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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 28, 2016 21:31:01 GMT -5
Apprantenly the reason why Wonder Woman's costume is so deep in red is because they wanted to go with the idea of her breastplate covered with the blood of all the people she's slain over the years. ...Wow, we may have stumbled upon a worse butchering of Wonder Woman than the 2011 David E Kelly pilot. Good lord, 35 years its been of the air and Lynda Carter's version of Diana is still the only respectful live action adaptation of this character.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 28, 2016 21:55:36 GMT -5
Apprantenly the reason why Wonder Woman's costume is so deep in red is because they wanted to go with the idea of her breastplate covered with the blood of all the people she's slain over the years. ...Wow, we may have stumbled upon a worse butchering of Wonder Woman than the 2011 David E Kelly pilot. Good lord, 35 years its been of the air and Lynda Carter's version of Diana is still the only respectful live action adaptation of this character. Jeez, what does Snyder think Diana is? Kratos
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Post by chrom on Jun 28, 2016 22:05:09 GMT -5
Apprantenly the reason why Wonder Woman's costume is so deep in red is because they wanted to go with the idea of her breastplate covered with the blood of all the people she's slain over the years. ...Wow, we may have stumbled upon a worse butchering of Wonder Woman than the 2011 David E Kelly pilot. Good lord, 35 years its been of the air and Lynda Carter's version of Diana is still the only respectful live action adaptation of this character. Be glad that the idea was dropped. Seriously, what is wrong with Synder? From the rape mentions to killing off Jimmy for no reason than it amused him, to wanting WW to be like Ares, that guy's not got a full deck
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Jun 28, 2016 22:10:41 GMT -5
...Wow, we may have stumbled upon a worse butchering of Wonder Woman than the 2011 David E Kelly pilot. Good lord, 35 years its been of the air and Lynda Carter's version of Diana is still the only respectful live action adaptation of this character. Be glad that the idea was dropped. Seriously, what is wrong with Synder? From the rape mentions to killing off Jimmy for no reason than it amused him, to wanting WW to be like Ares, that guy's not got a full deck Simple. Bro.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 28, 2016 22:18:54 GMT -5
Be glad that the idea was dropped. Seriously, what is wrong with Synder? From the rape mentions to killing off Jimmy for no reason than it amused him, to wanting WW to be like Ares, that guy's not got a full deck Simple. Bro. Yep. Snyder is amazingly immature... seriously I find all of his attempts at being dark and edgy way more immature than anything in the Marvel Cinematic universe. and I say that as someone that's pretty immature himself
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Post by BorneAgain on Jun 28, 2016 22:23:53 GMT -5
Snyder is like hack 90s comic book writer who somehow ended up a director. So much of his stuff reeks of grim and gritty nonsense from the Dark Age, I'm surprised he hasn't brought up an unironic appreciation for the Azrael Batman yet.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Jun 29, 2016 0:17:09 GMT -5
I don't hate Snyder. I love(d) 300, Dawn of the Dead, Watchmen, Man of Steel, and even enjoyed Batman vs. Superman. But turning Wonder Woman into a psycopathic war loving killing machine? Wow. Just wow. I can live with Batman killing to a degree, I can even somewhat accept Superman being a little broody due to feeling out of place. But the idea he had for Wonder Woman? That shit belongs in an Alien vs. Predator movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 1:45:27 GMT -5
I'm surprised he hasn't brought up an unironic appreciation for the Azrael Batman yet. On that note, I have an Azrael Batman toy from when I was a kid that I'd like to get another copy of because it's missing part of it. It's about a foot tall and is red for some reason.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 1:53:17 GMT -5
Yeah, noticed that last bit when I watched it recentltly and did a quick double-take. As I've probably said a bunch of times in this thread already. He did the same thing in Watchmen. He thinks he's being clever adding things but really just shows that he missed the point entirely. I didn't mind the changed ending in Watchmen too terribly, though I do think the comic ending is much better. I was more bothered by 1), the need to give Veidt some sort of physical comeuppance when his punishment being his conscious was the point, and 2), the action stuff in general because it being so elaborate and visual completely clashes with the tone of the story.
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Post by sonofsharknado on Jun 29, 2016 2:02:35 GMT -5
I mean
Diana's been around in excess of one hundred years
"I've fought things from other worlds before"
She fought alongside the Allies in World War 2.
Not to interrupt the circlejerk, but I don't think it's entirely out of the question that she's killed a large amount of people.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 2:19:46 GMT -5
I mean Diana's been around in excess of one hundred years "I've fought things from other worlds before" She fought alongside the Allies in World War 2. Not to interrupt the circlejerk, but I don't think it's entirely out of the question that she's killed a large amount of people. Yeah, but I do think it's stupid she apparently has never washed her clothes. And for that matter I think the, "She's immortal and been doing this for ages," thing is dumb too, but that's another matter entirely.
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Post by sonofsharknado on Jun 29, 2016 2:38:07 GMT -5
I mean,the amazons being ageless idea has been around for years.
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Post by Aya Reiko on Jun 29, 2016 4:40:43 GMT -5
...Wow, we may have stumbled upon a worse butchering of Wonder Woman than the 2011 David E Kelly pilot. Good lord, 35 years its been of the air and Lynda Carter's version of Diana is still the only respectful live action adaptation of this character. Be glad that the idea was dropped. Seriously, what is wrong with Synder? From the rape mentions to killing off Jimmy for no reason than it amused him, to wanting WW to be like Ares, that guy's not got a full deck He's a Michael Bay wannabe with Vince Russo's lame "edginess" mixed in. At least Bay knows how to pander to the fanbase (or at least he tries), Snyder has no clue.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 6:34:50 GMT -5
One bad thing already with the 3 hour version of the film is now people online are now saying what a genius Snyder is or how its all WB's fault for the terrible reception of the movie. No no f***ing no
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 29, 2016 8:09:24 GMT -5
As I've probably said a bunch of times in this thread already. He did the same thing in Watchmen. He thinks he's being clever adding things but really just shows that he missed the point entirely. I didn't mind the changed ending in Watchmen too terribly, though I do think the comic ending is much better. I was more bothered by 1), the need to give Veidt some sort of physical comeuppance when his punishment being his conscious was the point, and 2), the action stuff in general because it being so elaborate and visual completely clashes with the tone of the story. the changed ending to watchmen blatantly misses the point Spoilers for Movie and book below {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}as LITERALLY everything that happens in the movie leads to the 'alien' so stuff like hte missing scientist never get resolved because they were working on the squid.
Bubastis existing at all doesn't make any sense in the movie either since it was a byproduct of his gene splicing experiment... FOR THE SQUID.
Furthermore, making it Dr. Manhattan shows a complete lack of understanding as to why the alien was important... because Doctor Manhattan IS AMERICA to the outside world.
and stuff like "God exists and he's American" and Doctor Manhattan winning Vietnam for America proves that he is America's attack dog... no one especially Soviet Russia is going to care that "America was attacked too" because they're the ones ultimately responsible for him.
As for the critique that the squid would look ridiculous in live action... THEN CHANGE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
You have unbridled ability to make it look like anything in a movie as long as it looks like something that is not found on Earth it would work. Because the point isn't that it was some sorta massive telekinetic squid... it was the fact that it was an 'alien' life form.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 8:32:53 GMT -5
I didn't mind the changed ending in Watchmen too terribly, though I do think the comic ending is much better. I was more bothered by 1), the need to give Veidt some sort of physical comeuppance when his punishment being his conscious was the point, and 2), the action stuff in general because it being so elaborate and visual completely clashes with the tone of the story. the changed ending to watchmen blatantly misses the point Spoilers for Movie and book below {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}as LITERALLY everything that happens in the movie leads to the 'alien' so stuff like hte missing scientist never get resolved because they were working on the squid.
Bubastis existing at all doesn't make any sense in the movie either since it was a byproduct of his gene splicing experiment... FOR THE SQUID.
Furthermore, making it Dr. Manhattan shows a complete lack of understanding as to why the alien was important... because Doctor Manhattan IS AMERICA to the outside world.
and stuff like "God exists and he's American" and Doctor Manhattan winning Vietnam for America proves that he is America's attack dog... no one especially Soviet Russia is going to care that "America was attacked too" because they're the ones ultimately responsible for him.
As for the critique that the squid would look ridiculous in live action... THEN CHANGE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
You have unbridled ability to make it look like anything in a movie as long as it looks like something that is not found on Earth it would work. Because the point isn't that it was some sorta massive telekinetic squid... it was the fact that it was an 'alien' life form.
{Spoiler}Oh, yeah, the whole, "Everyone would immediately blame America," thing is an immediate issue that they should have thought over, but at least in the realm of possibility that they might at least be able to get some degree of a working peace there given last people had heard of Dr. Manhattan he had suddenly vanished distressed. Wouldn't be too terribly hard to spin that as, "We don't know what happened, he went mad," and at least prevent an immediate retaliation, though it would be pretty unlikely to actually lower international tensions to say the least, yeah.
As for the scientist... Well, presumably the scientists were still helping with working on the whole project of replicating Dr. Manhattan's powers and such a massive scale, so doesn't really fall apart on that front. As for Bubastis... Eh, they really never even acknowledge him that much, it kind of came off like he was just there as an Easter egg of sorts, which I think is alright. Imagine his presence does come off as very strange to anyone who hasn't read the comic, though.
I mean, I think the comic ending should have been left alone and the movie one is far inferior, just personally not hugely bothered over it.
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Post by YAKMAN is ICHIBAN on Jun 29, 2016 8:40:16 GMT -5
I didn't mind the changed ending in Watchmen too terribly, though I do think the comic ending is much better. I was more bothered by 1), the need to give Veidt some sort of physical comeuppance when his punishment being his conscious was the point, and 2), the action stuff in general because it being so elaborate and visual completely clashes with the tone of the story. the changed ending to watchmen blatantly misses the point Spoilers for Movie and book below {Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}{Spoiler}as LITERALLY everything that happens in the movie leads to the 'alien' so stuff like hte missing scientist never get resolved because they were working on the squid.
Bubastis existing at all doesn't make any sense in the movie either since it was a byproduct of his gene splicing experiment... FOR THE SQUID.
Furthermore, making it Dr. Manhattan shows a complete lack of understanding as to why the alien was important... because Doctor Manhattan IS AMERICA to the outside world.
and stuff like "God exists and he's American" and Doctor Manhattan winning Vietnam for America proves that he is America's attack dog... no one especially Soviet Russia is going to care that "America was attacked too" because they're the ones ultimately responsible for him.
As for the critique that the squid would look ridiculous in live action... THEN CHANGE WHAT IT LOOKS LIKE.
You have unbridled ability to make it look like anything in a movie as long as it looks like something that is not found on Earth it would work. Because the point isn't that it was some sorta massive telekinetic squid... it was the fact that it was an 'alien' life form.
I agree with all of this, but my biggest problem with the movie is the horrible twist-obliterating casting of Ozymandias, followed by the unbearable screen presence of Malin Akerman. If they were going to make the change they did, they just needed a scene with the world leaders peeling back the cold war paranoia to talk about Doctor Manhattan. Probably after the scene at the talk show, maybe change it so that Manhattan loses it and the audience disappears or something rather than him just leaving which the leaders take as signs that he is going rogue. It could work, and in a more elegant way than the squid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2016 8:48:40 GMT -5
But turning Wonder Woman into a psycopathic war loving killing machine? Wow. Just wow. I can live with Batman killing to a degree, I can even somewhat accept Superman being a little broody due to feeling out of place. But the idea he had for Wonder Woman? That shit belongs in an Alien vs. Predator movie. It's like he kinda gets the war-hungry/man-hating nature of the Themyscirans and just presumes "well, Diana is their champion, so she's clearly the most brutal of them all." Which is decidedly NOT what Wonder Woman is or has ever been loved for whatsoever.
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Post by wisdomwizard on Jun 29, 2016 9:10:52 GMT -5
One bad thing already with the 3 hour version of the film is now people online are now saying what a genius Snyder is or how its all WB's fault for the terrible reception of the movie. No no f***ing no Snyder isn't a genius at all, but how is it NOT WB's fault if the Ultimate Cut is better than the theatrical version? Snyder didn't make that call, WB did. Had they released that version it might very well have crossed the billion threshold they wanted.
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Post by HMARK Center on Jun 29, 2016 10:25:03 GMT -5
As super edgelord-y as the description of Wonder Woman's armor is, I'd be willing to see her movie first to determine if it's handled at all well, e.g. if it's a way to make her a battle crazed warrior or if it's her making herself carry a reminder of battle, blah blah blah.
Doesn't change that many of the ideas that Snyder publicly says drive him tend to revolve around thinking "Ow, the edge", so whether or not they get handled well later he's still making a buffoon of himself in these interviews.
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