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Post by "Cane Dewey" Johnson on Mar 4, 2014 1:13:51 GMT -5
Punk is an 'independent contractor', as WWE often likes to tout (Tout?). Which means that he gets paid for services rendered according to the manner, method, date, and location of his choosing. Since he has chose not to render services since the Royal Rumble, he's not getting paid from. Meaning, he does not literally owe, because of the parameters of his contract in which money is distributed for actual dispensing of services, fans anything, nor are fans, because Punk is not being paid subsequently because of his absence, in fact losing anything in turn.
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Post by riseofsetian1981 on Mar 4, 2014 2:59:54 GMT -5
exactly, and im sure Punk has money saved but eventually itll run out, the ball is really in the WWE courts, wheres he going to got TNA? maybe that would get them a 1.1 rating for a month at best. Japan?, im sure at this point Punk wouldnt like the idea of going overseas, fact is im sure if he really wanted to ( which he wont) he could take a few years off and come back but his options are really limitied as far as making money, Hell come back and in 12-15 months hell be "burnt out" again and well be right here, its getting old ) Well, Punk's money running out isn't the same as our money running out. From what I read he's not a real big spender, lives fairly simple, and has done a great job at saving what he has in the bank. I doubt he'll be going broke anytime soon.
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Post by Cranjis McBasketball on Mar 4, 2014 3:02:34 GMT -5
This thread is incomplete without a Photoshop of Barney as Big Baby handing out flyers with Punk's head on his.
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Post by Fiddleford H. McGucket on Mar 4, 2014 3:11:56 GMT -5
I don't get why he wouldn't at least pick up the Wrestlemania pay-day. If the prevailing theories are correct, He's been working hurt in some way basically since he lost the title. He sees no upward mobility or honestly, nowhere to go but down; both in terms of his own ability and his most likely opponents and storylines. When he left, WrestleMania was a full 10 weeks away. That's 10 RAWs he'd be expected to perform at, plus house shows and other programming including another PPV (Based around a Match type that would mean worse wear on his body). During those 10 weeks, he'd be expcted to UP his game, and if he's hurt going in.....it could be career-threatening. No payday, Not even Mania (Supposedly lessened anyway due to the Network supposedly changing WWE's Revenue projections/allocation) is worth possibly not being able to work period.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 4, 2014 4:07:52 GMT -5
I don't get why he wouldn't atleast pick up the Wrestlemania pay-day. The guy's a multi-millionaire, a total cheapskate, and has enough money to last for decades, if not a lifetime. What's another payday to a guy like that?
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Post by Professor Chaos on Mar 4, 2014 4:23:36 GMT -5
He's my favorite wrestler ever and has lost all my respect. Go cry yourself a river you whiney bitch.
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Post by jimmyjames on Mar 4, 2014 4:33:46 GMT -5
Tell us how you really feel Professor Chaos.
In all seriousness, unless there is a medical or personal reason reason, there is no excuse for him walking out on his contract. Punk is no dummy, he knew were he was headed in his professional life (in terms of wanting or not wanting to retire) when he signed the contract. If he wass having second thoughts and there was no renegotiating his contract, maybe this was an old school holdout attempt, like Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale, in order to force WWE to reduce the length of his contract. If so, then it obviously did not work. Either way, he still should have finished out his contract, then retired.
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Post by DIIV on Mar 4, 2014 5:04:20 GMT -5
I don't get why he wouldn't at least pick up the Wrestlemania pay-day. If the prevailing theories are correct, He's been working hurt in some way basically since he lost the title. He sees no upward mobility or honestly, nowhere to go but down; both in terms of his own ability and his most likely opponents and storylines. When he left, WrestleMania was a full 10 weeks away. That's 10 RAWs he'd be expected to perform at, plus house shows and other programming including another PPV (Based around a Match type that would mean worse wear on his body). During those 10 weeks, he'd be expcted to UP his game, and if he's hurt going in.....it could be career-threatening. No payday, Not even Mania (Supposedly lessened anyway due to the Network supposedly changing WWE's Revenue projections/allocation) is worth possibly not being able to work period. He did mention the network cutting into their PPV paychecks and WWE leaving the wrestlers in the dark when it came to explaining how them getting paid was going to work out. I'm sure that had to be frustrating for him and everyone else and was probably one of the contributing factors to him leaving.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 4, 2014 5:34:46 GMT -5
Either way, he still should have finished out his contract, then retired. Why though? WWE have shown no qualms about cancelling performers' contracts with no notice and for asinine reasons. When a performer decides that they've had enough and do the same are we supposed to feel sorry for WWE? Punk walking is quite literally him giving WWE the "Creative has nothing for you" line. The only people I see feeling sorry for anything are the people who are bitching that he's gone and feeling sorry for themselves under the mistaken, self-entitled belief that Punk somehow owes them something. Bottom line, any performer who feels he or she is being under-utilised has every right to quit WWE. Doesn't matter if it's Punk feeling he should be at the top of the card, or Zack Ryder feeling he should just be on the card.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 5:52:35 GMT -5
Tell us how you really feel Professor Chaos. In all seriousness, unless there is a medical or personal reason reason, there is no excuse for him walking out on his contract. Punk is no dummy, he knew were he was headed in his professional life (in terms of wanting or not wanting to retire) when he signed the contract. If he wass having second thoughts and there was no renegotiating his contract, maybe this was an old school holdout attempt, like Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale, in order to force WWE to reduce the length of his contract. If so, then it obviously did not work. Either way, he still should have finished out his contract, then retired. He actually worked all agreed amounts of dates on his contract, plus he's an independent contractor so the whole contract length matters sweet FA. It's only considered bad form as he apparently screwed up some plan or another, but if the WWE can't keep their non-employees happy then that's the E's problem.
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Post by They Adam Bradley on Mar 4, 2014 20:47:59 GMT -5
Theres no excuse, if hes gone then hes gone but how many people truely beleive that he is gone for good? If you beleive that I have some land id like to sell you on Mars...The fact is WHATEVER had got him upset, injuries, money, backstage bullshit, it seems to happen to him EVERY OTHER YEAR... dude if tis THAT bad, BE GONE. you have money, go do podcast with Colt, do random tv shows....its the fact in my opinoin that money is important to him and he knows the only place hell make money is the WWE.. so hell pout for a few months, then come back and 24 months later do the same thing, if your that injured burnt out, LEAVE. The WWE has shown that they are willing to give their entertainers time off for injuries, personal reasons, marriage etc so i highly doubt injury has anything to do with it, hes a millionare baby who has the whole world!
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Post by Bootista on Mar 4, 2014 20:50:44 GMT -5
You sound bitter. Are you one of Punk's exes??
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Post by Piccolo on Mar 4, 2014 21:10:59 GMT -5
Punk is an 'independent contractor', as WWE often likes to tout (Tout?). Which means that he gets paid for services rendered according to the manner, method, date, and location of his choosing. Since he has chose not to render services since the Royal Rumble, he's not getting paid from. Meaning, he does not literally owe, because of the parameters of his contract in which money is distributed for actual dispensing of services, fans anything, nor are fans, because Punk is not being paid subsequently because of his absence, in fact losing anything in turn. Right? How do people not get this? Also, I'm laughing at this being characterized as "pouting." If he gets what he wants because because Vince needed him more than he needed Vince, that's called playing hardball. Guarantee you Vince knows how to play that game pretty well himself. Business is business, it's nothing personal.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 4, 2014 21:11:06 GMT -5
the more this drags out, the more I'm torn on this. If Punk left because he is burnt out that's fine and understandable IF Punk left because he is frustrated that's fine........... IF HE DOESN'T COME BACK If he comes back and inserted into the main event to please him, he comes across as a hypocrite Of course, all the above can be null and void if it was all a work Why does it have to be an either or? We've all been burnt out, and that makes us more angry, irritable. Couple with that physical fatigue and nagging injuries, and it can only have been worse. Reducing the arguments into an either or scenario when one is lacking first hand, or even anecdotal knowledge from the actual people involved is fundamentally flawed logic. No one thing trumps all other things in decision making like this, the context of the decision generally lends to there being cumulative rationale for a decision being made.
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Post by Mayonnaise on Mar 4, 2014 21:14:34 GMT -5
He's left once (1) before this, because of injuries last year. Before that, he has been on TV working even while injured. Wherever this myth of him running away every few months comes from is complete bullshit. Nevermind, he owes no one anything. The entitlement and bitterness that is coming from some people is amazing.
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Post by mizerable on Mar 4, 2014 21:14:38 GMT -5
If you beleive that I have some land id like to sell you on Mars... How much?
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Post by Venti on Mar 4, 2014 21:26:28 GMT -5
That's right, Punk. You don't want to hurt yourself every night for our entertainment and probably face a pay cut and watch old timers get pushed over you? You're such a whiner and you owe us the world because were wrestling fans and were entitled!
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Post by Apricots And A Pear Tree on Mar 4, 2014 21:37:15 GMT -5
Nevermind, he owes no one anything. He owes me Ice Cream. You do not dangle the prospect of ice cream in front of a fat guy and not deliver!!! It does not even need to be WWE Ice Cream Bars at this point, I will accept Moose Tracks.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 4, 2014 21:38:49 GMT -5
The Go to Sleep gets renamed the Take a Nap.
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Post by angryfan on Mar 4, 2014 21:42:30 GMT -5
Nevermind, he owes no one anything. He owes me Ice Cream. You do not dangle the prospect of ice cream in front of a fat guy and not deliver!!! It does not even need to be WWE Ice Cream Bars at this point, I will accept Moose Tracks. God damn it, now I want moose tracks, or Ben and Jerry's, or maybe I can find a DQ that's still open. I'm quickly developing Rage Handles with the prospect of no ice cream.
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