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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 18, 2016 19:11:21 GMT -5
I think a lot of that problem stems from just how much money goes in to making these types of movies (and games) nowadays. I mean, Batman 1989 was made on a 48 million dollar budget and grossed 400 million. BvS's budget was five times bigger, but it only grossed twice the amount. When you look at it like that, it really does seem like a massive disappointment. Besides the bugger production budgets, the money spent on advertising now compared to 25 years ago is insane. John Carpenter said that back in the late-'80s and early-'90s the major studios rarely spent more than $10 million on advertising, and even that figure was reserved for the biggest of blockbusters. Nowadays the average movie has upwards of $50 million spent on advertising as standard, with the blockbusters getting as much as triple that. The campaign on BvS was stupid too. They showed you glimpses of like, goddamn everything in the movie. Did Doomsday need to be revealed in the trailers?
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Post by mcmahonfan85 on Jun 18, 2016 19:43:17 GMT -5
Doomsday didn't need to be in the movie period, especially if he's just a throwaway bad guy
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 18, 2016 21:17:24 GMT -5
Besides the bugger production budgets, the money spent on advertising now compared to 25 years ago is insane. John Carpenter said that back in the late-'80s and early-'90s the major studios rarely spent more than $10 million on advertising, and even that figure was reserved for the biggest of blockbusters. Nowadays the average movie has upwards of $50 million spent on advertising as standard, with the blockbusters getting as much as triple that. Wouldnt it be easier to just use Facebook, Twitter,Youtube to advertise? Cheaper as well Easier? Yes. Effective? Not really. Pretty much any movie that's tried to rely almost strictly on viral marketing has failed horribly.
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Post by Welfare Willis on Jun 18, 2016 21:26:13 GMT -5
Wouldnt it be easier to just use Facebook, Twitter,Youtube to advertise? Cheaper as well Easier? Yes. Effective? Not really. Pretty much any movie that's tried to rely almost strictly on viral marketing has failed horribly. Blair Witch is the only one I can think that was almost strictly viral being successful. Snakes on a Plane I remember having huge viral buzz and crashed big time.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 18, 2016 21:43:47 GMT -5
Easier? Yes. Effective? Not really. Pretty much any movie that's tried to rely almost strictly on viral marketing has failed horribly. Blair Witch is the only one I can think that was almost strictly viral being successful. Snakes on a Plane I remember having huge viral buzz and crashed big time. Even Blair Witch got more than just viral stuff. They even shot a couple of television specials to tie into it, like Curse of the Blair Witch, which was a faux documentary where they talked to "relatives" of the film crew and townsfolk, etc. That one aired on SciFi Channel and...something else, I think one of the networks, but possibly somewhere else. Lots of commercials for the film at the time, too. Some eps of MST3K I taped back then and still have, there's an ad for BW every single break throughout the entire two hours. The viral part wasn't limited to online though. They spent a good chunk of change making and posting fake "Have you seen me?" missing posters for the cast all over the place and heavily promoting it at Sundance.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 18, 2016 21:45:09 GMT -5
Blair Witch is the only one I can think that was almost strictly viral being successful. Snakes on a Plane I remember having huge viral buzz and crashed big time. Even Blair Witch got more than just viral stuff. They even shot a couple of television specials to tie into it, like Curse of the Blair Witch, which was a faux documentary where they talked to "relatives" of the film crew and townsfolk, etc. That one aired on SciFi Channel and...something else, I think one of the networks, but possibly somewhere else. Lots of commercials for the film at the time, too. Some eps of MST3K I taped back then and still have, there's an ad for BW every single break throughout the entire two hours. The viral part wasn't limited to online though. They spent a good chunk of change making and posting fake "Have you seen me?" missing posters for the cast all over the place and heavily promoting it at Sundance. Hard to believe a lot of people brought into it and thought it was real
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 18, 2016 22:14:15 GMT -5
Even Blair Witch got more than just viral stuff. They even shot a couple of television specials to tie into it, like Curse of the Blair Witch, which was a faux documentary where they talked to "relatives" of the film crew and townsfolk, etc. That one aired on SciFi Channel and...something else, I think one of the networks, but possibly somewhere else. Lots of commercials for the film at the time, too. Some eps of MST3K I taped back then and still have, there's an ad for BW every single break throughout the entire two hours. The viral part wasn't limited to online though. They spent a good chunk of change making and posting fake "Have you seen me?" missing posters for the cast all over the place and heavily promoting it at Sundance. Hard to believe a lot of people brought into it and thought it was real Same year people were fearing Y2K, I guess '99 was just one of those years.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2016 22:24:31 GMT -5
Blair Witch is the only one I can think that was almost strictly viral being successful. Snakes on a Plane I remember having huge viral buzz and crashed big time. Even Blair Witch got more than just viral stuff. They even shot a couple of television specials to tie into it, like Curse of the Blair Witch, which was a faux documentary where they talked to "relatives" of the film crew and townsfolk, etc. That one aired on SciFi Channel and...something else, I think one of the networks, but possibly somewhere else. Lots of commercials for the film at the time, too. Some eps of MST3K I taped back then and still have, there's an ad for BW every single break throughout the entire two hours. The viral part wasn't limited to online though. They spent a good chunk of change making and posting fake "Have you seen me?" missing posters for the cast all over the place and heavily promoting it at Sundance. the actors also did the late night interview stuff from what I remember.
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Post by Joe Neglia on Jun 18, 2016 22:41:41 GMT -5
Even Blair Witch got more than just viral stuff. They even shot a couple of television specials to tie into it, like Curse of the Blair Witch, which was a faux documentary where they talked to "relatives" of the film crew and townsfolk, etc. That one aired on SciFi Channel and...something else, I think one of the networks, but possibly somewhere else. Lots of commercials for the film at the time, too. Some eps of MST3K I taped back then and still have, there's an ad for BW every single break throughout the entire two hours. The viral part wasn't limited to online though. They spent a good chunk of change making and posting fake "Have you seen me?" missing posters for the cast all over the place and heavily promoting it at Sundance. the actors also did the late night interview stuff from what I remember. If they did, it was after the fact, I think. The studio releasing it actually kept up the premise so long, all three were still listed as legitimately deceased on their IMDB pages for a year after.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2016 22:50:43 GMT -5
the actors also did the late night interview stuff from what I remember. If they did, it was after the fact, I think. The studio releasing it actually kept up the premise so long, all three were still listed as legitimately deceased on their IMDB pages for a year after. Yeah it might have been after it was released thinking back.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 18, 2016 23:04:39 GMT -5
the actors also did the late night interview stuff from what I remember. If they did, it was after the fact, I think. The studio releasing it actually kept up the premise so long, all three were still listed as legitimately deceased on their IMDB pages for a year after. I can only speak for the UK, but it was definitely well after the theatrical run before it became widely known that the actors were actually actors.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 18, 2016 23:06:56 GMT -5
Here's an interview from August 10, 1999 of one of the Actresses... it was released in July 30th of that year so it wasn't that long after.
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Post by BlackoutCreature on Jun 18, 2016 23:10:42 GMT -5
Even Blair Witch got more than just viral stuff. They even shot a couple of television specials to tie into it, like Curse of the Blair Witch, which was a faux documentary where they talked to "relatives" of the film crew and townsfolk, etc. That one aired on SciFi Channel and...something else, I think one of the networks, but possibly somewhere else. Lots of commercials for the film at the time, too. Some eps of MST3K I taped back then and still have, there's an ad for BW every single break throughout the entire two hours. The viral part wasn't limited to online though. They spent a good chunk of change making and posting fake "Have you seen me?" missing posters for the cast all over the place and heavily promoting it at Sundance. Hard to believe a lot of people brought into it and thought it was real I remember seeing it and when I came home my sister was there with some of her friends. One of her friends was absolutely convinced it was real. I was like "you do know the girl from the movie was on Jay Leno last night, right?".
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Jun 18, 2016 23:52:33 GMT -5
Besides the bugger production budgets, the money spent on advertising now compared to 25 years ago is insane. John Carpenter said that back in the late-'80s and early-'90s the major studios rarely spent more than $10 million on advertising, and even that figure was reserved for the biggest of blockbusters. Nowadays the average movie has upwards of $50 million spent on advertising as standard, with the blockbusters getting as much as triple that. The campaign on BvS was stupid too. They showed you glimpses of like, goddamn everything in the movie. Did Doomsday need to be revealed in the trailers? The one trailer that literally spoiled that the titular conflict wouldn't last the entire film and the true enemy was the worse, badass Wonder Woman appearance aside.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 18, 2016 23:57:30 GMT -5
The campaign on BvS was stupid too. They showed you glimpses of like, goddamn everything in the movie. Did Doomsday need to be revealed in the trailers? The one trailer that literally spoiled that the titular conflict wouldn't last the entire film and the true enemy was the worse, badass Wonder Woman appearance aside. But not even just the big things were spoiled. There was a poster of Superman dragging that massive ship by a chain, awesome visual, did that need to be in the advertising campaign as well? It felt like I knew 85% of the movie before I even bought my $17 ticket.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 19, 2016 0:05:11 GMT -5
You say the same about most trailers these days
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 0:07:34 GMT -5
The one trailer that literally spoiled that the titular conflict wouldn't last the entire film and the true enemy was the worse, badass Wonder Woman appearance aside. But not even just the big things were spoiled. There was a poster of Superman dragging that massive ship by a chain, awesome visual, did that need to be in the advertising campaign as well? It felt like I knew 85% of the movie before I even bought my $17 ticket. To be fair it feels like that with most movies. Like during Civil War there were awesome scenes I knew that were coming towards the end because they haven't been shown yet. Or the advertisement showing a lot of those cool markout moments during the hanger fight. Or the reveal of Professor X being bald since it was like the last scene of Apocalypse. Just simple things like that. Comic book movies are very notorious in giving away the entire plot and putting all the cool moments in the trailers. But hey that's how you sell tickets. Hell I remember the first trailer for Batman vs. Superman that didn't show much and people were like no thanks lol dark and gritty. Than the second trailer showed all the cool moments like Wonder Woman, Doomsday, and Batman holding a gun and many comments here were like SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY!!!!! Hell you could say the same thing with Suicide Squad's second and third trailer compared to the minimal "I Told a Joke" trailer.
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Post by andrew8798 on Jun 19, 2016 0:55:00 GMT -5
And of course with Deadpool there was a reason why it had a small budget Fox didn't have much faith in it
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 19, 2016 1:09:21 GMT -5
And of course with Deadpool there was a reason why it had a small budget Fox didn't have much faith in it Guaranteed the sequel will have a budget in the $100+ million range.
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Post by TWERKIN' MAGGLE on Jun 19, 2016 1:27:47 GMT -5
And of course with Deadpool there was a reason why it had a small budget Fox didn't have much faith in it Guaranteed the sequel will have a budget in the $100+ million range. And they should make a live action version of this with that budget:
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