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Post by wwfmark on Apr 15, 2014 7:00:05 GMT -5
My thoughts on John Cena.... When he music hits I get pretty pumped up and when his music finishes I change the channel.
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Post by Gimpo Commando on Apr 15, 2014 7:54:20 GMT -5
No one wins when Cena acts that way. Bray didn't look strong with Cena mocking him the way he mocked him on Raw because that shows that after the intense WrestleMania match, that's all Cena thinks of him, some goof he can make fun of. He reduced what Bray did to talk, he isn't afraid of him physically, he isn't afraid of him mentally, and he doesn't respect him enough to keep from mocking his appearance. I've heard some say that these are Cena level mind games, I'm just glad that nothing stuck onto Bray from that. When the crowd started chanting Wendy's at Heath Slater, or when he called Justin Gabriel gay, got a crowd reaction and absolutely no retort from Justin, that stuff can really hurt a character. Only thing is I wish people didn't have to preface what they say about who he is on screen with how good of a person he is out of it. Just because he's a nice guy in real life doesn't mean he isn't a piece of garbage on screen, which is what he is.
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Post by thecrusherwi on Apr 15, 2014 8:00:01 GMT -5
I've defended Cena for a long time and I still really like him as a wrestler and person, but I must admit, when he hits the screen I immediately lose interest. As you all have stated, they don't need his crowd dividing persona when they have actual babyfaces that are over. People have mentioned Wyatt's character being perfect for handling his face pops, but correct me if I'm wrong, I don't remember Wyatt getting these kinds of face pops when he was feuding with the Shield or Daniel Bryan.
Cena is an all time great, but this character's presence in 2014 is tiring, counterproductive, and unwelcome.
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Post by Hit Girl on Apr 15, 2014 8:47:06 GMT -5
I've said time and time again, all insults in wrestling should be disguised compliments.
So if Jesse Ventura said "this guy is a lunatic, I don't like him, he does whatever he wants, he doesn't care about the rules, Jack Tunney needs to suspend or ban him" or words to that effect about the Ultimate Warrior, it allows the heel announcer to express hatred for the performer, while at the same time, getting the guy over as an uncontrollable maniac.
It's different to say JBL calling Daniel Bryan a goat, or a troll, or a farm animal. Those are outright insults, usually unchallenged, which only make the face look stupid.
Instead of smiling and mocking Bray's pants, Cena should be showing fear, but he can't, because he's already beaten the Wyatts. So where's the drama?
What's the purpose of this storyline now? Nothing.
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Post by spagett on Apr 15, 2014 8:57:37 GMT -5
Someone a few days ago wanted me to explain why Cena the character is unlikeable and gets booed all the time.
Stuff like last night is why Cena is hated.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 15, 2014 8:58:13 GMT -5
Personally I think this segment should have happened a lot earlier in the feud.
Have Cena do this like right after Elimination chamber, pretty much the same way with Bray not reacting... then continue in pretty much the same way they went from there.
It still wouldn't have been good but it at least follows a more natural progression... than what we got.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 9:21:03 GMT -5
really? Bray looked pissed at the Sister Abigail photo to me. True, he did look pissed, but he also came up a good response, rather than the usual "sputtering with rage" that Cena's insults illicit from most of the other people he faces.
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Post by The Ichi on Apr 15, 2014 9:50:05 GMT -5
I'm not really trying to defend it, but I think it was WWE realizing he's been too serious lately and that he hasn't made lame jokes in a while. Almost like they're worried the kids will stop liking him.
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Post by khyledeen on Apr 15, 2014 10:08:03 GMT -5
Thanks to you Now I get what I want Since u been gone..... Since u been gone Great song! No one wins when Cena acts that way. Bray didn't look strong with Cena mocking him the way he mocked him on Raw because that shows that after the intense WrestleMania match, that's all Cena thinks of him, some goof he can make fun of. He reduced what Bray did to talk, he isn't afraid of him physically, he isn't afraid of him mentally, and he doesn't respect him enough to keep from mocking his appearance. I've heard some say that these are Cena level mind games, I'm just glad that nothing stuck onto Bray from that. When the crowd started chanting Wendy's at Heath Slater, or when he called Justin Gabriel gay, got a crowd reaction and absolutely no retort from Justin, that stuff can really hurt a character. Only thing is I wish people didn't have to preface what they say about who he is on screen with how good of a person he is out of it. Just because he's a nice guy in real life doesn't mean he isn't a piece of garbage on screen, which is what he is. This 100%
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Post by crashmatsbazz on Apr 15, 2014 10:34:45 GMT -5
i'd love to...just once mind! see a crowd that was dead silent for Cena, i think this is how we break him and the WWE, just keep quiet, he's always crowing on about how he doesn't care if the people boo him or cheer him, well then do neither, they will soon change his character if everyone just shut up.
As for last night, this has been coming for awhile now, a few weeks before Mania Cena tried this and it either didn't work or he got told off back stage for doing it, so he's saved it for after Mania. He had said something about Bray's shirt and being a hobo? anyway, this is where the storyline is going now, weeks of Cena making jokes and the Wyatts taking it, then he will beat them at the next PPV.
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Post by angryfan on Apr 15, 2014 10:39:40 GMT -5
I'm not really trying to defend it, but I think it was WWE realizing he's been too serious lately and that he hasn't made lame jokes in a while. Almost like they're worried the kids will stop liking him. Oddly, I don't think you're far off. There HAS to be a reason to go to the "playground jokes" well after the feud has been so hot, and Cena seems to insist in interviews that he can't ever be heel specifically because of the kids, thus "too serious" could be dancing on that line for them. I've wanted a heel turn but know it won't happen until the kids turn on him, and probably not even then. I'd say, "more character development", but sadly, given the mold, we won't get that either. Hell, WCW did more to try new avenues with Hogan's babyface run than Vince did. As goofy as his "it's not hot" Dungeon of Doom feud or the Hulkster in Black where his mustache was what made him happy or some shit were, they were attempts to do more than just "pose, tear shirt, cup ear, YOU, punch, boot, leg drop, pose, leave". Vince seemingly takes people in the Bruno/Hogan mold (which Cena is in) and puts them in this window where, as a backstop, they have one specific and basic response and nothing more. Hogan had his prays and vitamins, and his "all the little Hulkamaniacs", Cena has jokes that are most common in elementary and middle school, or he has "preacher voice". That's his go to. There is nothing more to his "filler" promos.
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Post by dersulbob on Apr 15, 2014 10:48:13 GMT -5
Cena's promo stood out as a terrible promo this week. There's no question about that. But this used to be a weekly thing, and would be fairly typical of a Cena promo. Those times are gone in my opinion. These days he generally varies from solid to very good on the mic, and he's better than in the ring he's ever been. Yet it seems people are very reluctant to give him any praise when he's good but are so quick to jump all over him when he gives a bad performance (however rare it may be).
I understand that he's not everybody's cup of tea, hell I'm not even a huge fan, but to see this week's promo labelled as the "same old shit" makes me think those saying it haven't been watching for the past three years or so.
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Post by KofiMania on Apr 15, 2014 10:49:04 GMT -5
Glad someone started this thread. This was exhibit A of *why* Cena gets booed so much. It's horrible and lame and makes him look idiotic. We're now entering an era where guys like Bryan and Shield are getting full-on babyface pops and adulation from crowds. So Cena's dumb-assed half and half routine is stale, painful and unnecessary. I really wish WWE would stop going in this direction with his character. I really want to like the guy, but every time he does these promos it makes me want to see his character obliterated. That shouldn't be the mindset anymore. Normally I'd agree with you, but I actually felt that the purpose of last night's segment was to show that Bray won't be bothered by any of the typical Cena cheesy jokes. I think the company has shown how self-aware it is in recent times and is using past "IWC" complaints people have had to build up their new stars. It was obvious in the last couple of months with Bryan and now they're using Cena's corniness and bringing back Evolution to cement Bray and the Shield as main event players.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 10:53:51 GMT -5
Cena's promo stood out as a terrible promo this week. There's no question about that. But this used to be a weekly thing, and would be fairly typical of a Cena promo. Those times are gone in my opinion. These days he generally varies from solid to very good on the mic, and he's better than in the ring he's ever been. Yet it seems people are very reluctant to give him any praise when he's good but are so quick to jump all over him when he gives a bad performance (however rare it may be). I understand that he's not everybody's cup of tea, hell I'm not even a huge fan, but to see this week's promo labelled as the "same old shit" makes me think those saying it haven't been watching for the past three years or so. Cena's promos, whether they're serious or joking, always come off to me as pandering bullshit. It's always either kiddie jokes or "shouting so you can tell I'm serious" stuff about how much he loves that the WWE Universe has an opinion about him. I remember his promo against Orton in the Raw before TLC last year being very good, and I remember he had a very good promo with Bryan leading up to Summerslam, but before that you'd have to go back to the original Punk feud from 2011 to find a single worthwhile promo from him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 11:01:00 GMT -5
I'm not even particularly fond of the Wyatts' act most of the time (yes, I know how that sounds with my avatar, shut up - mostly wanted to experiment with the picture and liked how it came out) but yeah, that segment was pretty infuriating. And after it, if Bray doesn't win at Extreme Rules, his credibility's pretty much shot.
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Post by doinkmark on Apr 15, 2014 11:10:27 GMT -5
I like what they're doing with Cena's character. He's determined to stay a face no matter how many times he's tempted, sometimes literally, to go to the dark side. It makes the babyface character mean that much more, and it will also make Cena's eventual heel turn so much more meaningful when someone, something, finally does break him. You just know he's going to snap one of these days. It's getting harder and harder for him, and the Bray feud is really highlighting that.
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Post by JTH on Apr 15, 2014 11:27:14 GMT -5
It's pretty simple.
If you're not sure how many writers are in WWE, watch John Cena's promo on a weekly basis.
One week, he's wrote funny, the next scared, the next serious, the next happy go lucky, the next determined.
The whole writing team is thrown onto one guy and as result the one guy turns into a Character Russian Roulette.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Apr 15, 2014 11:29:55 GMT -5
It's pretty simple. If you're not sure how many writers are in WWE, watch John Cena's promo on a weekly basis. One week, he's wrote funny, the next scared, the next serious, the next happy go lucky, the next determined. The whole writing team is thrown onto one guy and as result the one guy turns into a Character Russian Roulette. Maybe Cena has Dissociative identity disorder?
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Post by Bang Bang Bart on Apr 15, 2014 11:33:39 GMT -5
I dunno about you, but using "Big Sigh" as an insult made me laugh.
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Post by dersulbob on Apr 15, 2014 11:39:29 GMT -5
Cena's promos, whether they're serious or joking, always come off to me as pandering bullshit. It's always either kiddie jokes or "shouting so you can tell I'm serious" stuff about how much he loves that the WWE Universe has an opinion about him. I remember his promo against Orton in the Raw before TLC last year being very good, and I remember he had a very good promo with Bryan leading up to Summerslam, but before that you'd have to go back to the original Punk feud from 2011 to find a single worthwhile promo from him. But at the same time (and it may just be my memory messing up), I don't remember any categorically bad promo from him in that time frame either, up until last night. The last facepalm-worthy promo of his I remember was when he ran down The Nexus in what, 2010? Since then, and again it may be my memory at fault, I feel he's done a pretty good job, certainly with more good performances than bad. His performances on the mic against Rock, Punk, Bryan and Orton were very good, he even managed to pull off good work against Ryback and Mark Henry. I would say up until this week his work against Wyatt has been good too, really putting him over as a threat. His promo on the go-home to Wrestlemania was a highlight. I guess for me, the problem with Cena especially over the past few years has not been with his promos or with his character, which I suppose comes down to personal preference, but more with the bad booking decisions he's been involved in, like him beating Bray at Wrestlemania.
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