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Post by burdette25159 on Mar 21, 2014 15:35:56 GMT -5
Now hear me out on this one... Plenty of people are certainly going to mention WCW's Capital Carnage with Sting & Robocop teaming up, and they're right to do so, but it's for far more than just the spectacle of the Robocop/Sting interactions. If you watch the entire show, the entire broadcast team, including Jim Ross and Gordon Solie, have to play the entire event as straight as possible. This outright goofiness is completely different than anything NWA/WCW had remotely offered up to that point, so having to hear the commentators who are so used to calling the action as a straight sport need to refer to everything that's going on (especially Robocop keeping the Little Stingers in his heart) over the course of the night as if it's actual sports business is nothing short of incredible and hilarious. So I'd say, turn the audio up and watch it all the way through. You also get Horsemen promos where they're all in tuxedos, including Sid Vicious who doesn't get to say anything and just look like the kid who doesn't want to be at school on dress-up picture day. It's Capital Combat 1990 not Capital Carnage. My recommendations NWO Souled Out 1997 (WCW stars get no music and get buried by the disembodied voice, and except for the Ladder match between Syxx and Eddie "Mexican Jumping Bean" Guerrero and the tag title match, a MOSTLY LAMEBUTT SHOW) Great American Trash 2006 (The show that was destoryed by Elevated Enzymes of the Liver) Uncensored 1996 (Doomsday Cage Match, 'nugh said
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 21, 2014 22:49:44 GMT -5
I have already started this same sort of quest and here's the three I have seen thus far:
Great American Bash 1991. The Flair firing show. Oh lord is this one ever bad. Yet oddly enough it at least has a certain goofy early 90s charm to it. I mean who begins a PPV with a scaffold match involving no one falling? Bad gimmicks galore as well.
Souled Out 2000. Okay not THIS is a terrible, wretched PPV. I boycotted this one the first time around due to the insanity going on at the time, with all the guys threatening to quit, Sullivan replacing Russo, etc. I started out laughing at the show with Malenko screwing up and falling out of the ring (in the Kidman match where the first guy to touch the floor loses) and also the David Flair/Crowbar/Vampiro 3 way was a negative stars laugher. But as it went on I got a real sour taste in my mouth over this PPV, right around Oklahoma/Madusa. If this isn't the worst PPV ever, I'd like to know what is. Say what you want about GAB 91, but at least WCW more or less moved on without Flair. They never recovered from Jan. 2000 and this PPV.
KOTR 1995. This was mostly a bad show because the bracket and card was just not well put together. Who would possibly want 3 Savio Vega matches in one night? Or multiple Mabel matches? Or HBK going to a draw with Kama? I've often thought it was bizarre that Kama feuded with UT, yet never did when he was Papa Shango and had a similar supernatural gimmick. Yet we got no Razor matches, no Owen, no Jarrett, etc. That said, as silly as the Kiss My Foot match was on paper, Bret and Lawler flat out tore the house down. You can really see the talent of these two guys as they took a crowd that was catatonic from the horrible tourney and made them care and go nuts for the Sharpshooter finish. Bravo.
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Post by CMWaters on Mar 21, 2014 23:00:59 GMT -5
Wasn't Razor injured, hence why Savio was in that King of the Ring in the first place?
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Post by ace r0ckolla on Mar 21, 2014 23:20:20 GMT -5
I just got done watching The Wrestling Vision Classic from 1985.. and that was pretty bad. Every match is incredibly short with stupid finishes.
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Post by Tony Schiavontay on Mar 21, 2014 23:20:52 GMT -5
Now hear me out on this one... Plenty of people are certainly going to mention WCW's Capital Carnage with Sting & Robocop teaming up, and they're right to do so, but it's for far more than just the spectacle of the Robocop/Sting interactions. If you watch the entire show, the entire broadcast team, including Jim Ross and Gordon Solie, have to play the entire event as straight as possible. This outright goofiness is completely different than anything NWA/WCW had remotely offered up to that point, so having to hear the commentators who are so used to calling the action as a straight sport need to refer to everything that's going on (especially Robocop keeping the Little Stingers in his heart) over the course of the night as if it's actual sports business is nothing short of incredible and hilarious. So I'd say, turn the audio up and watch it all the way through. You also get Horsemen promos where they're all in tuxedos, including Sid Vicious who doesn't get to say anything and just look like the kid who doesn't want to be at school on dress-up picture day. It's Capital Combat 1990 not Capital Carnage. My recommendations NWO Souled Out 1997 (WCW stars get no music and get buried by the disembodied voice, and except for the Ladder match between Syxx and Eddie "Mexican Jumping Bean" Guerrero and the tag title match, a MOSTLY LAMEBUTT SHOW) Great American Trash 2006 (The show that was destoryed by Elevated Enzymes of the Liver) Uncensored 1996 (Doomsday Cage Match, 'nugh saidI watched this one about a year ago and it also features a match between DDP and Ed Leslie doing the Booty Man gimmick that's much longer than Ed Leslie should ever be allowed to wrestle, a match between The Giant and the fattest man I've ever seen and a match where the Road Warriors take on Sting and (for whatever reason) Booker T in a brawl around the arena presented in split screen that goes on for like half an hour. It's one of the worst before you even get to that bad main event. The Doomsday cage just sends it into legend.
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Post by Mac on Mar 21, 2014 23:22:08 GMT -5
A lot of the PPVs listed here are bad, but bad in a way that's just boring. A lot of those late 99-01 WCW PPVs are great because they're beyond horrible.
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Post by Oh Cry Me a Screwball on Mar 21, 2014 23:35:33 GMT -5
Since I just watched it last night, Halloween Havoc 99 features the following:
A triple threat tag team match where a pin occurs backstage and another in the ring (the former not being broadcasted to the live audience whatsoever).
Hulk Hogan lying down for Sting in a World title match oddly occurring in the middle of the show.
A match ending in blood stoppage, but the next match featuring an even worse gusher.
Goldberg sort of winning the World title despite that the match was supposed to be non-title.
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Post by Mozenrath on Mar 21, 2014 23:41:02 GMT -5
New Blood Rising 2000: Buff Bagwell's mum on a forklift. Miss Hancock having a fake miscarriage. A triple threat match where Goldberg "refuses to job" and leaves the ring, before Russo comes out and yells at him. Goldberg screams "f*** YOU" and leaves, while the announcers talk about Goldberg being unprofessional. They also wonder aloud how they're going to "improvise" their finish. Swear to god this happened. Uncensored 2000: Brian Knobs beating 3 Count in a hardcore match. A falls count anywhere match where you can't see the finish because of the bad lighting. Hulk Hogan beats up 3 men single handed and helps Sid win. Sid was WCW Champion at the time and so this made him look awful in favour of Hogan. King of the Ring 1995: Mabel wins the tournament. HBK is eliminated in the first round. The main event is a pointless tag match that's bad. ECW chants during the KOTR final. Starrcade 1999: 13 matches in a 3 hour show, one of which is a Powerbomb match between Nash and Sid. The finish doesn't actually involve a Powerbomb, Nash just tells the ref he did the move and the ref believes him. Oh and they reenact Montreal with Bret in the main event. Uncensored 1995: Meng and Jim Duggan in a MARTIAL ARTS MATCH. Johnny B.Badd v. Arn Anderson in a "Boxer versus Wrestler match". Randy Savage and Avalanche ends in a DQ after Ric Flair interferes while dressed in drag. This despite the fact the match was billed as no-DQ. There was also of course the famous King of the Road match where Dustin Rhodes and Blacktop Bully both bladed and were fired. They couldn't show the blood either so the match is borderline unwatchable. I could write some more if people are interested, I love horrible wrestling. One of the funniest things I've ever seen to this day is Sting vs Rick Steiner, where Sting is attacked by dogs at the finish and they imply he's been eaten. Oh how I laughed. Please do, these are awesome.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 6:50:40 GMT -5
New Blood Rising 2000: Buff Bagwell's mum on a forklift. Miss Hancock having a fake miscarriage. A triple threat match where Goldberg "refuses to job" and leaves the ring, before Russo comes out and yells at him. Goldberg screams "f*** YOU" and leaves, while the announcers talk about Goldberg being unprofessional. They also wonder aloud how they're going to "improvise" their finish. Swear to god this happened. I cut it off after the miscarriage angle, and I'm surprised I made it that far. That four-way tag was all kinds of ridiculous with the Animals as referees. Made me thank my lucky stars I had all but given up on WCW at that point.
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Post by king1836 on Mar 22, 2014 7:02:25 GMT -5
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Post by Manute Bol on Mar 22, 2014 8:04:00 GMT -5
You're leaving out the Bret/Owen cage match, which is a great match. Also Razor/Diesel is good too. I wasn't. That match is awful. Slow, boring and overhyped as anything as they spend about half the match literally hanging from the cage itself. Just mind-numbingly bad. I've always thought the Cage match was incredibly overrated and couldn't believe Meltzer would give it 5 stars. However, I watched it again this week and saw it in a whole different light. You're right that they spend the majority of the match hanging from the cage, but that's exactly what I enjoyed about it. It's very different than most Cage matches and is a good example of why I don't like when Cage matches can be won via pinball or submission. From the moment the bell rings, Bret and Owen are constantly trying to escape while the other is digging as deep as they can to prevent them from doing so. There are a ton of really close calls and some truly innovative spots I haven't seen in a Cage Match since. While I still don't think it's a 5 star match, I definitely now see the awesomeness of this match. But seriously though; if you think SummerSlam 1994 is the worst PPV ever, then I'm inclined to think you haven't seen many PPVs.
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Post by AnActualBear on Mar 22, 2014 8:16:21 GMT -5
Some more here.
Great American Bash 1999: This event features the aforementioned Sting vs Rick Steiner match, which just ends after Sting is attacked and allegedly eaten by dogs. The match itself is also absolutely horrendous, featuring such things as Steiner moving the mats from ringside, then piledriving Sting onto one of the mats anyway. There's also a series of god awful matches, including The Cat vs Horace Hogan, Van Hammer vs Mikey Whipwreck (in which Mikey botches a stomp...), and Ric Flair vs Roddy Piper. The main event is Randy Savage vs Kevin Nash. It's horrible. Then it ends in a DQ after Sid makes his return and Powerbombs Nash, so you don't even get a finish. Wretched program.
King of the Ring 1999: X-Pac goes all the way to the final despite being legit injured, so all of his matches go about 3 minutes. Billy Gunn: King of the Ring. That went well. Kane and Big Show have an atrocious match which features Kane being choked for 3 minutes and it almost kills the crowd.
Bash at the Beach 1999: There's a Hardcore Battle Royal set on a legit junkyard, which cost the company 6 figures to film and features lighting so bad you can't see what is happening. Then it just ends after Fit Finlay climbs over a fence. Also featured is a Van Hammer vs Rick Steiner that goes 3 minutes but feels like 3 hours, Roddy Piper and Buff Bagwell in a Boxing match which ends after Bagwell pins Piper(?), and the main event is a tag match for the world title that is in slow motion. Randy Savage won but then immediately dropped the title the next night to Hogan, rendering the whole thing pointless.
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Post by dav on Mar 22, 2014 15:19:02 GMT -5
I wasn't. That match is awful. Slow, boring and overhyped as anything as they spend about half the match literally hanging from the cage itself. Just mind-numbingly bad. I've always thought the Cage match was incredibly overrated and couldn't believe Meltzer would give it 5 stars. However, I watched it again this week and saw it in a whole different light. You're right that they spend the majority of the match hanging from the cage, but that's exactly what I enjoyed about it. It's very different than most Cage matches and is a good example of why I don't like when Cage matches can be won via pinball or submission. From the moment the bell rings, Bret and Owen are constantly trying to escape while the other is digging as deep as they can to prevent them from doing so. There are a ton of really close calls and some truly innovative spots I haven't seen in a Cage Match since. While I still don't think it's a 5 star match, I definitely now see the awesomeness of this match. But seriously though; if you think SummerSlam 1994 is the worst PPV ever, then I'm inclined to think you haven't seen many PPVs. The fact is was different was why it was so bad. Just the same spot over and over and over again of them climbing the cage and then coming down slowly. I rate Warrior's cage match against Rick Rude much higher because it had the same story, but was actually exciting and fun to watch, the exact opposite of the Bret and Owen match. And in all seriousness, I've seen plenty of PPV's, from WrestleMania I to the first In Your House to Extreme Rules 2011 and I rate SummerSlam '94 as among the worst of all of them.
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Post by franchisedavis on Mar 22, 2014 17:47:44 GMT -5
Uncensored 1995: Meng and Jim Duggan in a MARTIAL ARTS MATCH. Johnny B.Badd v. Arn Anderson in a "Boxer versus Wrestler match". Randy Savage and Avalanche ends in a DQ after Ric Flair interferes while dressed in drag. This despite the fact the match was billed as no-DQ. There was also of course the famous King of the Road match where Dustin Rhodes and Blacktop Bully both bladed and were fired. They couldn't show the blood either so the match is borderline unwatchable. quote] This was the first PPV I watched when I got the Network. Oh boy, what a treat that whole PPV is just a train wreck but I enjoyed it so much. Uncensored 96 was a real treat too. Giant vs Loch Ness? Mega Powers vs the Alliance to kill Hulkamania in that really strange cage match thing? Its like Hogan and Macho were going thru Omecc's temple as the Red Jaguars but they had to fight in every room instead of finding the lost treasure.
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Post by Shark on Mar 22, 2014 17:58:05 GMT -5
Bash at the Beach 1999: There's a Hardcore Battle Royal set on a legit junkyard, which cost the company 6 figures to film and features lighting so bad you can't see what is happening. Then it just ends after Fit Finlay climbs over a fence. Also featured is a Van Hammer vs Rick Steiner that goes 3 minutes but feels like 3 hours, Roddy Piper and Buff Bagwell in a Boxing match which ends after Bagwell pins Piper(?), and the main event is a tag match for the world title that is in slow motion. Randy Savage won but then immediately dropped the title the next night to Hogan, rendering the whole thing pointless. The funniest part of that too is that they showed the junkyard early in the show in nice bright, filmable daylight. Then they wait like an hour until it's dark to have the match so you can't see anything. It's also shot terrible with camera cuts every 3 seconds and shots from a helicopter so wide you can't see anything. They spent 6 figures on a match where you literally couldn't make anything out!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2014 17:59:58 GMT -5
I'm also going to recommend Uncensored '95. It holds a soft spot in my heart because it was one of the first wrestling PPVs I remember watching, and those were good times, but yeah, it's pretty damn bad.
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Post by madness50 on Mar 22, 2014 20:06:46 GMT -5
I was at that PPV, absolutely atrocious show with a lame ass Wargames match. The only good match was the Raven-Saturn match and I say that mostly because Saturn drove Lodi through a table right in front of me (I was seated in the second row).
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Post by cabbageboy on Mar 22, 2014 22:51:51 GMT -5
To be fair the Raven/Saturn match was quite good. That might (and I mean MIGHT) save it from being Worst PPV Ever.
I don't get the hate for SS 1994. That isn't a bad PPV at all. The main event Taker/Taker match is lame but the rest of the card was pretty solid if I recall. Certainly nowhere near as awful as any of these WCW shows, haha.
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Post by thegame415 on Mar 23, 2014 6:02:37 GMT -5
Most WWF PPVs at the end of 1998.
Breakdown:I believe there were only three advertised matches going into the PPV. The cage match is fun, and the opener of Owen Hart vs Edge is good, but you get treated to classics like Marc Mero vs Droz, Bradshaw vs Vader, D'Lo vs Gangrel and Al Snow/Scorpio vs Too Much
Judgment Day: an awful slow Undertaker vs Kane main event, Mark Henry pinning the Rock, LOD vs DOA again...
RockBottom: the buried alive and WWF title matches are a mess, goldust is involved in a match where he will strip naked if he loses, plus Mark Henry/D'Lo vs Val Venis/Godfather and Headbangers vs the Oddities.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2014 7:15:17 GMT -5
Most WWF PPVs at the end of 1998. Breakdown:I believe there were only three advertised matches going into the PPV. The cage match is fun, and the opener of Owen Hart vs Edge is good, but you get treated to classics like Marc Mero vs Droz, Bradshaw vs Vader, D'Lo vs Gangrel and Al Snow/Scorpio vs Too Much I will always love Breakdown for 2 silly reasons. 1. I simply love the name. 2. In my mind, the theme to the show was the Mariah Carey/Bone Thugs collaboration "Breakdown" that was released that year. It's to the point where there's an image in my mind of a PPV commercial with that song playing, even though I'm fairly sure it didn't happen.
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