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Post by tms on Mar 29, 2014 0:01:08 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really disappointing to see fans who think seeing Punk on tv is more important than his physical and mental health. A very selfish attitude. Yeah because people who don't give a crap that the crybaby left are the selfish ones? I hope that selfish pre-madonna never comes back. A Hogan, Austin, Rock, or hell even Cena that douche will never be. You never Main Evented WrestleMania because frankly more people pay to see Rock and Cena instead of some crybaby drippy wet rag. What the hell is a "pre-madonna"? Seriously...
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 29, 2014 0:05:03 GMT -5
I agree if he comes back, he needs to start over at the bottom. Put over some deserving talents and make them look good, give them a few W's. PROVE that he's really the "voice of the voiceless". The Jericho effect helps no one. The reason people beating Cena/Triple H/Undertaker and all other main eventers is seen as shocking is because they rarely lose. Sure, Triple H doing that for years at a time did cause a lot of issues (racism wins etc) but when Benoit made him tap/Batista dethroned him it meant something. When Daniel Bryan beat Cena in the main event of Summerslam, regardless of the post-match occurrences that was his biggest moment. When CM Punk himself beat Cena twice in a row, that solidified him as a star regardless of the piss poor writing afterwards. Compare the names I mentioned then with names like Rey Mysterio and Randy Orton. They lose so regularly depending on the ill fitting stories they need to be placed in that beating them means sweet FA. Losing and continual writing failure has made them largely nothingy. It's not the winning that matters with the WWE: it's the story that's told. No one wins if they all exchange victories on an equal basis, otherwise Kofi Kingston would be the Master of the Universe. I mean I'm no fan of constant winning in general BUT if you go too far the other way and have Jericho be beaten by everyone bar Master of the Universe Kofi Kingston then...you have someone who has no value in kayfabe terms, and that has an effect on crowd response. Compare Jericho's last comeback to when he left. Still a big nostalgia lovefest but I think people in general realized he wasn't a big deal any more. The better way to build less well established guys is to give them storylines, gimmicks that aren't dropped, and allow them to have an actual personality. I'm sure many lower carders who don't get a shot any more DO have personality, but just like Big E on TV he's not permitted to show it. Smile, do your moves, get out of the ring. Winning and losing honestly matters very little in wrestling now due to the format in the WWE, and the writing within wrestling is often shoddy at best, and both things need to change. Real shit, let em' know.
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Post by Magic knows Black Lives Matter on Mar 29, 2014 0:06:05 GMT -5
Good thing you are over Punk because I'm pretty sure he's over your girl right now.
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Post by ThereIsNoAbsurdistOnlyZuul on Mar 29, 2014 0:14:44 GMT -5
Yeah because people who don't give a crap that the crybaby left are the selfish ones? I hope that selfish pre-madonna never comes back. A Hogan, Austin, Rock, or hell even Cena that douche will never be. You never Main Evented WrestleMania because frankly more people pay to see Rock and Cena instead of some crybaby drippy wet rag. What the hell is a "pre-madonna"? Seriously... The word is primadonna. Not that I support it's use, or really care about it's use, but that's the right word. I wont defend Punk because he doesn't need it. I agree he has been booked like garbage, so I can accept why that contributed, and as I have said if he has fulfilled his end of the contract, then I wont criticize him over leaving. From all accounts that was the case. And it wasn't like he was being utilized in a way that was needed, so oh-bla-deeeee oh-blah-daaaaa-ha.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 2:30:15 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really disappointing to see fans who think seeing Punk on tv is more important than his physical and mental health. A very selfish attitude. Yeah because people who don't give a crap that the crybaby left are the selfish ones? I hope that selfish pre-madonna never comes back. A Hogan, Austin, Rock, or hell even Cena that douche will never be. You never Main Evented WrestleMania because frankly more people pay to see Rock and Cena instead of some crybaby drippy wet rag. Says everyone who's never had to step in the ring +300 days a year. We can't all be John Cena when it comes to longevity.
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Post by Hobby Drifter on Mar 29, 2014 4:35:40 GMT -5
Says everyone who's never had to step in the ring +300 days a year. We can't all be John Cena when it comes to longevity. [/quote] Let's, for the sake of argument, assume that Punk, having fulfilled all the dates in his contract, banged up both mentally and physically, had such a problem with the company's refusal to make clear just how Wrestlemania bonuses were going to be determined, the company's direction as a whole and *his* booking in general, decided that he didn't want to continue working with WWE. First assumption: Punk was/is hurt. That's based on something he said at a comic book convention shortly before the Rumble. If he's hurt, he *should* take time off until he's better. That's true of people in MOST jobs. As it pertains to pro-wrestling, many fans BEG certain guys to take time off to get themselves sorted out. John Cena returns from injury faster than most believe is smart. And every time he does, plenty of fans say things like "He needs to give himself time to heal up or he's going to end up in a wheelchair". Hell, look at Kurt Angle. If backstage photos tell an accurate story, he IS in a wheelchair. But he goes out in front of increasingly small crowds and absolutely destroys his body. This is over a decade after he had some experimental surgery done to his *already broken neck* to keep from having to retire right then and there. And Punk's a guy who has never given anything less than 100% in the ring...and doesn't use any drugs to help get through the pain. And for the mental burn out? Pro-wrestlers don't have the greatest track record with dealing with that. Leaving aside the obvious, Steve Austin made the news when he hit his partner. Lesser reported stories involved X-Pac, Chyna, Matt Hardy, Goldust, Ric Flair, Kurt Angle, and others. So, if Punk, who's as big a student of the game as anybody's ever been, saw the writing on the wall and thought that stepping away from worldwide fame, a likely sizable chunk of money, and perhaps even tainting his legacy was *worth* an acceptable quality of life for himself AND those close to him, then, you know what? One more thing for me to cheer him for.
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Post by TheSchattenjager on Mar 29, 2014 4:37:09 GMT -5
I don't know how many of you people have high pressure jobs, but as someone who does, I understand that sometimes you get so burnt out that it's time to walk away, or at least rest. I once made the mistake of not resting when I needed to, and my job quality suffered a great deal as a result.
He walked out on a contract, which is unfortunate, but sometimes you need to put yourself first, and take care of yourself.
If we are to judge Punk for that, we should also judge the WWE for terminating people's contracts.
I don't. It's business. In the end, everybody puts themselves first.
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Post by Ryushinku on Mar 29, 2014 7:09:29 GMT -5
I'm really ambivalent about it.
If Punk feels he needed the break, then fair enough him taking it. For the partial knowledge I have I don't think he went about it a great way, but that is partial knowledge.
I'm also not missing him from the show at the moment. If he does come back I hope it's with a hot angle and program, because he's been pretty aimless and uninspiring since the Rock loss (during the Rock loss too, you could argue).
I don't get the demonizing of either side. Bad Guy Punk. Bad Guy WWE. Nah.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 8:07:59 GMT -5
Yeah because people who don't give a crap that the crybaby left are the selfish ones? I hope that selfish pre-madonna never comes back. A Hogan, Austin, Rock, or hell even Cena that douche will never be. You never Main Evented WrestleMania because frankly more people pay to see Rock and Cena instead of some crybaby drippy wet rag. What the hell is a "pre-madonna"? Seriously... A Madonna demo collection is called Pre-Madonna believe it or not, so I think CM Punk is working with her on cleaning them up as he's a big fan of the genre of Madonna, all the post-hardcore stuff he claims to like is a cover for his genuine and respectable pop lineage love.
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Post by tms on Mar 29, 2014 8:30:11 GMT -5
What the hell is a "pre-madonna"? Seriously... A Madonna demo collection is called Pre-Madonna believe it or not, so I think CM Punk is working with her on cleaning them up as he's a big fan of the genre of Madonna, all the post-hardcore stuff he claims to like is a cover for his genuine and respectable pop lineage love. I thought it was her work prior to going by the Madonna name. But I guess it's a mute point, because I could care less! (and yes, this is all tongue in cheek)
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Mar 29, 2014 11:02:05 GMT -5
What the hell is a "pre-madonna"? Seriously... A Madonna demo collection is called Pre-Madonna believe it or not, so I think CM Punk is working with her on cleaning them up as he's a big fan of the genre of Madonna, all the post-hardcore stuff he claims to like is a cover for his genuine and respectable pop lineage love. If Eugene Hutz can hit it off with the Queen Of Pop, so can Punk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2014 11:13:48 GMT -5
A Madonna demo collection is called Pre-Madonna believe it or not, so I think CM Punk is working with her on cleaning them up as he's a big fan of the genre of Madonna, all the post-hardcore stuff he claims to like is a cover for his genuine and respectable pop lineage love. I thought it was her work prior to going by the Madonna name. But I guess it's a mute point, because I could care less! (and yes, this is all tongue in cheek) Ah, you are entirely correct there, my pop knowledge is pretty off compared to Phil "Congratulating.Madonna. Punk" Brooks though, so it's understandable I think.
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