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Post by Sephiroth on Jun 5, 2014 9:17:28 GMT -5
I might add I share the feeling that Dean Malenko could have been more than he ended up being. My main gripe is that WWE was showing at last a half-hearted interest in pushing the lightweight belt at the time, as they had finally take the belt off Gillberg and had guys like Esse Rios, Crash Holly, the Hardy's, and Jerry Lynn competing for it. Putting that belt on Dean was a natural, the man was a cruiserweight innovator. But then having him do nothing with it was pointless.
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Post by Clash, Never a Meter Maid on Jun 5, 2014 9:19:12 GMT -5
Regal How has a guy with such a combination of in-ring talents and charisma being a jobber for much of his career? Drugs.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 5, 2014 9:25:56 GMT -5
Regal How has a guy with such a combination of in-ring talents and charisma being a jobber for much of his career? Drugs. Even before that he should have been a Champion... the GM thing and Kiss My Ass Club stunts were just awful for him...
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Post by Some Guy on Jun 5, 2014 9:31:25 GMT -5
A good chunk of that list either just weren't charismatic enough to get over outside of wrestling skill (Morrison, Benjamin, Ted Jr.), had out of control drug issues (Jannetty, Regal, Kendrick), dealt with injuries (Tazz), just weren't looking to main event in the first place (Ultimo Dragon, Viscera), or just plain weren't good enough to main event (Hassan). It's rare when WWE truly screws up with someone just because they didn't like them. They're nowhere as petty as fans like to imagine. Ok though you have at least a bit of a point with many here (Though again I have to say it wasn't so much about demons and injuries, it's the Gimmicks WWE made them do as well), Hassan isn't one of them.
Hassan got screwed. He was set to go OVER Undertaker at the next PPV, but a Taped Segment on a Smackdown where Masked Guys came out and beat down Taker like a day after a Bomb Explosion completely de-railed Hassan and he never recovered.
That guy was destined to be a Top Heel in WWE, Timing and WWE cutting hi balls off immediately from it (Even though that segment was their decision) ended him.
Hassan was absolute ass in the ring. Daivari is damn good, but having to watch him have dull match after dull match got exhausting after a while.
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Post by Bad Moon on Jun 5, 2014 9:31:33 GMT -5
DDP is the most obvious one. I'm not a huge fan of the guy (only watched bits and pieces of WCW long after it went under) but the guy was a superstar, not in the WWE sense, in the actual sense of the word and they did NOTHING with him.
It's not even a Taz or Janetty situation where the guy was too f***ed up from injuries and/or drugs to be worth a real push, he was still in his prime as a wrestler.
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Post by Clawley Race on Jun 5, 2014 9:32:50 GMT -5
Even before that he should have been a Champion... the GM thing and Kiss My Ass Club stunts were just awful for him... I don't really think those would count as 'before drugs'
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Post by king1836 on Jun 5, 2014 9:37:38 GMT -5
What the hell are Mr Perfect and Tito Santana doing on this list? Legends, but they never won the Big One
And lest we try to forget Mr. Perfects last WWE run... and Tito Santana's Matador Gimmick which may have unintentionally birthed Los Matadores...
Rumor has it that Mr. Perfect was supposed to win the 1990 Royal Rumble but Hulk Hogan vetoed it. I don't understand why. Hogan vs. Warrior at WM6 was going to happen anyway.
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Post by Nickybojelais on Jun 5, 2014 9:46:03 GMT -5
Most of the people on this list either -
1) Played a large part themselves in screwing up their careers. 2) Had a perfectly good career in line with their ability. 3) Never had the requisite talents to be a major star within the company anyway.
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Post by evilhomer on Jun 5, 2014 10:02:08 GMT -5
Ok though you have at least a bit of a point with many here (Though again I have to say it wasn't so much about demons and injuries, it's the Gimmicks WWE made them do as well), Hassan isn't one of them.
Hassan got screwed. He was set to go OVER Undertaker at the next PPV, but a Taped Segment on a Smackdown where Masked Guys came out and beat down Taker like a day after a Bomb Explosion completely de-railed Hassan and he never recovered.
That guy was destined to be a Top Heel in WWE, Timing and WWE cutting hi balls off immediately from it (Even though that segment was their decision) ended him.
It aired the SAME DAY as the London Bombings there was little the WWE could do as the tapes were already sent to the network when it happened... and UPN flat out refused to allow WWE to have the character show up on their channel and I doubt Spike/USA would have wanted him either WWE's original idea was for Hassan to be off television for a while until the heat died down. Hassan said no and quit to become an actor. The thing that most people forget about the Hassan character was that the original idea was for him to be an American; the original vignettes were him saying that he and Divari were just average americans just like all of you. When the "USA" chants started against him, I always wanted him to grab the mic and shout "I'm from Detroit you idiots" or even pull a Honky Tonk Man/Bo Dallas type act and act like the chants were for him. Instead they quickly dropped the American gimmick and just turned him into another standard evil foreigner, then they decided to go with some sterotypical terrorist acts for him and the bad timing killed it all.
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Post by Xxcjb01xX [PIECE OF: SH-] on Jun 5, 2014 10:07:54 GMT -5
Even before that he should have been a Champion... the GM thing and Kiss My Ass Club stunts were just awful for him... I don't really think those would count as 'before drugs' I suppose so
Even so, really sucks for someone like Regal... dude's a true worker.
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Post by Digital Witness on Jun 5, 2014 10:11:53 GMT -5
Regal How has a guy with such a combination of in-ring talents and charisma being a jobber for much of his career? Drugs. Seriously, Regal held himself back from being a several time world heavyweight champion, being the first British world heavyweight champion, and being a multi-millionaire due to drugs. Dude just couldn't stay off the pills at a time when he could have been pushed to the moon. As for DDP and Malenko, I guessed their ages wrong but I still remember that Malenko was wanting to call it a day regardless and DDP had a prettu jacked up back around then. I think Malenko knew at the time that WWE wasn't going to use him in a worthwhile way and took the sweet agent gig after having a little bit of fun first. DDP needed to get out of the business and find a way to get his back into shape to do anything at all. As for Hassan, that was just bad all around timing. There were some rumblings that he wasn't all that passionate about "dis business" but I doubt he was any more or less passionate than the Batistas of the world. Also, people seem to justify the killing of the Hassan character by saying he wasn't a good worker. I call bull on that one. The guy had the gimmick to get easy heat and he managed to take it over the top with his character. I also felt that he was a very underrated hand in the ring. He also had a camel clutch worthy of being a finishing hold, and would have humbled the Undertaker with it had WWE not gone in the direction that they did at the time.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 5, 2014 10:13:00 GMT -5
It aired the SAME DAY as the London Bombings there was little the WWE could do as the tapes were already sent to the network when it happened... and UPN flat out refused to allow WWE to have the character show up on their channel and I doubt Spike/USA would have wanted him either WWE's original idea was for Hassan to be off television for a while until the heat died down. Hassan said no and quit to become an actor. The thing that most people forget about the Hassan character was that the original idea was for him to be an American; the original vignettes were him saying that he and Divari were just average americans just like all of you. When the "USA" chants started against him, I always wanted him to grab the mic and shout "I'm from Detroit you idiots" or even pull a Honky Tonk Man/Bo Dallas type act and act like the chants were for him. Instead they quickly dropped the American gimmick and just turned him into another standard evil foreigner, then they decided to go with some sterotypical terrorist acts for him and the bad timing killed it all. I do agree that the USA chants were absolutely stupid as he never really insulted America the country from what I remember... mostly he just insulted the people But I always thought original gimmick was pretty blatantly "You all hate me because you're racist and not because I'm a jerk." Even the first vignette Hassan was using a pretty hostile tone towards the audience. Also the idea behind the poor timed angle had a spin by Hassan the week afterwards that was only shown on the internet so most people missed it. Basically Hassan went into a tirade that everyone were calling them Arabs in ski masks... and how the hell would you know what their ethnicity was if they were in ski masks you racists... and even if they were you're assuming they're terrorists because of their race.
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Post by Bo Rida on Jun 5, 2014 10:13:55 GMT -5
Scotty Goldman as he was never given a real chance, at least most of the others were given something memorable to do, even Ohno got a fued with Regal and he didn't even make it to the main roster, poor Colt got absolutely nothing.
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Post by berlynwright on Jun 5, 2014 10:17:44 GMT -5
DDP - the story he had was awesome (people's champion feud with the Rock), but he was saddled in the stalking angle. It was doomed to fail. Why would anyone stalk Sara when they have Kimberly at home? not to mention they did everything to bury him when the fans loved him. His debut was stuffs of legends, came out on bike with huge boos and when he unmasked himself, he had massive cheers
Vader - Michaels ruined his main event run, but the amount of jobs he did was unacceptable
Sin Cara - Ok this one 100% Mistico's fault, but this guy was Mexico's greatest draw ever. They could have marketed him better, but failed to do so.
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Post by A Platypus Rave on Jun 5, 2014 10:21:57 GMT -5
DDP - the story he had was awesome (people's champion feud with the Rock), but he was saddled in the stalking angle. It was doomed to fail. Why would anyone stalk Sara when they have Kimberly at home? not to mention they did everything to bury him when the fans loved him. His debut was stuffs of legends, came out on bike with huge boos and when he unmasked himself, he had massive cheers And as I said in an earlier post he was also the only (or one of the I forget) guy(s) to opt out of his big money guaranteed contract with Turner
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Post by Zombie Mod is not a ghoul. on Jun 5, 2014 10:40:28 GMT -5
I'd love to vote regal on this but he's done some of the damage to his own career by drugs (the original run of his in wwe ended due to drugs, the second run was cut short due to effects of drugs, the whole enlarged heart leading to hospitalisation.) getting himself clean and healthy and getting a 3rd run & decent push only to have it halted by being wellnessed. and having a 4th shot to wind down his career onscreen.
he'll be one to have a job for life in the company if he wants it and doesn't screw up.
but I'd probably go with either ddp or colt, neither really got a good chance to begin with.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2014 11:06:14 GMT -5
Elijah Burke should have been a star SOMEWHERE.
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Post by RIHT on Jun 5, 2014 11:34:43 GMT -5
I would have put MVP or Mr. Kennedy on the poll, considering they were believed to be the next Rock and Stone Cold by many and the future of wrestling.
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Post by Gummydavidson on Jun 5, 2014 12:03:39 GMT -5
Raven
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Post by evilhomer on Jun 5, 2014 12:06:35 GMT -5
DDP - the story he had was awesome (people's champion feud with the Rock), but he was saddled in the stalking angle. It was doomed to fail. Why would anyone stalk Sara when they have Kimberly at home? not to mention they did everything to bury him when the fans loved him. His debut was stuffs of legends, came out on bike with huge boos and when he unmasked himself, he had massive cheers Besides of course from the obvious of getting squashed in every match and made to look like an inept, impotent joke, having him continue to stalk Sara was what pissed me off the most. DDP ended the whole stalker angle in his first promo, saying how he was just here to make himself (even more) famous, and that poking the big dog was the best way to accomplish that. It looked like it was just going to be a standard wrestling fued. Then he's suddenly the stalker again, utterly obsessed with Sara.
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