdog. He's one of the few guys to react to wins and losses. Has a fun chant, some say it got him over, but I don't think that anyone else could've gotten it over to the point where it's louder then a guy cutting a promo.
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Post by Push R Truth on Dec 31, 2013 11:49:03 GMT -5
In this age of superstars created by "YOU'LL CHEER AND YOU'LL LIKE IT DAMMIT MORE CENA MORE ORTON", it's nice to see guys that at least have the illusion of getting over "on their own"
How he got over is up to debate, but there's this perception that he got over organically on his own and people like seeing that.
That's at least how I perceive it.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 31, 2013 11:56:41 GMT -5
Because one or two people think that in order for him to "really be a star" then he has to appear in every single segment of Raw and immediately be given the meaningless prop belt, because they apparently both succumb easily to black-or-white thinking and don't know what being a successful wrestler really looks like. These people lead and prolong a lot of discussion about Bryan, which inflates the whole thing. Every segment? No. Standing tall at the end of the closing segment. Yes. Bryan doesn't need to be champion right now, but he deserved to have a decent length reign with it rather than two reigns that total less than 24 hours. I would've rather seen him win the title, walk out of Summerslam with it, and then get screwed out of it at the next PPV. What does a successful wrestler look like then? Lots of TV time, period. In other words, a successful WWE wrestler is someone who's a real part of the show and has a real role to play.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Dec 31, 2013 12:02:19 GMT -5
Every segment? No. Standing tall at the end of the closing segment. Yes. Bryan doesn't need to be champion right now, but he deserved to have a decent length reign with it rather than two reigns that total less than 24 hours. I would've rather seen him win the title, walk out of Summerslam with it, and then get screwed out of it at the next PPV. What does a successful wrestler look like then? Lots of TV time, period. In other words, a successful WWE wrestler is someone who's a real part of the show and has a real role to play. If you wanted to be literal about it, I'd say it looks like Kofi Kingston. Unless you're portrayed as a Zack Ryder-esque loser, most wrestling laymen aren't gonna get hung up on the finer details as to a character's progression if they fall for someone enough.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on Dec 31, 2013 12:13:39 GMT -5
I think this thread needs to be retitled "Why are people still worried over Bryan?" or something like that. Already a few posters have misunderstood the point of this topic. I disagree. My answer in particular addresses both why fans like DB, and why there are concerns.
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Post by Andrew is Good on Dec 31, 2013 12:17:10 GMT -5
He's really good.
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Post by carp (SPC, Itoh Respect Army) on Dec 31, 2013 12:17:25 GMT -5
Lots of TV time, period. In other words, a successful WWE wrestler is someone who's a real part of the show and has a real role to play. If you wanted to be literal about it, I'd say it looks like Kofi Kingston. Unless you're portrayed as a Zack Ryder-esque loser, most wrestling laymen aren't gonna get hung up on the finer details as to a character's progression if they fall for someone enough. Well, I mean, this is the paradox of the modern WWE. They're a serial TV show, which means these stupid ideas of individual performaners "getting over" just don't and shouldn't apply. But they're trapped in the territory mindset, and their performers don't have a union and so they are actively made as expendable as humanly possible. So the REAL reason why people aren't satisfied with Bryan is because the entire way the system works makes no damn sense. There IS no way to succeed the way people imagine it.
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Post by shaker on Dec 31, 2013 12:18:27 GMT -5
I think this thread needs to be retitled "Why are people still worried over Bryan?" or something like that. Already a few posters have misunderstood the point of this topic. Done and done - excellent point.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 31, 2013 12:20:56 GMT -5
I think Daniel Bryan got more TV time the second half of this year than anyone else in the company.
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