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Post by Hugh Mungus on Mar 25, 2014 21:49:56 GMT -5
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 25, 2014 21:50:45 GMT -5
Of course, but a grown man, generally, isn't gonna then become a total strangers ward. Was Dick Grayson in the movie really 26 years old? I mean sure Chris O'Donnell was quite old, but teens being played by 20 something hunks isn't anything new. Probably not, but he's clearly portrayed as a grown adult. Robin as a 15 year-old would have had so much more emotional resonance.
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Post by Danimal on Mar 26, 2014 0:29:54 GMT -5
The origin was good, and Chris did his best, he was just way too old for the role. Like with Gordon's telling Bruce about Dick "he doesn't have anyone now." It loses some of his pathos when Dick is like 26. that was always my big issue. I mean O'Donnell did what he could with what he was given, but he was just too old. I know some people have problems with the child endangerment idea inherent in Dick being a young teen, but he kinda has to be. there's no reason at all for a guy whose clearly at least 20 going to live with Bruce. I'm not saying they should've cast a 12 year old (I always thought Dick being 12 when he started was equally stupid, and I'm glad the New 52 retconned it to him being like 15 or 16) but they really should've made him a teenager. as for the movie, I absolutely hated the look of Gotham in the Schumacher movies. it looked like Mystery Men, for Christ's sake. and Jim Carrey was comically miscast. Riddles aren't supposed to be funny. I think he could've done fine as Joker or something, but that's not who he was playing. and Tommy Lee Jones' Two-face was just a giant middle finger to everything about the character on top of looking ridiculous. I know a lot of the problems with Batman and Robin aren't all on Joel Schumacher, but Batman Forever's problems are all on him. I will give props to Kilmer being a good Batman (lousy Bruce Wayne though). and kudos to Joel Schumacher for getting a good performance out of the guy at a time when he had a rep for being the biggest prick in Hollywood (which was one of the reasons he wasn't asked to come back for Batman and Robin). I wouldn't say he was clearly at-least 20. Didn't look any older than plenty of other actors/actresses that have played teens.
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Post by "Gizzark" Mike Wronglevenay on Mar 26, 2014 14:54:27 GMT -5
Yes, but Batman Returns is just as bad. THANKYOU!
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Post by Beets by Schrute on Mar 26, 2014 22:49:08 GMT -5
To this day, there is no other film that displays the hottness of Nicole Kidman like Batman Forever.
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Post by Sparvid on Mar 26, 2014 23:19:02 GMT -5
I remember listening to the soundtrack quite a lot back in the day.
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Post by Mighty Attack Tribble on Mar 26, 2014 23:47:50 GMT -5
To this day, there is no other film that displays the hottness of Nicole Kidman like Batman Forever. She looked great in Practical Magic IIRC.
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Post by CATCH_US IS the Conversation on Mar 27, 2014 1:40:57 GMT -5
To this day, there is no other film that displays the hottness of Nicole Kidman like Batman Forever. "My place. Midnight."
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Post by kidtamagotchi on Mar 27, 2014 2:14:06 GMT -5
I hated Batman Forever. I was so disappointed when I left the theater, yet everyone else loved it. I hated that Jim Carrey was acting more like the Joker than like Riddler. I felt Chris O'Donnell was too old to be Robin (though me and my friends were amazed at the Dreadnought homage, being huge Kung fu movie fans). I didn't like the story. I just didn't, and still don't like it.
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Post by Famous Rocking Chimes on Mar 27, 2014 5:47:49 GMT -5
That was a time when I enjoyed Jim Carrey as the over-the-top madcap lunatic in basically everything he played. So I liked it then...........but it's not aged well. The camp really stands out more nowadays. I do think the "psychological" parts with Bruce were rather good, though. In those parts you could tell that they were trying to do something serious...but in BATMAN & ROBIN they just tossed everything serious (so much so that the "Alfred dying" subplot was more laughable than not). Also something a lot of people maybe don't remember/realize about BATMAN FOREVER............Tim Burton was a producer on it. I don't think he had much of a major role, but I've always attributed the darker visual elements of that movie to his influence (and the neon to Schumacher). From what I've read it seems that the only thing Burton did was give Joel Schumacher the thumbs up and then he got some money from how much the film made. I was listening to a Now Playing Podcast a few years ago during their Batman retrospective and during the Batman Forever review one of them mentioned that Jack Nicholson put it in his contract for Batman '89 that he get royalties for Batman 2 and 3 (as I'm assumed they were called back then). That's insane if true! Batman Forever was the first superhero movie I ever saw as a kid so I'll always have a soft spot for it, although I did think Val Kilmer was a bit...off as Batman even then. I don't know, I guess Kevin Conroy made an impact on people even at 5 years old. Loved the Riddler though, Jim Carrey as an actor would be a guilty pleasure if I didn't feel guilty about it. I can understand why folk don't like his Riddler though, and I do agree that Two-Face was screwed over in this movie. Whoever decided that every villain has to be like the Joker needs a bump on the noggin.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2014 8:19:32 GMT -5
I'd always heard that about Nicholson, and how the Batman movies (the one he was in and the ones he wasn't) made him VERY wealthy. At least he's always been eager to talk about Batman, though (he was a big part of that Batman retrospective doc when the movies were 1st released on DVD), unlike Keaton who basically swore it all off after Returns.
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Post by andrew8798 on Mar 28, 2014 21:45:25 GMT -5
Never could hate the movie. Also remember there wasn't a day I didn't hear Kiss from a rose. Never got tired of the song
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