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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on May 21, 2014 18:38:47 GMT -5
As somebody who doesn't follow comics, Marvel movies>>>>>>>>DC movies. That being said, DC still have the best TV shows so there's that.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 21, 2014 18:49:52 GMT -5
It's weird to think of how pre-2000 or so, Marvel was absolutely laughable when it comes to movies, and DC had major hits with Batman and Superman, and how the former has completely turned things around while the latter still has Batman and Superman.
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Post by Sc on May 21, 2014 20:47:33 GMT -5
I really hate how Marvel gets a pass for the bad movies it has made (Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) but when DC, Fox, and Sony announce a new movie the initial reaction seems to always be "it's awful", "this is gonna suck", "sell it back to Marvel".
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 21, 2014 21:08:04 GMT -5
I really hate how Marvel gets a pass for the bad movies it has made (Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) but when DC, Fox, and Sony announce a new movie the initial reaction seems to always be "it's awful", "this is gonna suck", "sell it back to Marvel". for your first point not everyone thinks those movies sucked. I enjoyed both Thor movies and a lot of Iron Man 3, as did every person that I saw them with. As for the second part, I never think something is going to suck right off the bat, I only start thinking is going to suck when information comes out/I see a trailer that looks really bad. For instance this movie I disliked the first one, and they keep announcing things (granted some of it may be just fan speculation) that just adds the amount of stuff they have to fit into the movie just so they can rush to their JLA team up movie... and overloading their movies is something they had trouble with in the past... since they stuck about 3 movies worth of story into the Green Lantern movie.. As for the sell it back to Marvel... most think that the company would do a better job with their own heroes than the companies have been... can't really comment one way or the other since they haven't released anything with the hero(s) they got back yet. but the X-men movies are at about a 50-50 split of good movies vs. utter crap... not to mention they're constantly f***ing with continuity between movies for no good reason. can't comment definitively on Amazing Spider-man cause I never saw either movie... but a few of the trailers for 2 looked really bad to me. as for the Fantastic Four movie... have you seen the first two Fantastic Four movies? Can you blame people for not having any faith in them doing it right?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 21:14:53 GMT -5
Marvel Studios has yet to make a critical flop. Even the least well received one-- The Incredible Hulk-- has a 63% on Rotten Tomatoes.
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Post by Sc on May 21, 2014 21:19:53 GMT -5
I really hate how Marvel gets a pass for the bad movies it has made (Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) but when DC, Fox, and Sony announce a new movie the initial reaction seems to always be "it's awful", "this is gonna suck", "sell it back to Marvel". for your first point not everyone thinks those movies sucked. I enjoyed both Thor movies and a lot of Iron Man 3, as did every person that I saw them with. As for the second part, I never think something is going to suck right off the bat, I only start thinking is going to suck when information comes out/I see a trailer that looks really bad. For instance this movie I disliked the first one, and they keep announcing things (granted some of it may be just fan speculation) that just adds the amount of stuff they have to fit into the movie just so they can rush to their JLA team up movie... and overloading their movies is something they had trouble with in the past... since they stuck about 3 movies worth of story into the Green Lantern movie.. As for the sell it back to Marvel... most think that the company would do a better job with their own heroes than the companies have been... can't really comment one way or the other since they haven't released anything with the hero(s) they got back yet. but the X-men movies are at about a 50-50 split of good movies vs. utter crap... not to mention they're constantly f***ing with continuity between movies for no good reason. can't comment definitively on Amazing Spider-man cause I never saw either movie... but a few of the trailers for 2 looked really bad to me. as for the Fantastic Four movie... have you seen the first two Fantastic Four movies? Can you blame people for not having any faith in them doing it right? Well, I'm talking more about the people who comment on sites like comicbookmovie.com. A lot of them hated Iron Man 2 and 3 but I guarantee if new Iron Man movie was announced they would say they can't wait to see it. Yet, the people on that site liked X-Men, X2, The Wolverine, and First Class but still say Fox is ruining the franchise and want it sold back to Marvel so it can be "saved".
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 21:20:50 GMT -5
I really hate how Marvel gets a pass for the bad movies it has made (Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) but when DC, Fox, and Sony announce a new movie the initial reaction seems to always be "it's awful", "this is gonna suck", "sell it back to Marvel". I don't agree with that list, like I think some people exaggerate with Iron Man 3 (like some people are with Raimi Spider-Man 3) and while both Thor movies don't knock your socks off, they were competent movies in an interesting setting. Marvel still does have Iron Man, both Captain Americas, The Incredible Hulk and The Avengers. I didn't even like The Avengers, but that movie made all the money in the world and set precedent. It seems that with Marvel you're going to get at least one good movie every other year. The only thing DC has been able to work was really The Dark Knight and people have been giving DC chances just based on the fact The Dark Knight was the cat's pajamas. Whose fault is it really they've squandered all the leeway with Green Lantern, Dark Knight Rises (which was okay at worst) and Man of Steel (an uneven, dour movie that came at the wrong time)? Then you have Goyer talking the drizzling shits (can we have someone writing these movies who doesn't hate the source material?), the reveal of that suit which makes me want to see a Secret Six movie a hell of a lot more than yet another goddamned Batman movie... No, I think the problem is by-and-large there's huge holes in these superhero movies that could easily be filled by DC properties, but DC overestimates the amount of people who want to see the movies they're putting out. Again, there's no ****ing reason why we have to hope and pray Wonder Woman gets decent screen time in another Batman sequel when people have been asking for a Wonder Woman solo for over three decades. The world just doesn't need another Batman movie. The world definitely doesn't need another superhero movie with David frikkin' Goyer shitting one out on First Draft. Sony's got the same problem with Spider-Man being written by people who either don't know or don't care about basic storytelling or even making Peter Parker not a selfish shit. Fox has people cautiously optimistic because X-Men First Class brought some people back, but the constant Wolverine love and people thinking Quicksilver looks stupid would drive some away. But really though, it's probably because with Marvel people at least get the impression the movies are written and handled by people who at worst have a passing interest in getting the spirit of them right.
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Post by Kevin Hamilton on May 21, 2014 21:23:28 GMT -5
I really hate how Marvel gets a pass for the bad movies it has made (Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) but when DC, Fox, and Sony announce a new movie the initial reaction seems to always be "it's awful", "this is gonna suck", "sell it back to Marvel". Neither Thor movie nor the Iron Man sequels were bad to me. I enjoyed em all. Though hell I've liked both Amazing Spideys as well.
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Post by Sc on May 21, 2014 21:29:18 GMT -5
I really hate how Marvel gets a pass for the bad movies it has made (Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) but when DC, Fox, and Sony announce a new movie the initial reaction seems to always be "it's awful", "this is gonna suck", "sell it back to Marvel". Neither Thor movie nor the Iron Man sequels were bad to me. I enjoyed em all. Though hell I've liked both Amazing Spideys as well. I thought Iron Man 3 was really entertaining, same with Amazing Spider-Man 2 (especially the Green Goblin part) but I've seen people trash those four Marvel movies I mentioned before yet still say Marvel should get back X-Men and Spider-Man so a good version of them can be made even though these same people have admitted to liking 4 out of the 6 X-Men movies.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 21:35:52 GMT -5
I hope Goyer gets to write in that Hulk/SheHulk sex scene starring Chyna that he's been wanting to do.
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Post by xCompackx on May 21, 2014 21:48:35 GMT -5
I really hate how Marvel gets a pass for the bad movies it has made (Thor, Thor 2, Iron Man 2, Iron Man 3) but when DC, Fox, and Sony announce a new movie the initial reaction seems to always be "it's awful", "this is gonna suck", "sell it back to Marvel". for your first point not everyone thinks those movies sucked. I enjoyed both Thor movies and a lot of Iron Man 3, as did every person that I saw them with. As for the second part, I never think something is going to suck right off the bat, I only start thinking is going to suck when information comes out/I see a trailer that looks really bad. For instance this movie I disliked the first one, and they keep announcing things (granted some of it may be just fan speculation) that just adds the amount of stuff they have to fit into the movie just so they can rush to their JLA team up movie... and overloading their movies is something they had trouble with in the past... since they stuck about 3 movies worth of story into the Green Lantern movie.. See, this right here is why I can't get excited for this movie. I really liked the Batman/Batmobile reveal and I'm sure Ben Affleck is going to do a great job. It's just the fact that they're trying to do all this stuff in one movie that really bugs me. With all the things they have to explain for this to even be a decent movie story-wise(Batman meeting Superman, aftermath of Man of Steel, new Batman/Batmobile origin, Lex Luthor, etc.), why do we need all of this extra explanation just because a Justice League movie is being fast tracked? It just screams of desperation and pretending like DC movies have any hint of an organized universe.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 21, 2014 21:50:58 GMT -5
Holy god, that title is dreadful.
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Post by DSR on May 21, 2014 22:31:59 GMT -5
Because someone has to make a joke out of it:
More like YAWN of Justice, amirite?
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Post by SEAN CARLESS on May 21, 2014 23:25:41 GMT -5
I have a feeling Batman will be the person who introduces Kryptonite into this story (I suspect he'll chemically create it himself based off the meteorite fragments and other toxic particles) as a "safety precaution" in case a Superman, or any Kryptonian really, goes rogue again. Ultimately, I assume Luthor will exploit it from there.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2014 23:40:16 GMT -5
So I guess maybe this is why we haven't heard anything on Martian ManHunter.
Well theres no way these comments will come back to haunt him nope no way at all....
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Post by Stone Cold Eleanor Shellstrop on May 21, 2014 23:45:11 GMT -5
So I guess maybe this is why we haven't heard anything on Martian ManHunter. Well theres no way these comments will come back to haunt him nope no way at all.... Bruce Timm's "Justice League" cartoon made excellent use of the Martian Manhunter. Per usual, David Goyer has no f****** clue what he's talking about.
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Post by DSR on May 21, 2014 23:48:41 GMT -5
I don't care to discuss his nerd-bashing comments, but I am annoyed by the "no one's ever heard of this!" argument. I mean, you already have some really popular characters, would it kill you to add an ensemble darkhorse to the proceedings? Further, for every single popular character in pop culture history, there was a point in time where no one had ever heard of them. If you write a character well, there's no reason why an audience can't go "I've never seen this character before, but he's friggin' awesome!"
Also, MM probably has plenty of fans from the Justice League cartoon that aired a little over a decade ago.
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Post by Bub (BLM) on May 22, 2014 0:09:31 GMT -5
So I guess maybe this is why we haven't heard anything on Martian ManHunter. Well theres no way these comments will come back to haunt him nope no way at all.... I love how the idiot Warner has basically put in charge of writing all things DC has taken this stance on a fan-favorite member of the Justice League. Get this f***ing goon away from these projects NOW.
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Post by Zaq "That Guy" Buzzkill on May 22, 2014 0:21:53 GMT -5
I don't care to discuss his nerd-bashing comments, but I am annoyed by the "no one's ever heard of this!" argument. I mean, you already have some really popular characters, would it kill you to add an ensemble darkhorse to the proceedings? Further, for every single popular character in pop culture history, there was a point in time where no one had ever heard of them. If you write a character well, there's no reason why an audience can't go "I've never seen this character before, but he's friggin' awesome!" Also, MM probably has plenty of fans from the Justice League cartoon that aired a little over a decade ago. The "Nobody has ever heard of this argument" completely falls apart when you consider that the likes of Iron Man, Thor, Black Widow, and Hawk were virtual unknowns to the mainstay public before their on-screen debuts. Hell, even the villains in the avenger movies were obscure. In short, Goyer is an idiot.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on May 22, 2014 0:26:09 GMT -5
I don't care to discuss his nerd-bashing comments, but I am annoyed by the "no one's ever heard of this!" argument. I mean, you already have some really popular characters, would it kill you to add an ensemble darkhorse to the proceedings? Further, for every single popular character in pop culture history, there was a point in time where no one had ever heard of them. If you write a character well, there's no reason why an audience can't go "I've never seen this character before, but he's friggin' awesome!" Also, MM probably has plenty of fans from the Justice League cartoon that aired a little over a decade ago. Hawkeye and Black Widow weren't exactly well known either... hell none of the Avengers were really in the super well known category with the public except maybe Hulk... also if Guardians of the Galaxy does well that completely f***ing destroys his argument further... because I've met comic book readers that hadn't heard of them until the movie was announced.
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